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mintycactus, in Using Fedora Atomic is like...
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  • Pantherina,

    Uhm I do, daily since a year or so.

    Most apps are slim, but needing 8 runtimes or so is nothing rare at all.

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  • Pantherina,

    Yes I have do the same, layer small packages, use Flatpaks and complex stuff like (R + rstudio + COPR + Modules) or (QGis + grass + python + plugins) or IDEs in a distrobox.

    At least in Distrobox you can also create rootful containers which could run an entire DE, or run libvirtd in there and use virt-manager in a rootless box, connected over ssh. Totally works but its a bit complicated. But for software with systemd or USB access this is needed.

    Flatpaks share libraries, but they are sometimes not packaged well, contrary to distro packages, which on the other hand may pull in loots of dependencies.

    Would be interesting to run all packages in a rootful distrobox and have Fedora RPMs on the other hand.

    There are some hardening problems though, that I dont really understand, with user namespaces being blocked in the hardened kernel. On Arch there is bubblewrap-suid which fixes that in a way I also dont understand yet, but Podman, Distrobox, Toolbox, Docker etc dont work yet, and may not work too.

    Endorkend, in big deal
    @Endorkend@kbin.social avatar

    Well, the kernel is Linux and the OS is whatever the distribution or special purpose is called.

    There is a distinction as Linux is used in far more than operating systems and at times is run with just the kernel and an application, with no possible interface between any user and application.

    Problem is that most Linux desktop users have fuck all clue what Linux is all used for and wouldn't know how to interface with 99% of all the linux running devices on the planet.

    badmemes,

    But is that really a problem?

    Endorkend,
    @Endorkend@kbin.social avatar

    Yeah, since you can also use a different Kernel and end up with something that looks like a Linux distribution, anyone who has ever used common Linux distributions is instantly familiar with, while definitely not being Linux.

    quantenzitrone, in Pick wisely

    hail satan😈

    Evil_Shrubbery, in Pick wisely

    I’ll run them both in VMs on my Hanna Montana Linux

    s_s, in Pick wisely

    Scoobuntu the only scooby-doo based desktop distribution.

    Resol, in Can you install thid 25 year old program?
    @Resol@lemmy.world avatar

    Windows: nope, too old. Find a version that’s compatible with your current installation.

    Trust me, I tried playing some old CD games from my dad’s shed on Windows 10 for such a long time, it wouldn’t even let me do that without having to rely on a virtual machine. Most of those games were in French and German, btw.

    Dicska,

    I mean, I kind of understand with Heroes of Might and Magic 1 or Prehistorik 2 or something. But heck, even Guitar Hero 3 is impossible to install and play on Windows 10.

    Resol,
    @Resol@lemmy.world avatar

    I originally thought the games were for some reason DOS based (then why are they made for Windows then?), but no. Windows just hates old games.

    I even tried compatibility mode, no dice.

    Hiro8811, in Distros bad

    I’m to lazy to do my homework. Can anyone explain what’s wrong with Ubuntu?

    neonred, (edited )

    Ubuntu is a product of Canonical which are a pretty evil corporation and a submarine of Microsoft. What they don’t leech off Debian is proprietay and lock-in.

    Hiro8811,

    I’ll look into it. Thanks for the heads-up

    MalReynolds,
    @MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

    remember, do not feed the trolls… That said, snaps suck vs flatpak or appimage.

    dejected_warp_core, (edited )

    As a commercial OS, it’s fine. LTS releases, great headless experience, and dependency graph that is progressive but not as frozen in time as RedHat.

    As an end-user OS, the dizzying number of ways to get usable apps into the GUI cut deep against advanced users. Especially when advanced use cases smash into incompatibilities and easy-to-make mistakes that break stuff. But if you’re willing to rock a lot of defaults and just slap things together from the package manager, it works okay.

    neshura,
    @neshura@bookwormstory.social avatar

    Not too deep in that conversation but afaik it’s a series of choices that just continuously make Ubuntu less usable.

    from what I “know” it seems to be mostly:

    • the baffling decision to keep riding the dead Snap train instead of the now widespread Flatpak one.
    • some drama around them switching from Gnome 2 -> Own Desktop -> Gnome 3 and related decisions, not sure what the problems there were but apparently a lot of people didn’t like it.
    • some stuff about telemetry, not sure how relevant this is currently but I heard some people complain about it.

    Again, not really sure that’s it but it’s what I recall hearing here and there.

    vox, (edited )
    @vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

    and they’re using gnome 40+ now, but gnome 40 is actually great, unlike gnome 3

    Hiro8811,

    What distro would you suggest? I abandoned windows 10 for Ubuntu but it didn’t grew on me. I know Linux Mint is friendlier but I thought giving Ubuntu a try

    neonred,

    Chris Titus Tech - The Linux Tier List

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyADkmRVe0U

    neshura, (edited )
    @neshura@bookwormstory.social avatar

    Depends on your use case honestly. Do you play a lot of games? If so I would recommend against stable distros like Mint. Without knowing more I’d probably say:

    • Mostly Browsing or Work in Office Editors: Linux Mint or Kubuntu since Updates are stable and generally don’t break anything.
    • A lot of gaming: Arch via Archinstall or ArcoLinux (ArcoLinux is imo a bit more confusing while getting the image file, after it is superior to ArchInstall for newbies because the installer is a bit more familiar) since you’ll benefit from a shortened update cycle. The drawback here is that occasionally (or often depending on what you install) updates break things.

    Edit: Also a general recommendation: Stick to Windows-like Desktops for the beginning, these are (to my knowledge) XFCE and more prominently KDE Plasma. It will save you the additional task of getting used to your desktop environment while you get familiar with how Linux “works” as your main OS.

    Hiro8811, (edited )

    I played around with Kali(I know I know) and raspberry pi for a bit and I got the hang of it a bit. Think I’ll go with Mint on one drive for school and such and on the other drive Arch for gaming. Thank you for your time.

    neshura, (edited )
    @neshura@bookwormstory.social avatar

    Think I’ll go with Mint on one drive for school and such and on the other drive Arch for gaming

    Nothing exactly wrong with that but I don’t think you’ll need the extra layer of separation. Most Apps on Mint should be available Arch as well and run generally as Bug free as on Mint (Edit: a “graphical” representation of what level of Bugginess you can expect: Many Bugs > Some Bugs > Few Bugs > Windows 10 (personal experience) > Arch Linux > Almost no Bugs > Linux Mint > No Bugs). Not splitting the OS would save you some hassle (for example after school work is done you can start gaming faster as well as simpler disk partitioning) on the other hand depending on yourself it might offer advantages (can’t get as easily distracted from schoolwork with games if you have to reboot the PC for it)

    Hiro8811,

    I know that you apps are available across distributions but I wanted to use a stable distro for school that I trust not to brake and another one where I can experience and customize without worrying to much about breaking it.

    neshura,
    @neshura@bookwormstory.social avatar

    as I said nothing wrong with it, just wanted to add some info in case the decision was made based on some misunderstanding. If you think that’s the best fit for you go for it

    Hiro8811,

    I’m not yet sure but I’ll try them out. Thank you for taking the time

    neonred,

    Debian sid is just as fresh and a (nearly) rolling release distribution. I game on it with Wine, Cyperpunk, X4, Baldur’s Gate and others are no problem.

    neshura,
    @neshura@bookwormstory.social avatar

    Didn’t know about that, would go into the same category as Arch then.

    AbsurdityAccelerator, in Distros bad

    Does this work the other way? Can I pick a disto based on my preferred method? I mostly drip brew, using the aeropress occasionally, but dream about having a fancy espresso setup.

    Grass,

    The only aeropress users I know are Mac people

    MisterD, in Distros bad

    What’s Windows? Instant coffee with cuddled cream

    criticon,

    Burnt coffee from an industrial coffee maker

    Zorque,

    Windows is Hot Cocoa. It's comforting and warm, but not really what you're wanting right now. And probably not great for you.

    merc,

    I think Windows is hot chocolate from an instant packet where you just add hot water.

    It’s objectively pretty bad, it’s definitely not coffee, but it’s easy to make, and you get the same standard thing every time.

    EuroNutellaMan,
    @EuroNutellaMan@lemmy.world avatar

    No that would be Linux Mint (comforting and warm part anyways). Windows would be a coffee ad

    zalgotext,

    Windows would be coffee from a national chain, but when you take the lid off, there’s an ad under it, there’s an ad on the side of the cup, and at the very bottom of the cup there’s an ad that you don’t see until you’ve drank all the coffee. Oh and it comes with cream and sugar by default, even if you prefer it black. It also comes with ads for a subscription to a cream and sugar delivery service.

    PlexSheep,

    Windows is having coffee delivered. It’s cold since days now.

    Tattorack, in Distros bad
    @Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

    I hate coffee, I drink tea, and I use Ubuntu.

    What now?

    dustyData,

    It’s ok, Ubuntu breaks if you actually try to use it to make coffee, and when you try to service it you find mold and sludge in the pipes.

    xePBMg9,

    I’m a tea enthusiast as well. I run arch and only have an idea of what I’m doing half the time.

    devfuuu, (edited )

    I see there’s a lot of tea enthusiasts who use arch around. Maybe there’s something to explore here. I drink tea btw.

    Bye,

    I can’t have caffeine and I use ubuntu

    Checkmate

    Voyajer,
    @Voyajer@lemmy.world avatar

    You use the tea Keurig pods

    Donkter, in Distros bad

    What if I pour the grounds and water directly into the cup and just drink around them?

    ichmagrum,

    Damn, I used to do that. I think I used Windows 7 at the time …

    Pantherina,

    Tails.

    No installation, leaves no traces.

    bg10k,
    @bg10k@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Temple OS

    Bishma, (edited ) in It does Sound stupid
    @Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    When I am emperor of earth, recursive acronyms will be outlawed. Start prepping now.

    Arthur_Leywin, (edited )

    YAML is running for its life

    Bishma,
    @Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    YAML will be granted a grace period as a recursive acronym, but as punishment they must remove the questionable contraction and will henceforth be YANML.

    CapeWearingAeroplane,

    WINE would like a word

    Bishma,
    @Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    WINE is the biggest offender. They shall be forced to forever de-acronym!

    voodooattack,

    But you’ll be the EMPEROR, and the EMPEROR Must Please Emerging Renegades Of Recursiveness.

    Moshpirit, in Damn...
    @Moshpirit@lemmy.world avatar

    I would like to add: old as old Manjaro forum. There are many issues that seemed to be solved there but there is no way to get to it.

    Samsy,

    To my defence, I didnt know there are old and new. I dont use arch based distros anymore but searching an error, which could be on any distro, there are different kind of Websites which discuss the error. if I could sort them it would look like this:

    1. mailinglists (good described, but you know, you are fucked)
    2. arch wiki
    3. stack overflow
    4. reddit (solution got deleted)
    5. a clickbait guide (you realise your problem was dumb)
    6. arch forum (you read about people dumb like you, getting virtual killed)
    7. manjaro forum (try reinstall)
    Exec,
    @Exec@pawb.social avatar

    I not too long ago ran into a kernel issue that was posted on the day I’ve set up my first arch install. Thus, the #1 result when searching for the bug was the arch forums and the issue was resolved about two weeks later.

    Moshpirit,
    @Moshpirit@lemmy.world avatar

    Don’t worry, I didn’t even know it was your meme haha :)

    Oisteink, in The most secure OS named windows

    Looking at Kenny most Linux users seems to be clueless fanboys

    AtmaJnana,

    I think they’re probably just young and enthusiastic. I was like that about linux 20 years ago when I had the energy for it.

    recapitated,

    I would argue most Linux users have no clue they’re Linux users.

    neshura, (edited )
    @neshura@bookwormstory.social avatar

    Depends on how you categorize “Linux” User, if you include anything running a Linux Kernel as “Linux” then the vast majority have no clue they’re using Linux.

    jdaytona, in Just because it’s better than windows doesn’t make it good

    snow leopard was damn near perfect, then they fucked it up

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