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018118055, in happy 1_700_000_000 everyone!

I’ve been using Linux since 1996 and remember when time_t was less than a billion. I guess I’ve found a new way to date myself. Slightly interestingly I thought, 1 billion was a couple of days before 9/11 which some have said defines the modern era or epoch.

Rustmilian, (edited ) in I am THIS close to joining the Chromium monopoly gang
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

Have you tried firefox-nightly?
Also, chat.mozilla.org

grue,

Firefox nightie? What, did new merch just drop?

Sonotsugipaa, (edited )
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I wasn’t planning on installing another browser (ignore the post’s title), and joining a Matrix chat for technical help is the last thing I would do due to me being socially awkward…

I appreciate the advice though

ryannathans,

My brother it’s a matrix chat not a public speaking event

Aabbcc, in happy 1_700_000_000 everyone!

Had to explain Unix time to my friends when I sent them a picture of 1696969420

smeg, in I am THIS close to joining the Chromium monopoly gang

You could definitely have raised a bug report in the time it took you to make this

Sonotsugipaa,
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I cannot even determine the culprit, to whom am I supposed to file a bug report?

jbk,

At bugzilla.mozilla.org maybe? Or just look up “firefox report bug” online, I guess

Sonotsugipaa,
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I don’t know if Firefox is at fault. It could be Firedragon (the fork I’m using), it could be any of the desktop portals messing things up (looking at you, xdg-desktop-portal-gtk), it could be Arch Linux due to how packagers package each portal, it could be that I stepped on a landmine by switching from Sway to Hyprland - this is when the problem first occurred.

Firedragon’s (and the Firefox flatpak’s) output doesn’t say anything, nothing stands out in their logs, same goes for both Sway and Hyprland - for all I know XDG portals don’t even have standalone logs, they just dump error messages to stdout in my experience (which, again, have not been dumped).

I could send bug reports to everyone, and get told “this isn’t our problem, write a bug report to ${OTHER_SOFTWARE}”. But then, which logs do I provide? All of them? Sure, I can gather up logs and non-existent messages from several pieces of software, one of them being a glorified API.

It would have taken me a good hour to find the relevant data, find the correct places to write reports to, word things in a quasi-professional manner, all for a small chance for any of the developers of something to answer something that is not a variation of “can’t help you bro, your logs are anorexic”.

So, after reminiscing the days of writing Windows registry keys and seeing no results (by writing XDP hints all over the system AND rebooting), I took 10 minutes to vent and make a meme - NoScript was intefering with imgflip, otherwise I would have needed 3.

I could not, in fact, definitely have raised a bug report in the time it took me to make this.

FangedWyvern42,
@FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world avatar

Firedragon is a fork of Librewolf (which is a fork of Firefox), not Firefox. It’s not Firefox at fault.

Sonotsugipaa, (edited )
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Case in point

(although Firefox (the Firefox Firefox) also refused to work)

Rednax,

The peak linux experience.

Sonotsugipaa,
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Odd, that’s exactely what my friends tell me when I’m playing BG3 and a bug causes me to get stuck in dialogue (in a Windows 10 VM)

Voyajer,
@Voyajer@lemmy.world avatar

Why in a VM?

Sonotsugipaa,
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Because I’m not installing that thing on bare metal

nogrub,

does bg3 not run on proton ?

wingsfortheirsmiles,

Idk whether Proton or natively but no issues at all running it on Pop

Sonotsugipaa, (edited )
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It does, but the Steam DRM bypassing thing that I’m being peer-pressured into using does not

(not that I’m against buying good games like BG3, it’s just that I’m not going to spend 70€ on a game that is just not my type (plus, there’s peer pressure going on here))

paraphrand,

I hate not knowing if my bug report is valid.

PlatinumSf,

Perhaps an invalid opinion, but a bug report that falls outside of scope because of lack of detail or lack of reproduction is still a valid bug report for metrics and general user experience imo. Could lead to interoperability efforts, user experience recommendations, user education utilities, or a bug getting patched but the end result is always the same: a better experience for the end user.

jbk,

In that case you could maybe see if it works correctly for you in firefox installed via flatpak from flathub. Those are official builds and bug reports on them should go to Mozilla directly.

It could be related to hyprland though. I think I read somewhere that one of those lightweight WMs (or whatever it really is idk sry lol) doesn’t ship a portals config file for x-d-p to exactly know which exact implementation to use. Maybe arch doesn’t have that issue though

Sonotsugipaa,
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I’ve read through all the possible bug reports and forum help requests, and used the flatpak Firefox at every point I tried a solution.

In the end I managed to solve the problem, though I’m sure it’ll pop back out at some point.

nullpotential,
@nullpotential@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I stepped on a landmine by switching from Sway to Hyprland

That’s 100% what it is. Changing desktop environments has almost always led to issues in my experience. If you want to use a different DE, make a new user account or reinstall the distro.

Sonotsugipaa,
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It turned out not to be the problem, I just incidentally changed other stuff while doing it

cm0002,

Careful, the FF community here hates it when you point out faults in their “perfect” browser

Redjard,
@Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I disagree.
Some months ago I had weird behavior with compose sequences, I went on the ff c, made a post on it, and there was a fruitfull discussion leading to pinning it on gtk doing compose sequences weirdly. No hate was experienced.

Flaky,
@Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

I’ve noticed what that person is saying outside of the Firefox community, the evangelism and all, and then criticism of Firefox and more specifically Mozilla’s actions in the Firefox community. Case in point, someone laying down the issues with the upcoming Fakespot integration.

lntl,

gecko good, blink bad

smeg,

Everyone involved, worst case they just close them

Sonotsugipaa, (edited )
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

As I said in another other comment to someone else, there is a quite noticeable difference in effort between typing sentences on imgflip and hunting bugs.

ChaoticNeutralCzech,

Well, you’ve determined a major part of what’s causing it. There is not much more to add, just submit what you have.

Sonotsugipaa,
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The only thing I can correctly report is that the termfilechooser portal causes something to die somewhere at some point - it never even worked in the first place.

It’s above my 0$/h paygrade at this point

nogrub,

“works on my machine” closes bugreport

Octopus1348,

root

nogrub,

sudo bugreport “plz fix”

indepndnt,

This incident has been logged.

Sonotsugipaa,
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Great, I can use that to report the error to every single contributor and packager of my 1802 installed packages!

lntl,

this is so much better though

ininewcrow, in If linux distros were WW2 tanks. Made by a guy who tries to play War Thunder with linux.
@ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

Hannah Montana Linux is a 1943 Willys Jeep painted pink with a bubble gun on top and a really loud sound system blasting ‘Party In The USA’

palordrolap, in happy 1_700_000_000 everyone!

Fun fact: If your shell is Bash or supports the same feature(s), date technically isn't needed; printf '%(%s)Tn' works the same.

Yes, that is a date/strftime-style percent escape inside a specific parenthetical printf percent escape.

bleistift2, (edited ) in I am THIS close to joining the Chromium monopoly gang

My package manager has 400+ updates, but I can’t install them because some packages are conflicting, and I don’t have the willpower to untangle that mess.

I use arch btw. I use the arch-derivative Manjaro, btw.

Severalkittens,

I ran into this on Manjaro today too. Definitely don’t have the capacity to sort it right now

bleistift2,

Yay, I’m not alone. :'D

ares35,
@ares35@kbin.social avatar

have a manjaro desktop (with cinnamon) at the office that gets used daily. haven't seen this here.

bleistift2,

The issue probably depends heavily on the installed software and might surface for some while others don’t have it.

Severalkittens,

It looks like it’s a bunch of conflicts with kde stuff

breakcore,

Same - it is probably why I will change soon. Manjaro has been a bit too flaky I think. Still nice, but annoying with things like this.

Holzkohlen,

Join us in glorious GarudaLinux land. I swear they don’t pay me to shill this distro every other day.

Sonotsugipaa,
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

First time?

jdk-openjdk vs jre-openjdk? archlinux.org mentions it, although the workaround it provides is fake news and also results in pacman complaining about conflicts.

I just removed stuff, abused pacman --nodeps and prayed that my backups would be sufficient to restore my inevitable fuckup (no fuckup happened, somehow). Try that at your own risk though…

bleistift2, (edited )

I think I’ll just switch to something more user-friendly again. When I installed Manjaro, I thought I liked tinkering. But since then I’ve started working and just want to get home to a functioning computer.

I appreciate the effort, though.

Sonotsugipaa,
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Arch and Manjaro tend to have that effect on people, it’s understandable

amanneedsamaid,

I feel this, Fedora filled the gap for me. I needed more current software, but if that isn’t a priority Debian is amazing.

SexualPolytope, (edited )
@SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Manjaro nowadays has become a hassle. It used to be really solid around 5-6 years ago. I had it for 3+ years. Then it started breaking a lot. I switched to EndeavourOS 1.5 years ago, been solid since. The jre/jdk issue was pretty painless to deal with as well.

bleistift2,

The jre/jdk issue was pretty painless to deal with as well.

What’s driving me away is that I have to deal with it at all. The command just fails and leaves you to google the solution. That’s annoying and unnecessary.

I know now that Manjaro isn’t the OS for me if I’m not willing to do that.

pascal,

If you like to tinker but still have some consistency, I’d suggest gentoo. It’s been really solid for the last 16 years for me.

aniki,

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  • Sonotsugipaa,
    @Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    It says to use pacman -Syu jdk-openjdk to automatically remove jre-openjdk, which didn’t happen

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  • Sonotsugipaa,
    @Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I’ve solved that problem days ago, I’m more afraid of XDG Portals than Arch Linux being Arch Linux

    yanyuan,

    Just join the kubuntu gang. Maybe you’ll lose your pride and self-respect, but it’s a simple life.

    Sonotsugipaa, (edited )
    @Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I don’t want the easy life, if I wanted the easy life I would have bought a macbook for programming and kept Windows with default settings for gaming.

    Besides, Kubuntu was my first AND third distro.

    … and I have no self respect whatsoever. Nor pride.

    nogrub, (edited )

    i just updated jdk-openjdk by it self then did the system update and it worked (endevaros/i3)

    Sonotsugipaa, (edited ) in I am THIS close to joining the Chromium monopoly gang
    @Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Addendum: I reinstalled the GTK portal because I was desperate, now I can’t even use that UX abomination because who the

    
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    knows

    (As it turns out, the cause was a previous attempt to get xdg-desktop-portal-termfilechooser to work - I’m just going to sneak this edit in here and go die in a corner or something)

    Zaphod,

    Ah yes, something being broken because of your previous attempt to fix it.
    That’s a certified classic.

    Sonotsugipaa,
    @Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    It’s not even that, I wanted to try using Ranger as the file chooser because Dolphin would freeze up if it ended up in a tmpfs mount point… which I can deal with if the only alternative is the default GTK file chooser.

    balancedchaos,

    My recent DNS issue agrees with you. smh

    TeamBrett, in happy 1_700_000_000 everyone!

    I imagine all timestamps are rare. I.e only one exists of each until there is a rollover.

    Gork, in happy 1_700_000_000 everyone!

    Nothing existed prior to January 1, 1970.

    It is known.

    PlasticExistence,

    It is known.

    TimeSquirrel,
    @TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar

    From the atomic age into the information age. That date is a good marker.

    ininewcrow,
    @ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

    *Disinformation Age

    The Information Age appeared for a brief moment and went straight into the Disinformation Age

    018118055,

    End of universe, 2038.

    jeena, in happy 1_700_000_000 everyone!
    @jeena@jemmy.jeena.net avatar

    Hooray we did it!

    bamboo, in happy 1_700_000_000 everyone!

    What shell is this that it outputs the duration after exiting the loop? Looks nifty.

    lemmesay, (edited )
    @lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    it’s starship. you should check it out if you don’t have a handcrafted prompt.

    edit: shell is bash. just with a custom prompt in .bashrc.

    konalt, in happy 1_700_000_000 everyone!
    @konalt@lemmy.world avatar

    Cutting it a bit close there.

    lemmesay,
    @lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    yes lol. became anxious fearing I’d miss it and hence made typos :')

    RAM, in happy 1_700_000_000 everyone!

    🥳🥳🥳

    fl42v, in Unix &lt; GNULinux &lt; GNUHurd

    Huh, so that’s why Hurd doesn’t work? They just expected it to run on some alien tech?

    BigBlackCockroach, (edited )
    @BigBlackCockroach@lemmy.world avatar
    jmcs,

    The first response to the latest release is Everything’s broken (was: Debian GNU/Hurd 2023 released!) and they pretty much beg you to only run it in a VM. So we can safely assume it’s going to be stable until the end of the year.

    palordrolap,

    "Everything's broken" / "only run it in a VM". Where have I heard that before? Oh yes. ReactOS.

    Totally different OS project with some remarkable similarities, apparently.

    ReactOS has a head start. Who will win?

    Popcorn, anyone?

    (But seriously, I'd very much like both to do well.)

    BigBlackCockroach, (edited )
    @BigBlackCockroach@lemmy.world avatar

    Sometimes you got to take a leap of faith 🫣🐂🐃🦬 🤣

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/22/1411385475199_wps_86_PIC_BY_LAURENT_RENAUD_AND.jpg

    postscript : the guy who said everything was broken, seemed to just have had a broken filesystem, ironically the advantages of a microkernel like hurd led to him even being able to boot without a kernel panic() 🤯 🤔

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