THE_PACK IS SOMEWHERE ON LEMMY BROTHER. SORRY I COULDN’T TELL YOU HOW TO FIND IT, MY DIAL-UP IS NOT CRANKING MY HOG. IF YOU CAN’T FIND THE PACK, THE PACK WIL FILL FIND YOU ARRRROOOOOOO
How else can it be done? Any attempt to convert images or text into ASCII art automatically looks at best uninspired and boring and at worst like trash.
That’s exactly what I’m saying. Using pre-made characters looks cheap. Good enough for a 13-year-old’s geocities website, not good for something pretty.
If I were to start my own fast food business, I would make my food cheap as fuck and deliberately target locations that have:
A sixth form or university campus nearby. Students are a big market.
Nearby pubs or nightclubs. Doesn’t have to be a city centre, could be a local high street. The main intent would be to target the late night crowd.
People care about speed, cost and not eating something that will give them food poisoning, not gourmet food. The luxury market is oversaturated and we have anything but the luxury to do that often.
Also, if it’s a sufficiently large eat-in location like a diner, maintaining toilet facilities that don’t look like they’ve been vandalized is important too.
I hate how this society has turned something as deeply emotional as cooking and turned it into a factory farm where people think burgers and hot dogs just magically appear with fairy magic.
They usually aren’t happy when I take a shit inside our local food trucks. They keep telling me it’s unsanitary but I always insist that a restaurant must allow its patrons fair use of their toilet facilities.
Check out how successful Dick’s is in Washington. They have so many locations now. Their first location was Wallingford, Seattle. It’s about a 1 mile walk from the U district, where a lot of the college kids hang out. Now, Dick’s has a location in most major districts of Seattle, mostly around bars, and even outside of Seattle. They are cheap ($2.50 for a cheeseburger) and super fast because they don’t do customizations with a limited menu. Mostly window only walk up pick up, no dine in (except for the one outside the hockey stadium, but it’s standing only).
To be fair tho I live in Chicago and there’s 2 of these places by me. But there’s another 2 that I can get a loaded combo with fries and a drink for about $10 USD and it’s always fresh and delicious.
No link but American wild burger, the one in the city shut down apparently but there’s still one in the suburbs. Add bacon cheese and BBQ sauce and you’re at a little over $20 for a burger with no fries.
If you go to Google maps and just type burgers and filter price $20+ or $30+ there are plenty burger bars that will match that criteria.
This post isn’t about fast food places. It’s about overpriced local shops that sprung up in the formerly “bad” part of town and are run usually by <30 year olds with no business experience. Give me your hometown and I promise I can find one of them online for you to go to
It was messy, but I still loved it. Them my body spontaneously became allergic to eggs. A tragic loss to my taste buds, especially since a lot of the Asian foods I love like to include eggs (Ramen, fried rice, Omurice, Kimbap, oyakodon, etc etc).
Same. They’re both perfectly valid opinions. If it’s 4 in the afternoon and I want a burger before a night of hard drinking, keep your damn egg to yourself. If it’s 4 in the morning after a night of hard drinking, a runny yolk on a greasy bacon breakfast burger is just what the doctor ordered. But for me hard fried or scrambled just don’t feel right.
Yeah, honestly sounds like something you’d try when you have no shame. Not that I’m judging, just there’s a certain low you have to sink to to be the first one to try that…
Because he’s some provincial jackass who thinks anything outside of his personal norm is an unjust and unfair imposition on his right to act as if his experiences are the only thing that dictate what reality is.
He’s the same kind of circus clown that gets angry when you correct him on a factual matter, or on grammar, or if you criticize a popular movie he likes.
He and people like him are extremely self-centered, arrogant, know-it-all crybullies who think they are smart because they are adults. They are clearly not.
I told the server that I couldn’t eat it, so she took my plate off the table and slapped the bill down in front of me, charging me for it without offering any alternatives while my lunch mates slowly enjoyed their good burgers and I got to sit there watching, hungry, and sixteen dollars lighter in the wallet. Worse, I was about to catch a plane, so I was fucked on getting any other food.
I got the rolled eyes treatment when I paid and didn’t tip.
I’m not bitter about that experience. Not one bit.
Your order being fucked up or undercooked, or having an allergic reaction is a valid reason to have your meal comped, merely not liking the food is not a valid reason. It sucks you didn’t like it, but it’s no fault of the restaurant. That’s what you ordered. It doesn’t matter you only took two bites of it, all the restaurant can legally do with it is throw it in the trash, so it’s still a loss for them.
Cool your jets there. I don’t mind that I paid for it.
There was an aggressive, “well fuck you, pay me and get the fuck out then,” demeanor from the server.
I never raised my voice, never asked for a comp. All I did was response, “I can’t eat this,” when she asked how everything was. That was it.
I would’ve paid AGAIN if she’d offered to let me order something else because I was so god damned hungry and knew there would be no food for many hours ahead.
But no. She grabbed that plate, stormed off, and slapped a check in front of me. The end.
Sorry i hurt your service industry feelings.
I NEVER send food back and I NEVER ask for a comp. Never have, never will.
But you want to be shitty to be about it, I’ll pay for the food, and that’s all I’m gonna pay for.
In a similar situation this past summer, I told the server I didn’t care for the food and she immediately asked if I wanted something else. I politely declined and told her to charge me for the food, that it wasn’t her fault, and tipped her somewhere in the 25% neighborhood.
These two incidents are the only two times I can recall not being able to eat what I was served. I have, however, been witness to a number of other people getting pretty vocal about wanting everything for free, including everybody at their table, claiming they didn’t like the food they had consumed in its entirety. On that front, you and I are united, I’m sure.
I like math :) Its mysterious and fascinating and constantly surprising, like seeing the source code of the universe. Closest shit we have to actual magic.
Building anything requires trigonometry, unless you just say “fuck it” and hope the thing doesn’t fall apart, which is a pretty stupid way to live life.
Chicken coops have a ramp for the entrance, so when building it, you need to know the length of the ramp required for the desired angle, as well as making the"rungs" (I don’t know what they are actually called) on said ramp flush with the ground.
This whole discussion is within the context of trackers specifically, not the mainstream definition of “chiptune” which can refer to any music, made using whatever, that have some bleeps and bloops mixed in.
The mainstream definition also includes music that isn’t tracker music, which isn’t what we’re talking about, and hence, it’s not the right term to be using.
Bringing up the word in its general meaning within a discussion about tracker music, is even more confusing and unhelpful, because in the context of trackers, the word chiptune refers to a specific type of tracker music.
Chiptune only “specifically” means music produced the same way as retro games, which necessitates a tracker. If they’re using a standard DAW, then it’s basically “cheating” lmao.
That “lmao” is really doing some heavy lifting for your credibility there…
Which definition are you even using when saying that a tracker is necessary? In the age of trackers “chiptune” referred to a music style from before trackers. If chiptunes existed before trackers, then someone obviously made that music without one.
To consider same sound produced with newer tools “cheating” or “fake” is an stupid distinction. Would not using trackers to create chiptunes then be cheating, too, since chiptune referred to tracker music that was emulating the even older style of 8-bit computer music? (Since again, trackers are a 16-bit era thing)
I’m starting to think you don’t even know what a tracker is, because while trackers could be used to make other styles of music from their time, plenty of retro games used other ways to produce music, such as MIDI sound cards or direct instruction of synth voice chips. All of which would be called “chiptunes” by most people today, not just trackers.
Trackers were created to take advantage of the new and unique audio hardware available in the Amiga.
Trackers use sample-banks, while both the NES and SNES heavily relied on voice chips.
The NES only had 5 voice channels, and they were each stuck with their initial synth-type, and while SNES could reproduce samples, they were used sparingly due to the space audio samples would take up on the cartridge.
Trackers could create music using actual audio samples. While the samples couldn’t be long or high quality due to RAM and CPU constraints, the way they functioned from the audio systems of the NES and SNES is fundamentally different, and more capable.
While it is possible to re-create the style of music produced by the NES and SNES with a tracker, that’s hardly what they were developed for. Trackers had far fewer technical limitations and could do so much more.
You’re telling me shit I already know and trying to twist the facts. Whether the NES and SNES used synth or samples is immaterial to how the music was programmed. Trackers are literally made for programming MIDI instructions, just as those old games had their music programmed.
The number of voices and voice type changes nothing. You’re just trying to add in immaterial facts to add false weight to your assertion.
You’re telling me shit I already know and trying to twist the facts
I’m sorry, but if you already know all this, why can’t you make sense? You’re again coming in with a new claim that falls apart the second I add context:
MIDI is a digital standard for musical notation, one which trackers DID NOT USE. Lots of trackers use their own formats which can’t even be opened by other trackers, let alone any MIDI compliant software. Not to mention that MIDI files don’t come with samples, while tracker modules had to in order to reproduce a track correctly.
Trackers are as related to MIDI as they are to dots scribbled onto five lines on a piece of paper. All music can be represented using MIDI, because MIDI is just notes. That doesn’t mean all digital music uses MIDI. Especially when MIDI doesn’t store actual sound data.
Trackers, and I apparently have to say this again, USED SAMPLES. As in, NOT SYNTHS (like the NES). They played back recorded audio data from actual sound files according to a pattern input by the composer. Which yes, you could argue is equivalent to MIDI. But the samples are not, and they are a fundamental part of how trackers work. In order to even get started with using a tracker to create NES/SNES style music, you’d have to configure it with a sample-bank that contains the noises they would make.
Perhaps you are confused because MIDI sound cards did something similar. They used MIDI data to play music using the preset sample-banks that different MIDI cards came with, meaning the track would sound different depending on what sound card was used.
Tracker modules meanwhile came with their own samples, meaning they always played the same. Composers could also use whatever audio files they wanted to create their sample-banks.
“Those old games” also most certainly did not use MIDI, they either had their music produced using direct hardware instruction or whatever tools the game developers created for themselves.
But we’re getting off track. You’ve kept making new claims about trackers, what they are related to, the terminology around them, and what they are for, each of which has been subtly off.
To recap:
Tracker music is tracker music. The word “chiptune” can either refer to a sub-genre within tracker music, or “retro” music in general, which includes lots of other music aside from tracker music. However, it cannot be used to refer to tracker music and only tracker music. Those two terms are not interchangeable. That doesn’t change because “it’s much later now m8”.
Trackers were also not created to “replicate” or “reproduce” anything, they can, but they can also do more. They were developed specifically to take advantage of the new 16-bit sound card introduced in the Amiga, and worked by playing back recorded audio samples, while older computer music was produced by instructing synthesizers to bleep and bloop.
Of course you can use samples to play the notes in a MIDI, MIDI is just a digital standard for storing a sequence of notes. You can do whatever you want with those.
But now you’re grasping at straws, trackers didn’t use MIDI, and unlike MIDI, shipped the samples with the tracks, so they’d sound the same wherever they were played.
That there’s a superficial similarity is inconsequential, and that you’d bring it up at all, just further crushes your previous claims that trackers were related to earlier 8-bit synth-based music.
Mate you’re not gonna convince me that “tracker music” is anything but a vague term. You might have a point in it describing music made wth a tracker, but with Renoise existing these days, that isn’t exactly very specific is it? We call these pieces “scene music”, or even “keygen music” if you’re new to it. It’s as useful as saying “DAW music”. The music made in the style of old retro games is more specific than just “it was made with a tracker”. That is exactly why the term “chiptune” exists; it’s music that is made with those old sound chips, or emulations of them. That gets to the heart of the issue.
Does it need to be more than a vague term, if it, when entered into google or youtube, results in the exact thing I was talking about? Music, made using a “tracker”.
Scene music or chiptune, meanwhile, both lead to far less specific results. Same for DAW.
As for retro computer music as a genre, I never claimed it should ALL be called “tracker music”, you’re the one who went “which necessitates a tracker”.
I’m perfectly happy with chiptune as a word for any and all retro music. Tracker music can be called chiptune, but not all chiptune, is tracker music.
Yeah, trackers are what we had on the Amiga, and it was mostly just sound samples played at varying pitches. It’s definitely got an old school sound to it, but it’s only a low track limit that makes it different to what we have now.
Real chip tunes are where you torture an AY-3-8912 chip until it sings for its master.
My intro to chip tune was a guy I met in the mid aughts whose hobby was using old electronics to make music, so yeah, I always thought chip tune was like ripping apart old toys and torturing them to hear their screams
Seriously I’m 15 minutes into the history of computer generated sound and am still wondering wtf this has to do with cracking music. This is some next level autistic shit. 10/10.
I smell the same and can’t help but to mention just a few off the top of my head.
rgba / elevated
Conspiracy / Chaos Theory
Bran Control / Memories from the MCP
Andromeda Software Development / Lifeforce
Farbrausch / fr-041
mfx / 1995
pouet.net - go there, download and watch it yourself. Youtube is cool but real stuff is so much better, especially when you check the file size. Though be aware, some of these old ones don’t play well at non-96 dpi display settings.
This is art and I’m not even joking. This shit should have replaced wars.
I had no idea what I was getting into clicking that link. Saw another comment about it being 40some minutes long but I watched the whole video, it was very interesting! I was tickled by all the things that I can remember from growing up that were referenced
An aside, do you have first hand knowledge of tinkering with trackers?
Especially the longer ones like “POLYBIUS - The Video Game That Doesn’t Exist”, “Nuclear Fruit: How the Cold War Shaped Video Games”, and “The First Video Game”. His iconic arms series is also, well, iconic.
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