Largely because Reddit was so much more diverse. Even ol hive mindey Reddit tolerated differing views significantly better than the shit heap that is Lemmy.
Reddit does get super echo chamber-y in some places, though. Check out any thread in /r/worldnews lately and all the comments. They’re all of the same opinion. At least on Lemmy I see disagreement. I see as many complaints about tankies on Lemmy as I do tankies themselves, for example. The only one I’ve seen in this thread has all their comments in the negative.
Never doubt your ability to be influenced by propaganda. The technique that broke the internet in 2015, lying and then confirming the lie more convincingly with a second account, is still very successful today.
It’s not as clever yet, thought, as the demographic is rather small. I was amazed that reddits’ world news the comments were almost uniformly not only anti Hamas but pro Israel. I mean not to pick a side here, and not saying theres not astroturfing here. However there’s more diversity of position, whereas the reddit thread felt almost strangly like everyone was just saying stuff, but not carrying any meaning. Felt like the last scene of body snatchers where even the protagonist turns out to be snatched, in a way.
The amount of sophistication is lower. There are people holding extreme positions but quite often they self identify and aren’t state sponsored most of the time.
I agree and have noticed the same things. I don’t think Lemmy is big enough to attract the state sponsors yet like Reddit is but it will probably be susceptible to the same issues when it is.
As someone who posts a ton, I’ve noticed that a lot of people seem to check the top posts once a day or so. Posts can be slow to get engagement and traction, but the ones that become super active still seem to hit similar peaks as before (1-2k upvotes, hundreds of comments).
But yeah, people aren’t as actively engaged and commenting on everything all day like they used to on reddit. The framework is here, and I think if there were another big exodus, Lemmy is set up to be a great landing point.
I think part of it is that if someone comes here looking for a Reddit substitute, they will be disappointed, but if they come here looking for something extremely distinct from Reddit, they will also be disappointed. A lot of fediverse stuff is basically an inferior Reddit clone and that problem was compounded by the huge wave of Ledditors basically hijacking the culture of multiple instances to just exercise their Reddit habits, making the comparison even more obvious and poor.
Lemmy needs to eat populations that aren’t too big in order to metabolize them properly. Anything beyond that is going to get ejected along with some of what it could have handled if it was just that, and this will remain how it works until Lemmy figures out how to push people much harder to engage differently with it than with Reddit.
Yeah, I much prefer Lemmy to Reddit, it’s nice to be in a thread and not just see people repeating a load of dumb jokes they’ve all seen a thousand times back to each other like it gets any funnier the 1,001st time they hear it. And like that’s leaving aside how right wing it is and there was always a certain current of racism just below the surface in basically any politics sub and a load of popular seemingly apolitical subs
This. Quality over quantity. There are much more walls of text, but it’s filled with information and humanity. Reddit just became another Meta platform, but for niches. Lemmy has great communities, but all are tech and anti-big-corpo related, I feel right at home :p, but I understand that most don’t.
Yeah reddit spring user here, I kinda agree. Not that I mind them but there is an awful lot of 'LOL WINDOWS NORMIES LOL' and 'JOKE ABOUT HOW HARD THIS LINUX IS.' is like... allot of the jokes.
There are plenty of other communities people made, just most didn’t become very active. If the Linux memes are everywhere, it’s because those are the people actually active here
It’s not that they’re not active, it’s that every single thread on every single community devolves into linux discussions even if the community isn’t in any way supposed to be about Linux.
Also the ones that aren’t active aren’t active because everyone realized lemmy only caters to like three interests.
We need better moderation so that the communities which are supposed to be about Linux are, and the ones that aren’t don’t get flooded with it. That way newcomers won’t feel like they have no place here unless they’re an anti-car, vegan, FOSS user.
If this doesn’t happen, lemmy will slowly die and people will have to go to other places like Tildes or back to Reddit.
Personally I don’t think I’ve noticed this. Things devolving into political discussions, sure, but that’s par for the course with social media I imagine. I had assumed you meant the prevalence of Linux stuff on the all feed.
No I mean the prevalence of Linux on c/memes, on c/mildlyinfuriating, c/programmerhumor, anywhere but Linux and Linux memes which are specifically designated for that content.
If you haven’t seen it on the comments of every possible thread you’re either wearing blinders or willfully ignorant. You can’t go three comments down on a single post anywhere without someone mentioning Linux and then the whole thread is Linux from there.
I would fully expect Linux content on any community dedicated to technology (i.e. programmerhumor); the rest is totally understandable. Though, I have to agree with @CarbonIceDragon, I really don't see as much Linux content as you seem to - granted I use kbin, not lemmy.
I've read that Lemmy is a bit more personally curated than kbin, is it possible you've just accidentally built yourself a Linux bubble?
Fair enough on programmer humor, but no I don’t think I’ve built any kind of bubble. I only subscribe to those two aforementioned Linux communities, everything else is just bleed over. My feed is pretty well rounded to match what I had going on over at reddit.
Hmm but what kind of software do these trains run on? Allow me to take a moment and explain how switching these operations to Linux could increase schedule reliability while minimizing expenses.
I don’t get the domestic abuse connection everyone is making. I thought it implied the woman was just going to walk out on him. After the PS5 starts blasting, you’d hear the rustle of her packing her luggage in their now former bedroom. Maybe she’ll leave the wedding ring on the dining room table.
Since there’s so much confusion about this in the comments:
If you have an argument with your partner, a very common solution is to separate for a bit and get some space, then come back with clear heads and finish the argument like adults.
That separation - may it be going for a walk, or playing video games, is not disrespectful. It is the person trying to recover from their emotions.
To use an example: in an intense argument, my wife or I will recognize that things are heating up into shouting match. We each leave the space, and 3-12 hours later, restart the convo gently. I typically go off for a walk. She may go to the bedroom and watch TV.
If you’re upset at what the other person is doing during your separation time, you are still emotionally affected and are not ready for a talk.
Learning curve is huge compared to other social media
The sad thing is, is not really that more complicated, it’s just got a bumpy on-ramp. join-lemmy.org is a lot better than it used to be, but it’s still got this anxiety-producing step where you have to select a home server.
I watch those upcoming trailers on Youtube, and I'm sure it's just me, but - it always seems like the movies are going to be stupid. For one thing, I'm in the minority, I don't watch Marvel movies or care about superheros, so there goes 99 percent of the movies' appeal for me. But also - I HATE the blue veneer over movies today - like they were all shot with a dark blue lens so everything is a uniform gray color, no skin tones, no sky tones, no color to the trees. I realize that's probably because digitally shot movies look that way, but it's quite unpleasant and ugly.
I wondered about that. When I was a film major in college (way back in 80s) we were using 16 mm cameras and actual film, and to correct for daylight (which has a lot of blue in it) we had to use an orange filter over the lens to make the colors more natural. So I'm sure there are ways to correct for the blueness in digitally shot movies. I just wish they'd use it!
Like the movie "Napoleon" that just came out. There's no way I'll watch it just because I hate that blue/grey aesthetic so much, it bleeds so much life out of things and leaves skin tones grey and skies always looking overcast. It's like being in a freezing cold place for two hours. No thanks!
Well, Lemmy is really not good at pushing new content/new posts and/or new communities to people. For many of us, that might be a boon: less algorithmic shenanigans, less "steering" of the user. Yet, if you are not a user who likes to actively seak out stuff, your feeds will look stale and slow-paced very quickly. There might be new stuff,.but the feeds struggle to find a middle ground between "only the upvoted stiff you subscribed to", "the always same server wide top posts" and "bleeding edge new stuff". It's also very reluctant to sprinkle on new communities.
I think that's a main contributor to the decline.
For the record: kbin is more liberal when it comes to that sort of stuff. So if you like a more active feed, you might want to try kbin. If you like your feed to be controlled by you more, use Lemmy.
There are plenty of reasons to criticize Microsoft but I don’t think this is one of them. First, Windows Defender is quite good as far as antivirus software goes. If you ever had to do desktop support in the days when Norton, McAfee, and AVG reigned supreme, then you know what I’m talking about.
Second, one of the biggest challenges for an OS vendor is backwards compatibility. Especially since Windows dominates the enterprise space and has for the last 25+ years. Big corporations can get really cranky about their legacy applications from 1998 that are still basically holding the entire org together. While it’s short sighted to not be proactive about keeping your technology current, it’s also a reality that many businesses simply aren’t proactive.
Windows definitely has its flaws but it has come a long way in terms of both security and reliability over the years.
I've been around since 1959, and back then people were up in arms about the partisan divide in this country and the Vietnam conflict and the oppression of black and other races. Back then, domestic abuse was sort of commonplace, no man could be sent to jail for beating up his kids or his wife. Alcoholism was rampant back then, and drug abuse shot up dramatically. Since then, I've seen so much of the same play out over and over. Things have changed somewhat for the better in some ways, but to be honest - there never was a 'good old time' when everyone felt happy and equal and safe and protected.
I’ve been around since the 70s and I mostly agree … but on one point I disagree … the ability of humanity to wipe itself out with a nuclear exchange. Back then, even 20, 30 years ago there were a lot level headed leaders who (although we may have disagreed with them) were less radical and would be less likely to consider launching a nuclear weapon for any reason. Back then, we also had a lot of actual war veterans in the public and in government who understood the nature of war … now there are fewer of them around. Most people including those in government now don’t know what war is any more, other than to see it glorified in history books, movies and pop culture.
So the combination scares me … a society that is complacent to war yet has the weapons to cause world wide destruction if someone disagrees with them.
There is only one way that humanity will finally end - and yes, it will be by nuclear war. And it's not very far off at all. There is no other way that the fate of humanity can go. There is such a lack of human compassion and empathy and such a desire to cause hurt, it's just a matter of hours. So don't think it won't happen. There's no other possible outcome for us at this point, none whatsoever (unless an asteroid demolishes us first, that is).
It didn’t feel like they were stable and would take care of us though, the nuclear drills sure didn’t help. Also, I know a lot of army vets that weren’t drafted but went to school with the army bill. There are people out there that still know that war sucks. Also, the kids now have school shooting drills, they kind of live with the potential of war and some have seen it. There does seem to be an incredible breakdown with the money in politics, no shame and we’re extremely close to having a dictator after they attempted a coup, I’ll give you that.
I feel as though there was a “good old days” of the internet. Don’t get me wrong, it was a complete shit show, but it was anonymous, anyone could say anything that they wanted, and there would be few if any consequences. There were ads, but they were generally garbage animated GIFs at worst.
It wasn’t perfect, but we were free to do what we wanted on the internet, with little to no bearing on our daily lives.
Now, it’s almost expected that your online activity will be tied to you specifically. In most cases, your legal name is attached to it for everyone to see. If you try to go around without your legal name on everything, then generally you are either severely limited, or outright removed from the platform. Sigh
Meted out by human beings who had to read the thread in aggravatingly linear order - so they were more likely to say ‘you were being kind of a butthead’ instead of ‘how dare you call anyone a butthead.’
That's true enough. I started working around the time computers were even a thing - back in the 70s and there was no internet, just basic DOS green screens that were very basic. It wasn't until the mid-90s I even had a computer that had rudimentary internet access - and it was so new, there was only maybe a handful of websites you could find.
There were no cookies or trackers to watch what you were doing online, but then again, there wasn't anything much to look at anyway - porn wasn't even there yet.
So I feel we definitely have it both better and worse today. To me, the better outweights the negatives - I mean it's so much nicer today to just be able to search anything and get a million different answers. But that's also the downfall of everyone being interconnected - being buried in bullshit much of the time.
That's about it. I'm white and male and I'm here to tell you, there never was a 'good old days' unless you mean a time when white men could get away with raping and killing a young kid like Emmett Till and could butcher their families and get away with it.
More likely it was when they were kids and without adult responsibilities, or narrow/whitewashed views of the past(as from stories and shows from before their birth)
I look back at my childhood as the ‘good ole days’ mostly because of the no responsibilities thing. The more I learn about what stuff was really going on in the 90’s/2000s, the more I see there was no good ole days, just times when I was insulated from the harsh realities of the world.
My childhood in the 60s and 70s was idyllic, I have to admit - growing up on a private reserve with mountains all around and having woods around to play and get lost in. I loved it all - but even then I knew about the conflicts going on and how unhappy most adults seemed.
I hold similar views(obviously), but I find something comforting in it. Like, rather than living in a ruined paradise lost by us or our parents, we live in a complicated world where we share the work of trying to make something better with our ancestors.
(Of course, we also have to figure out how to do that, and, in a complicated world, that can be challenging and lead to conflict)
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