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pomodoro_longbreak, in Google “search”
@pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works avatar

I basically only go there when DDG hasn’t indexed the Stack Exchange/Overflow Q&A I’m looking for.

Also decentralized SE/SO when?

Endorkend, in Jordanian Petersonian
@Endorkend@kbin.social avatar

Yeah, doesn't take much to warp a young mind with pseudoscience and pseudo philosophical blathering.

Because the right has coopted the religious right, this is just a merger of oldschool professional religious apologists tactics into political discourse and it took scores of Atheists making videos, doing talks and going into debates to show these people for the lying pieces of shit they are.

But because they moved into fronting as purely political, rather than religious, the Atheists stay away, because it's not their fight.

FlashMobOfOne, in Jordanian Petersonian
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

Social media programming is pretty effective.

The major social media platforms are programmed to simultaneously outrage you and convince you that everything you think is correct, no matter how outlandish or stupid it is.

And it works. Keeps your eyes glued to stupid ads.

For my part, I lost hope in it all when my loving, wonderful preschool teacher started posting about how unfairly Trump was being treated.

dodgy_bagel, (edited )

I mean my feed is full of socialists telling me that the vampiric capitalists are the reason behind 95% of the world’s problems.

drbluefall,
@drbluefall@toast.ooo avatar

Perhaps not vampiric, and perhaps not 95%, but I’d very solidly say that it’s >50% on the conservative end.

FlashMobOfOne,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

The few. The proud.

Problem is both parties are very much for vampiric capitalism.

dodgy_bagel,

And one seems to want to light the world on fire in the process.

So the problem seems like an easy one to solve. Accelerationism is a good way towards extinction.

Gabu,

“Hurr durr, both of these things are the same even though they’re clearly different”.

dodgy_bagel,

Durr durr durr.

hurr durr durr?

Hurr durr DERRRRR.

ಠ_ಠ

Dur her dur dur.

eclectic_electron,

They are not the same, but it is still disappointing to see lots of lazy, reactionary arguments, circle jerking, etc even if you agree with what someone is ultimately supporting.

superduperenigma, (edited )

Don’t know if there’s an equivalent community on Lemmy (and honestly I’m not sure I’d want to see it either way), but /r/QanonCasualties was one of the most depressing subs you would ever see.

Just pages and pages of people either desperately trying to free their loved ones from the clutches of right wing conspiracies or people seeking support after they accept that they’re never going to deprogram their friends and family from cult-like brainwashing. Families torn apart. Marriages in shambles. Lifelong friendships broken.

An absolutely heartbreaking look into how much damage these psyops have caused to so many people.

not_that_guy05,

I enjoyed Herman Cain award given out to all the deniers. Was fun, feel bad for the family members that are level headed, but not the ones got the awards.

From posting BS antivax science to the last weeks of their lives asking for thought and prayers. Lol.

CountryBreakfast,
@CountryBreakfast@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Half of them were too up their own asses to see the racism in their own families and used it as an outlet to express their “shock” so as to not face up to the fact that their upbringing needs to be critically examined instead of romanticized. These people, just like their QAnon family, are not mere victims and have their fair share of denial themselves.

stolid_agnostic,

Sadly, I am a victim of this same thing. I quite Facebook because family members would bring their friends to attack me on my wall because I happened to post an article they didn’t like. It was constant and daily. I eventually gave up and really don’t ever see those people anymore.

stolid_agnostic,

My take is that this has revealed who amongst us is still ruled by their ape nature and who can notice that it’s weird to do that and try not to. Those who use only the monkey brain will fall into these traps every time. It really goes to show you just how primitive our species still is.

Dkarma,

It’s easier to just say they’re stupid.

stolid_agnostic, (edited )

I actually don’t think that they are particularly stupid. I think that most people can’t overcome the urge to have and keep for themselves. It’s all very much ape behavior and it pervades all the nasty that humans are capable of.

I’m not saying that people or better or worse. I just think that some let the internal animal out and others keep it in the cage. I do, however, believe that everyone should strive for that.

Heidur, in Oh, you are here, too?

I only use it for drugs

GrammatonCleric, in Google “search”
@GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world avatar

🦆🦆👉

bulwark, in Google “search”

Kagi.com is one of the best services I pay for. I know paying for Internet search seems outrageous because we’ve been accustom to our data being the payment, but I think it’s worth it. The search feature and added stuff really make it very functional plus the no adds or SEO type sites is bonus.

sbv,

I love the idea of paying for services I use, but I didn’t get many useful results from Kagi.

Out of curiosity, do you live in the US?

bulwark,

I do. Did you find better results on Google? I’ve used DDG, yandex, qwant, and brave search engine but I really like the add free results and I understand something has to pay for the servers.

sbv,

Google had more relevant results for me.

troglodytis, in Google “search”

But we can still get Orange Julius, right?

Right?

Empricorn, in Golden

A real golden man would wrench his legs up and back over his shoulders… You have to commit!

stoy, in Jordanian Petersonian

I heavily curate my watch history on YT, I know exactly what kind of content I want to be recommended for me, light gaming, odd documentaries, tech, trustworthy debunkings, and that is about it.

Sometimes I get sucked into different types of content, when I want to see cool music videos, but once I am done, I clear them from my history, else they will mess up my recommendations.

I have seen how one new video in my history can completely mess it up untill I remove it from history.

sour, (edited )
@sour@kbin.social avatar

am turn off history and look at subscribed feed

Omega_Haxors, (edited )

Youtube is doing a pretty big nazi push right now. A more naïve me would have bought into the whole ‘nazis abusing the algorithm’ narrative but I think them running transphobia ads for the daily wire is proof enough that they’re in on it at this point.

Gradually_Adjusting,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

Grayjay helps

cashews_best_nut, (edited ) in Jordanian Petersonian

I really liked Jordan for a while. I even bought his book (12 Rules of Life).

But he seemed to go a bit mental at some point and I lost interest.

Then I read a massive blog post by one of his former colleagues that said he’d always wanted to establish a church and be a preacher. It all kinda fell into place and I realised he’d always been mental.

Omega_Haxors, (edited )

Sadly it’s times like this when you need to look back and ask yourself how such a blatant charlatan can get one over on you, because they never ‘get bad’ but rather were always bad and you just didn’t see it. Sargon taught me to stay the fuck away from Vaush, that cryptofascist. Seeing how easily Sargon, a blatant nazi propagandist was able to get 1 video out of me made sure that people like him wouldn’t even get that.

RQG,
@RQG@lemmy.world avatar

Same. I got his book as an ebook and read it. It offers some decent if simple advice and draws some really weird and false conclusions in other places. But overall it isn’t a bad book and I never felt like he argued on bad faith. But eventually I decided I don’t agree with his views overall.

Later he went a bit weird eating only meat and making weird arguments so idk. But before that I totally understood how he could suck people into the right wing bubble.

Hyperreality,

That's the thing. From what I've gathered, a lot of what he says is perfectly sensible, often age old philosophical advice. But that's how they get you. It's like Russia Today. They mix the lies with plenty of truth. If they only told lies, they would be far less convincing.

Of course, another thing Peterson does, is use expensive words to make himself sound smarter than he actually is. If you have a related degree or spend a little time on wikipedia, you'll notice he's often talking nonsense. But to the layman, Jordan sounds like he's a great intellectual. I don't think he's deliberately trying to scam his followers, I think he earnestly wants to help them. I'm willing to believe he means well. It's just that he's like a respected doctor who thinks he knows better than his lawyer and ends up getting himself convicted. He may be an expert in his field of expertise, but he clearly isn't outside that field. He often sounds like an overeducated idiot. There are plenty of those in academia, unfortunately.

If anything, I find it a damning indictment of society (and the media), that a run of the mill motivational speaker can become so popular.

stolid_agnostic,

In my experience and observation, he works best on those who don’t have their own sense of identity because they just picked up whatever mantle was expected of them from society and moved on without a second thought. These people ultimately realize that they and their lives are meaningless and work to fill that void. Someone like Peterson can attempt to fill that empty spot, though ultimately it’ll fail.

stolid_agnostic,

I feel that the Elon lovers go through similar when he says something that finally pierces the vail.

CowsLookLikeMaps, in Pizza delivery

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iAmTheTot, in Google “search”
@iAmTheTot@kbin.social avatar

What are y'all searching for that Google search isn't working for you anymore? Like, genuinely, I'm baffled by this.

3ntranced,

I made the switch to DDG a few days ago and it actually is insane how much more relevant the information is compared to google.

TrickDacy,
@TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

The latest in hipster rants. apparently not easy to find on Google ;)

Tetsuo,

I use DDG and if the result is not what I’m looking for, I add !g to forward the query to Google.

80% of the times, I need to add !g because DDG is clueless.

I wish I could say otherwise but Google search results are still better overall than DDG.

Sure, for some specific thematics, DDG will do better. But that’s for quite niche subjects.

Very surprised to see people talk about DDG like it’s at the same level or better than Google.

krudorass,

A typical example is more popular searches crowding out actual answers to your question.

I have had this a lot of times with IT problems, I am a sys admin and google a ton of things related to my job. But 5 out of 10 times some keyword will relate to a simple problem many people have with their pc and all relative answers to my exact question get drowned out.

Google anything related to ‘laptop monitor turn off’ and you will only find results telling you how to turn of sleep when you close the lid. No matter how much syntaxing or formatting you do with your search

Rascabin,

You’re a Systems Administrator, but Google Tier 2 issues, do you provide break fix support? I thought as a SA you would be working behind the scenes on systems (apps), servers, etc.

DesertCreosote,

Can’t speak for the person you’re replying to, but I’m a security engineer and stuff still makes its way to me that you would think would get filtered out by others (and isn’t my job to fix). It just takes the right person thinking “this is obviously a problem with $system, let’s just send it straight over to them so they can fix it quickly!” And then we get the fun job of proving it’s not us and has no relation to us.

We got a ticket today for packet loss between two systems, neither of which have any of our tools on them…

Rascabin,

I think this is a training issue that needs to be resolved at the Helpdesk level. I understand that nobody is perfect but if you keep seeing tickets like that - Helpdesk managers need to update their training modules and start tweaking the Helpdesk system to have service requests go to the proper groups. Incident tickets are another story but that’s where the training comes in.

Nommer,

I’m not even a sysadmin, just a power user and this infuriates me to no end. I gave up on a search just a couple days ago because I kept getting bottom tier answers. Like thanks but I already know how to use my computer, now tell me how to fix this problem.

JPJones,

C’mon now. “Laptop monitor turn off” has never generated a good result, even in the before time. I share the question: what are these people searching for that Google is generally yielding worse results than other engines? For anything sysadmin, IT-related, or any sort of troubleshooting, I’ve always needed to be creative to get to the good stuff.

micka190,

C’mon now. “Laptop monitor turn off” has never generated a good result

That’s not what they’re saying. They mean that if your search contains that or is somewhat adjacent (despite being more specific), your results will be drowned in it. For example, if you had something like “laptop monitor turn off when bla bla bla”, 90% of the results will completely ignore what you’ve added.

I’ve got to deal with the same shit whenever I have to deal with complicated programming questions. Half the results will be related to some really basic mistake on the user’s side that I haven’t done, and I’ll need to spend a lot of time trying to find the magical word combination that doesn’t trigger those non-related issues and actually show me what I need.

JPJones,

Yeah, and what I was saying is it’s always been that way since the first search engines started popping up.

scottywh,

Stupid searches yield stupid results

girl,

Google straight up lies to me about movies an actor has been in, almost every time. “Wow, I had no idea Robert Downey Jr was in Mean Girls! Who did he play?” checks imdb “no he fuckin wasn’t wtf google” (this is an arbitrary example I just made up because I don’t feel like finding a real one right now)

TrickDacy,
@TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

That is a dumb feature that shouldn’t be trusted.

girl,

I mean if they got it right it would be a handy feature lol, but yes it clearly can’t be trusted so I stopped bothering

TrickDacy,
@TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

Right. I just think it was overly ambitious. It’s right just enough to earn trust and wrong just enough to burn you. I had a really, really dumb argument once because of that feature

iAmTheTot,
@iAmTheTot@kbin.social avatar

Ah, yes, arbitrary examples. I can make those up too.

girl,

oh okay, you wanna be like that

girl,

google claims Alan Tudyk is in Andor, he isn’t

google search

imdb for andor

imdb for alan tudyk

iAmTheTot,
@iAmTheTot@kbin.social avatar

Is he not slated for season two? I thought that robot he voiced was going to be in it, I remember reading some article months ago though I admit I only have a passing interest in the show.

girl,

I see speculation but nothing solid. I think google is pulling from the rumors, which it really shouldn’t. If he is slated then that’s fine, let me know if you find anything

iAmTheTot,
@iAmTheTot@kbin.social avatar

I don't actually care enough to go looking into it, I was just mentioning what I remember reading.

girl,

yes that’s why I made up an arbitrary example of something I had experienced firsthand

iAmTheTot,
@iAmTheTot@kbin.social avatar

Me not caring enough to confirm if Alan Tudyk is going to be in the second season of a show I haven't even watched is not a good excuse for you to just make up shit to try to make a point.

girl, (edited )

you are spreading made up shit as we speak to prove your own point, and you’re very rude. you have reached a conclusion and think anyone who disagrees with you is either a liar or stupid. bye

iAmTheTot,
@iAmTheTot@kbin.social avatar

I don't ever remember calling you a liar or stupid, but okay. Also not sure what made up thing I said, or what point I'm trying to prove. I kinda think we are having two completely different conversations.

mindbleach,

Open Watcom is a compiler for DOS. Every search engine will try ten ways to politely tell you that you obviously meant Wacom tablets, you illiterate goblin, and then shrug and direct you to the project’s own single-page FAQ.

Asking questions about DOS itself is even worse. Say you want the scan codes for arrow keys. Then say it a hundred more times, with increasing specificity and occasional vulgarity, because you are getting nothing but “how to use a terminal window in Windows.” Or at best, Ralph Brown’s big fat interrupt list, rearranged into the most Geocities-ass jumble of pages, where you can easily look up what any specific hex code does, once you already know which code to look for.

doctorn, (edited )
@doctorn@r.nf avatar

Torrents, modded apk’s,…

Check out my results for some chinese download service called “Content Plaza” for example:

Google:

https://r.nf/pictrs/image/978b82de-961b-41df-9cf0-1f412258eb12.png

Yandex:

https://r.nf/pictrs/image/55a43a5c-91df-4c78-a0d1-9594620b8b43.png

Like, 2? On the ‘entire’ internet? 2? Right…

brbposting,

Was Yandex respecting your query there?

Added quotation marks for “terabox” as well, and it was fascinating across providers:

Yandex agreed with your Google search…

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/96a9e479-baf2-4627-b6fa-0b59b3d2167a.jpeg

…but not mine:

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/37340e40-85ab-4118-8cf7-792de3483a63.jpeg

DDG coming in with one result:

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/192e6a4a-ff3c-49fc-a978-5e66f9846f54.jpeg

Startpage, just one result?!

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/c2edbf55-e5af-421f-a79d-315d70f181b7.jpeg

…nope, not from the “mobile site”:

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/826eb071-b503-4ce8-9deb-19365c784583.jpeg

Bing didn’t care about those silly quotation marks, here are a thousand results:

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/c5401f64-a511-4be4-ae4a-d03eee1b4cef.jpeg

doctorn, (edited )
@doctorn@r.nf avatar

Yet if I enter something like ‘resolv’ in Google I need to add ‘-resolve’ to not get hundreds of unrelated results… Same goes for any not-too-popular software that is named a slight misspelling of their purpose… I even find it ridiculous how often first results litterally say underneath they did not contain your query…

But with terabox and “content plaza” it gives 2 results?

Startpage I have no idea, but I’m guessing they, like many, use the Google API for webcrawler results… 1 result? Those are pretty common words,…

scottmeme, in Google “search”

I use a self hosted whole instance because I still enjoy the Google SEO

nightwatch_admin, in Proof of twerk

I wish for Lemmy Gold hoo boy

TrickDacy,
@TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

🤮

Albbi,

Could donate to OP’s instance. More useful than reddit gold ever was that way.

A button for that would be pretty neat.

nightwatch_admin,

Great idea!

hoshikarakitaridia,

Maybe make it more interesting “give this man a medal” and you pay money for that, but the money gets donated to the instance. That could be cool.

Diabolo96, (edited )

Yep, people will throw hundreds if not thousands of dollars at big tech giant for random useless cosmetic stuff. Using this late stage consumerism drive for actual good is honestly the best solution. This is not sarcasm. I actually lost faith in the fight against Hyper-consumerism.

rockSlayer, in Jordanian Petersonian

Counter with “I found a great one too named Micheal Parenti, check him out!” Give them a slow boil with Parenti’s speech on the origin of democracy

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