“If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America. They don’t care for human beings.” - Nelson Mandela
Can’t attest to their intentions but “speak for yourself” would be the continuation of the ken m “we are all x on this blessed day” meme, whether or not that’s what you were going for.
What does a terrorist group sacrificing Palestinians for the palaces of their leadership who assault and kill people in an international music festival dedicated to peace have to do with a famous politician and anti-apartheid activist who did his best to do things the right way? Stop gaslighting with terrorist apologism.
As a serious note, what has happened on 7th of october was most definitely known beforehand by Israeli government and was entirely under their control, if not staged by them in the first place. Unless you don’t know, the gaza strip is (unlawfully) blockaded from all sides, including the sea, with rigorous checkpoint inspections to make sure that absolutely nothing goes in or out without Israeli knowledge. There is a huge fucking wall on the border that’d make Trump jealous, patrolled 24/7 by a whole battalion of armed forces and equipped with the most state-of-the art surveillance equipment, capable of tracking every single bird flying over Gaza. The only way a bunch of bozos on bulldozers could even approach it undetected is if Israeli intentionally removed security and disabled surveillance over some parts of the wall.
Ya, the whole ’ oppressor’ v ’ oppressed’ narrative has caused some younger people to lose their understanding and morality. Mother fuckers are cheering for bin Laden and the Houthis right now, let alone Hamas. It’s completely fucked up. Those are the bad guys, there’s no way to argue otherwise reasonably.
No, kids think terrorism is based because you boomers keep calling good people terrorists.
PS: Israel and Hamas are on the same side. They both want a war. Every anti-Israel person is anti-Hamas, and every pro-Israel person is pro-Hamas. If Israel gave equal rights to Palestinians, nobody would give Hamas good press anymore. No new recruits. People would leave. Hamas’ existence is a choice Israel continues to make every day.
So bin Laden, the Houthis and Hamas are good people?
That’s who these people are cheering for. The Houthi flag is the call of the good guys?
That you think Hamas wouldn’t exist if Israel provided equal rights, shows you are not familiar with the players involved here. Their charter says clearly otherwise, so do their actions. So does the entire history of the region. The goal is the removal of the Jewish people, same as it’s been for centuries. They’re not shy about sharing that either. You should listen to them.
For some reason, I thought of Reverend Dexter from Babylon 5
“Every day, here and at home, we are warned about the enemy. But who is the enemy? Is it the alien? Well, we are all alien to one another. Is it the one who believes differently than we do? No, not at all, my friends. The enemy is fear. The enemy is ignorance. The enemy is the one who tells you that you must hate that which is different. Because, in the end, that hate will turn on you. And that same hate will destroy you.”, followed by the hymn
It still hits me hard, one of the best juxtaposition scenes in a series. Chilling and beautiful.
Steve Harvey: “We asked 100 people, what is the male reproductive organ?”
Contestant: “The penis”
SH: “A WUH… HUH??” audience erupts into laughter Steve Harvey grabs onto podium to support himself laughter gets even louder
SH: O lordy… one man goes into cardiac arrest and many others begin vomiting profusely from laughing too hard
SH: YOU PEOPLE NEED HELP the Earth shatters and Satan rises from the underworld to claim unworthy souls the universe begins rapidly closing in on itself
SH: (putting on a weary voice) Survey says… the board shows 100 for “penis” Harvey is able to get off one more shocked look before existence as we know it comes to an end
you forgot the part where Steve Harvey, in the anguished tones of a man who has crossed hell and is delivering one final message, screams to the stage directors
This guy belongs in some sort of program that picks him up in the morning keeps him occupied during the day doing arts and crafts then returning home in the evening. Imagine how much nicer life would be if we helped the mentally challenged.
The “journalism” about israel/gaza here in germany is a complete shame across the board. German media, even (or especially) the publicly funded media, literally try to hide the discussions that the rest of the world is having about this war. Things like these: nytimes.com/…/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.ht…
And of course they are failing. Also, whenever something happens that they can’t ignore, they use euphemisms to describe war crimes of the israli side instead of just stating the facts. Many journalists are literally scared to lose their jobs if they report to honestly about this conflict. It’s insane.
Journalists who are afraid of speaking truth to power are not doing their job. I would tell them “Get fired if you must, fuck your job - you’re a journalist, not a lobby boy.”
Some jobs are not a mere job, they are a societal need and a calling. Should we accept doctors who would prefer to keep their job if it meant giving substandard care?
That’s an extreme example maybe, but given the state of corporate news media and the effect it’s had on society, I’ll stand by it.
It does rather underpin the value of strong social safety nets, doesn’t it? When the only way to survive is to keep your job, it’s not essentially different than forced labor.
I agree. At the moment i am keeping my job, but would rather take a small timeout, like 3 months. Just relax and take my time to think things over. The pandemic took everything i had set aside and the inflation has me spending my whole salary for the month. I could only quit this job if i already have another starting the next day, there’s no way to spend even a week without income.
I’m sorry, why do you in particular have some keen insight or experience or knowledge which allows you to speak for these folks anymore than the other commenter?
EDIT: I should clarify, it would be very very easy to not do this; there, I did it now, there I didn’t do it again, I can keep this going. Can you specify why in-and-of-itself supporting an unambiguous apartheid regime and settler-colonial state engaged in documented genocide over decades is not, again, in-and-of-itself enough to not support or write on or for it??
Thats simply incorrect. For example ‘Deutschlandfunk Der Tag’ did a long series (~5 hours) about the impact of the war on Palestinians living under Hamas occupation during the war and their feelings towards Israel. They even did a Meta-report ‘How much attention does the dying in Gaza get in german media’ where they interviewed Salma Abuzaina, a Palestine activist in germany.
Maybe you just don’t consume public funded media if you haven’t heard any report about it. The conflict between reporting on Palestinian deaths and Isreali deaths without negating the suffering of any of the parties is a huge topic in german media.
See my other german comment for a reply to exactly that. I know that DLF is mostly doing a good job but that’s not my point. Sorry, but its to tedious for me to keep discussing this in english.
And I have no Idea what you are talking about, Deutschland Funk talks about the death in Palestine quite often. And how Israel is not tunening down their Attacks and how Shipments of Aid being blocked.
They report very neutral you could even say emotionless. Because they have no need for seeking attention or shock Images because they don’t need to sell their News and Articles.
Trust me, we are very well informed on what is going on in Gaza and how Israel is starving the Region while bombing it to shred. Our News network is pretty good only our politicians seem unwilling to talk about this
Man muss zwischen “innerem” und “äußerem” Mainstream unterscheiden. Der innere Mainstream sind z.B. viel verkaufte Tageszeitungen, sowie Fernsehnachrichten, “politische” Talkshows und vielleicht Nachrichten bei Unterhaltungsradiosendern. Deutschlandfunksendungen, sowie Investigativformate (Monitor, Frontal 21, Panorama,…) leisten oft sehr gute Arbeit, aber fliegen verhältnismäßig unter dem Radar. Ich finde es berechtigt, die quotenstarken öffentlichrechtlichen Abendnachrichten (Tagesthemen, Heute) im Fernsehen mit anderen Ländern zu vergleichen (z.B. BBC, PBS, CNN) und in diesem Vergleich zeigt sich sehr deutlich, wie das Thema in Deutschland komplett anders und sehr einseitig behandelt wird.
Ich gebe dir recht, was den DLF betrifft, der rettet die Öffentlichrechtlichen in der Hinsicht immer, dass die sagen können “guck, wurde doch berichtet” wenn jemand Kritik übt. Also wer sich informieren will, kann das hier auf jeden Fall auch in den Deutschen Medien, aber die quotenstärksten Formate, die die allgemeine Diskussion von Themen am meisten prägen sind in vielerlei Hinsicht beschämend schlecht.
(Ah Gott sei Dank du sprichst deutsch! Eine Diskussion auf englisch darüber ist etwas knifflig zumal es kaum Artikel über die deutsche Medienlandschaft auf englisch gibt 😂)
Bei mir ist es vielleicht genau deswegen umgekehrt 🤔 Ich schaue kein Fernsehen und somit auch nicht Tagesschau und bekomme daher meine Nachrichten eher vom DLF und deren Unterformaten. Daher bin ich und die meisten meiner Freunde sehr darüber informiert. Aber in der Tagesschau usw. kommt dazu nichts?
Geht mir genau so. Ich informiere mich hauptsächlich über Podcasts und höre auch gerne DLF Sendungen als Podcast (Nachrichten, Der Tag, Hintergrund, manchmal auch Kontrovers). Wenn ich mal Abendnachrichten oder auch politische Talkshows im Fernsehen sehe, platzt mir aber regelmäßig der Kragen.
wegen dem vielfach widerlegtem Schwachsinn, der dort faktenbasierten Argumenten scheinbar ebenbürtig gegenüber steht und
U.A. im Falle dieses Konfliktes, wegen der sehr einseitigigen Berichterstattung, welche sich immer in der gewählten Sprache und oft auch in der Auswahl und Gewichtung der Themen ganz klar zeigt. Wie gesagt, es ist, als würden die Versuchen, unvermeidbare Diskussionen, die sowieso auf der ganzen Welt geführt werden, sowie schwierige, ambivalente Bewertungen, von den Deutschen Zuschauer*innen fernzuhalte. Dadurch soll wohl ein möglichst geschlossenes Weltbild vermitteln und den Leuten (größtenteils im fortgeschrittenen Rentenalter) die Welt erklärt werden, anstatt ihnen die Möglichkeit zu geben, sich eine Meinung zu bilden und sich weiter zu informieren. Ich vermute, dass eine der Ursachen dafür ist, dass diese Art von Nachrichten höhere Einschaltquoten bringen, was auch die Öffis nicht ganz ignorieren können.
Ziemlich gut diskutiert und anhand von Clips gezeigt (auch im Vergleich zu internationalen anderen Medien), wurde das im Aufwachen!-Podcast, Folgen 456 und 457. Die Podcasts sind sehr lang, haben aber Kapitelmarken. Dazu sei noch erwähnt, dass diverse Redakteur*innen aus den Öffis, denen das selbst auffällt, die aber dagegen nichts ausrichten können, die Podcaster in ihrer Betrachtung bestärkt und ihnen für das Aufzeigen des Problems gedankt haben. Natürlich nicht öffentlich, denn das Thema ist in Deutschland einfach ein Minenfeld.
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