The quality of reddit has seriously gone downhill. It feels like being on Facebook or something, the comments are cringrworthy and just plain odd and the posts aren’t great either.
I still go on Reddit when I find the answer to a specific problem, or if I have to ask something specific, but I make sure to go on my computer with adblock
A lot of subs never really got a foothold outside of Reddit. I tried to do what I could and I’m still trying my best but I’m only one guy and I’m not good at making content. Barely anyone from the BrandoSando subs came, the incremental games community gave up before it even started, no community that I know has had a successful offshoot in the fediverse.
yeah, the sheer breadth of obscure topics that were able to form a sizeable enough group on reddit is so fragile and special and hard to replicate. such a shame.
Never been part of that community personally, but thanks for helping to support the platform. Even if you’re not seeing much traction, it’s appreciated. What would you think of picking the most engaging Reddit content and migrate it here to help boost community size? Or maybe posting to Reddit with a watermark/credit leading to your Lemmy community?
Reddit didn’t start that specific, the best thing to grow Lemmy is be active in broad communities, not brandosando but books. When books grows large enough then a sanderverse community can be spun off, but trying to be over specialized just dilutes the users into small inactive communities.
This right here. Reddit started with very general based topics and only later did smaller niche subs take off.
Lemmy will get there. It’s just a matter of time and it’s only been a few months since the Great Reddit Migration of '23.
By this time next year, or maybe 18 months out, once instances become normalized and settled, with user tools to help find and organize them, Lemmy will then start to cause large dents in Reddit’s user base.
I was a frequent visitor of the BrandoSando subs. I just haven’t found anything over here, though. Got any links? I’ll join up and try to contribute, but I’m like you. I’m not great or consistent in content creating either.
It’s on sffa.community. But that’s another problem. I think a lot of communities besides the main ones on here thought they’d just make a community and people would start posting. They didn’t post anything to bring people in and they didn’t know to go federate their community with other instances. The most active communities here are, !sffgaming, which is me, !brandonsanderson, !imaginarycosmere, and !cosmere .
Thank you! My biggest issue has been I just don’t know how to look for them. I’ve tried searches, but I’m still searching like I would for a subreddit.
It’s a war of attrition. Slow and steady will win this race.
Lemmy, just like Mastodon has seen spikes followed by users leaving. But every spike leaves more users on Lemmy/Mastodon than previously.
Truthfully, in the event another Reddit Exodus, which will happen, we need to try and be more of a content-oriented system during that era. Making more posts and focusing on adding to niches.
Reddit is about Niche communities and Content Saturation. Lemmy isn’t really about that, but it can be for moments at a time to pull users in. At some point we’ll reach a critical mass of users that leads to easier justification for new users to join.
We just need a group of extremely disorganized and disagreeable people to organize and and agree on this.
I think Lemmy would either need to find a way to wean Redditors off of their dopamine machine or replace that dopamine machine long-term to sustain an exodus from Reddit. Either that, or Reddit will need to break their dopamine feedback loop. There are some cracks showing, and that might have already killed the platform in the long term, but it’ll keep going from pure momentum for a while. Maybe as long as months or years.
Seems like there’s more sexists and racists than I used to see over there, which is definitely offputting. I’ve found communities that are supportive of thoughtful discussion are more appealing, and Reddit definitely lacks that lately, outside of some small, relatively niche communities.
Another hurdle is getting game devs to treat Lemmy instances for their games as official points of contact, which is definitely something reddit still has that Lemmy doesn’t, unfortunately.
I like your optimism but theres not a lot of great examples of the little guys winning lately. I’m not sure exactly how, but I predict things end badly for Lemmy. Just seems like a more likely outcome in today’s world. Guessing reddit does ok everyone just ends up a bit more miserable than before. Sorry for being a turd, I just think your prediction is statistically unlikely.
Except Lemmy isn’t a single Lemmy.com that will one day run out of money and implode into nothingness.
Lemmy, Mastodon, and other ActivityPub based Fediverse Networks are muliti-node systems.
This is just pure nihilism without a hint of thought put into it. Nothing short of the world exploding and human annihilation will kill Lemmy, And even then, there are bots.
Bonkers. There is a critical mass that keeps people willing to support it. I can run an original Quake server and find a few people to play with, but distrubuted multinode systems don’t mean a damn without a critical mass user base. Lemmy is far from bulletproof.
I’m not suggesting this social media format will die, it’s just likely that a corporate entity will develop a lemmy alternative that becomes more popular and causes fatal atrophy or Reddit will get new leadership and Lemmy hopefuls will cross back over if content development here is slower than the collective patience. I’m pro Lemmy FYI, I just don’t understand the unbridled optimism about it’s future.
Reddit also gets a little bit worse every spike, too. There are few mods remaining on Reddit who are doing anything more interesting for their communities than basic spam removal. Automod does all the work when all the largest subs just repost the same content and fake stories anyway.
It’s not like going to implode or anything anytime soon but the quality (from my perspective at least) has totally flatlined since June because why would anyone in their right mind invest creative energy into cultivating a unique community? I think that eventually a Lemmy community will pop up that simply couldn’t exist on Reddit and will serve to illustrate why I believe this model is better.
There is still some new content (rocket league videos come to mind) that is hard to move to a federated platform, because video streaming is expensive.
Yeah, reddit admins won. Most people don’t care and at this point its hard to see what the admins could do to start a real exodus. Hell, my reddit usage is way down, but I still go there for niche subjects (anime, philosophy) because nowhere else is comparable.
Anime has more broad appeal but the philosophical community on Lemmy seems virtually non-existent. Reddit even had graduate students/professors answering questions on r/askphilosophy. And r/askhistorians had even more success. It’s going to take a while for that to be replicated here.
they may have won this battle but the war is still ongoing. reddit is a public company, and it is a modern website, which means it is going to get shittier and shittier and it is never going to stop. i still go there for sports and news but anything of substance or merit i try to share here instead because fuck them. i think over time it’ll hollow itself out even more.
I don’t think they are public yet, the reason they pulled their little stunt in the first place is to prep for their IPO release. I think the general uproar probably set them back a while, but I’m sure the IPO is coming.
Not yet, don’t think they were expecting the revolt they ended up with. Investors aren’t going to be too excited to buy an IPO whose consumers are that upset when they try to monetize their platform.
I wouldn’t say that it worked, more that it did some damage. They are still going to go public, which means it’s going to eventually be fully monetized. This just did some damage to their quarterly, which is still a win in my book.
IMO reddit won but only by engaging a new audience. It removed the 1 post per subreddit on the front page without an announcement, modified the upvote algorithm to make upvote numbers seem larger than they are, and comments per upvote are lower than 10 years ago. Basically engagement is way down for people who use it like a forum aggregate. But engagement is way up by people who are migrating off of Instagram and similar platforms. I used to feel weird about being on reddit but now I have my wife’s 20 mostly female coworkers asking me about it. Reddit has a new audience it appeals to and it’s creating a weird issue because for some dumbass reason they thought the unpaid engagement generators would stick around after they fucked everything up for a few short term dollars.
I cant say they won all around. As a tech guy, now when i look up tech info and click on a reddit link 90% of the top answers are deleted(including all mine from the last 12 years).
Before the exidus, Reddit was already a painful hassle to use, unable to view many normal subreddits now, 80% of my screen taken up by login and cookie warnings, forcing logins, asking if you want the app multiple times. Slow, clunky, broken UI.
IF i want to give info to the Reddit people, i only post links to topics over on Lemmy.
It’s funny because I wasn’t even using a 3rd party app so this didn’t really affect me but it was better to leave reddit then instead of waiting for something that will affect me. That and I love open source.
My search results keep wanting me to go to Reddit. I’m trying to avoid it, but it keeps calling.
I’m not scrolling there like I did before the “Spez killed the 3rd party app migration”. I miss the level of engagement and ease of finding communities. Lemmy is decent, but the post volume is lacking. If I scroll new now, and again 12 hours later, there’s not much new stuff before I see the stuff from last time.
I remember when there was a huge amount of complaints when Reddit updated and the top posts started cycling multiple times per day (or per hour) instead of hanging around most of the day
I just want non monetized media to survive in the future. not everything has to be designed to be addictive and for profit so it’s just sad that people couldn’t hold out from reddit long enough to make a difference or just plain don’t care
a lot of folks just use the app for their content and its not really that deep, its an unnoticeable change if you werent using 3rd party stuff anyways
though im not sure why people still like the app, its attrocius but then again people liked apollo and apple products for some reason and them hoes ugly asf interfaces too
Wiithout sugar coating it, lemmy sucks (for viewing content like reddit. discussion is a bit better on lemmy kinda). theres no active niche communities and the only content is about israel and linux. the porn sucks too its just pictures so lemmy isnt a very attractive place for reddit people.
If sit down at my desk and use my pc I’ll click the old Reddit bookmark and go on for about 5 minutes. That has only happened about 3 times since Apollo shut down. I almost exclusively used my phone for Reddit before that. Now I bounce between Voyager and YouTube. YouTube for background noise while I’m working, Voyager when I’m idle.
Try Kagi. I’m totally hooked. It’s a refreshing search experience and you can rank reddit as a lower level site so it can still come up, but less likely to be at the top of your search list all the time.
I have a similar experience, only visiting reddit for stuff like tech problems and very niche communities. I had never willingly visited the reddit homepage since.
There are a lot of posts now on lemmy compared to before the reddit fiasco but is not like the activity on reddit. The good thing though is that it made me stop my habit of mindlessly scrolling through endless content.
yeah having switched to linux recently it’s pretty much impossible to go without reddit. sure, superuser and generally linux forums do have a bunch of answers, but a lot are on reddit as well.
Too many top linux answers are gone now and i dont really find reddit very usefull for finding answers to linux problems anymore unless its a brand new problem with alot of people suddenly posting about it.
IDK, I just know I had to visit reddit quite a few times when googling linux stuff. maybe it’s because I’m still new and looking for relatively basic stuff
Naw fam, I’ve been using Linux for years and I still goto Reddit threads for problem solving. I’m not like a guru or anything but I’m not new. I’ll try other sources first but I have no problem going to Reddit second.
Instead of complaining about why people stay on Reddit, perhaps you should focus more on improving Lemmy communities, so that people don’t feel a need to return.
While I do like it here, it is very quiet, even when it comes to popular subjects like football, pro wrestling, anime, etc - the sort of stuff that Reddit still excels at.
What I miss are the gaming communities. There is no talk about games I play on Lemmy, just general gaming communities and I never browsed r/gaming either. Biggest let-down: PoE even has a dedicated Lemmy instance but it’s empty and abandoned.
There is just not enough demand because only a minor fraction of reddit users got hit by the 3rd-party app slaughter. The vast majority doesn’t care and still stayed on reddit. It was the expected outcome.
Hot take of the day: What doesn’t help with this is how fractured communities are throughout the instances. What I mean by this is if I subscribe to “World News” on lemmy.world, I won’t see the posts from the same type community on other instances, like “World News” on beehaw, in my subscriber feed unless I subscribe to them too (or someone crossposts). This adds an unnecessary level of micro-management and probably also drives people away from Lemmy. The biggest strength of Lemmy is so-to-speak also its biggest weakness.
Wow, is that last point true? I guess I misunderstood how federation worked big time. I thought by subscribing to something like “news”, I was supposed to receive all posts and comments to those posts from all whitelisted instances like some kind of syndication. Is that not actually how it works?
Idk if that’s even a hot take. It’s something I’ve talked to several people about and honestly one of the reasons I don’t think lemmy will end up growing much past its current user base. Too much micromanaging when most people just want to see content that interests them.
That doesn’t work, though. If I add posts and comments to, let’s say, a Brazilian Jiu-jitsu community on Lemmy, that’s just one more number. That isn’t going to improve.
Reddit had a huge boost from Digg, and even then, it was a different time when fewer numbers were fine, and people were more willing to engage in social media at lower numbers.
If Lemmy instances are to grow, that engagement needs to be directed. It needs popular communities to be highlighted, and once consistent interaction is there, growing communities need instance owners to direct traffic/engagement their way. That’s how subs like /r/soccer got off the ground, and it’s probably the only way it’ll happen on Lemmy.
I’ve been fighting to get my community off the ground and even though I do get a small amount of engagement no one else has made any posts and I honestly wonder if it’ll ever get anywhere. I need to come up with something more interesting to do than I have been.
I personally have not seen very many Lemmy posts return on Google searches, if at all. It’s not apparent whether or not they are indexed at all, and I would imagine that’s a big vector for new user engagement.
Many of the subs I spent a lot of time posting on are completely dead, bar maybe a few people that contribute 90% of all posts and comments. Others simply don’t exist, and given that they were quite niche (local subs, anime subs) there’s absolutely no way that they’ll ever get noticed on Lemmy if something like pro wrestling has next to no posts/comments.
IMO, the only way this will improve is a combined effort from Lemmy instances to highlight great communities, and to drive people towards ones that are growing.
Personally, there are some smaller communities that exist on Reddit that just don’t exist on Lemmy, or have inactive communities. The other option for some of those communities is Twitter, so I’d much rather just check Reddit. I also don’t expect my local towns subreddit to move to Lemmy from Reddit. I think it’s less about returning to Reddit and more so wanting to participate in small communities that exist in Reddit.
Tbf, now that I’ve jumped over here and gotten comfortable, its nice that lemmee itself isnt abusive, but good god are the communists here fucking retarded. And I say this as someone who liked the ideals of communism. Its like how I liked the Idea of Telsas until I met Tesla owners
Edit: Lmao the most controversial part of this statement is merely one of the words I used. One of the things I appreciate about Lemmy is that it shows both the up and downvotes
Since I have been a child the word retard has NOT been used for people with developmental disabilities, it has only ever been used to describe people who’ve done something incredibly stupid that they had the capacity not to do. In fact, I have worked with low and high functioning people with developmental disabilities, and one of the high function people actually told me to use the word when he’s being stupid, as I was using the word goof before, and that had unfortunate prison meanings that the resident didnt like.
My roommate is autistic and was in the special classes. He thinks it’s funny to be called a retard when he’s, you know, being retarded. He actively tells me not to stop doing it. Hell, he’s the one who told me it was fine to begin with, haha
Hey! It doesn’t matter if people say they are ok with it! White people are fixing the world by doing nothing but creating limitations to how we speak! Can’t you understand how that’s better?
Look at Latin-x and how it isn’t usable by anyone that actually speaks Spanish and was entirely conceived of by rich kids in universities in America! It’s just obviously better when we let others define our entire interactions with the world and immediately get upset to try to shame anyone not conforming to the point that shame isn’t even usable because no one feels it anymore.
Nah man, I’m just not down for constantly keeping up to date with the treadmill of what words are and arent appropriate… especially for insults, which have never been meant to be appropriate. I dont fucking care if your feelings are so fragile that relatively tame words can hurt you
Someone knowing using hurtful, bigoted language and claiming they didn't "mean it like that" is asinine and disingenuous. Using deliberately incorrect terminology nearly everyone will misinterpret and then complaining when they do is placing yourself upon a cross. It's a pathetic level of discourse usually outgrown by middle school.
You’re assuming barely anyone keeps up with what the minority of people decide isn’t okay to say anymore. Twitter isn’t the world. Lemmy isn’t the world. Reddit isn’t the world. There may be millions of users, but the average person doesn’t give a shit about any of these platforms.
If you think ableist pejoratives targeting neurodivergences and metal impairments are only present on social media, you need to touch some fucking grass. That shit hasn't been OK in decades. South Park even did an apologetic episode on it more than a decade ago which means the discussion was mainstream. And you should 100% not be taking social cues from that show.
Then that's a more honest response than your earlier one. It's not that you don't understand that others may be hurt by your language even though it's not a word you personally ever used to describe developmental disabilities, it's just that you don't give a shit.
Good on you for owning it (on the second try), I guess.
I dont fucking care if your feelings are so fragile that relatively tame words can hurt you
You mean like developmentally disabled people you work with who may have good reasons to be sensitive about certain words? I guess since one of those people said he was cool with it he speaks for all of them. I'm sure none of them have ever been hurt by hateful people using the R word about them.
Nah man, I’m just not down for constantly keeping up to date with the treadmill of what words are and arent appropriate… especially for insults
50+ years old and in my entire life this isn't something I've found to be mentally taxing to keep up with. This is truly the flimsiest excuse I've ever seen for using shitty language. Just stick with "I don't fucking care."
Do you really not know that people can have multiple different reasons and motivations for their behaviours and actions? I’ve been honest this entire time, there are slurs I absolutely wont use because of their history and the immediate harm they cause, but retard isnt one of them, so my earlier explaination still stands. Its also true that people that get offended on others behalf annoy me and I dont care when I offend them. If I PERSONALLY offend someone for something that they PERSONALLY struggle with? I care in that scenario and I mark it down mentally to adapt to their needs and not hurt them again. You are a stranger on the internet, I dont care about you, I dont have the emotional space to. I didnt casually use the spicy word, I used it specifically as an insult towards people who I’ve been dealing with dogshit takes from. To be clear, I NEVER called any of my clients Retard, and this client I only did for them, after they requested it, and even then it made me uncomfortable because using that word to refer to someone with developmental disabilities IS gross. Nuance exists. And yes, I’m tired of the treadmill. I have Aspergers syndrome and now the treadmill is trying to tell me that not only did the DSM take that diagnosis away, I’m now not allowed to refer to my high functioning autism as Aspergers since the guy whom it was named after was a nazi, even though my autism has NEVER BEEN about that guy, and IM THE PERSON WHO HAS the diagnosis.
I can capitalise whatever letters I damn well please, and like I said in another reply, insults by their nature have never been appropriate, and by their very nature are frowned upon.
You know, not too long ago the same argument you’re making was made for the word cunt with regard to sexism instead of ableism. Just food for thought is all.
In this instance being a cunt to the idiots was my exact point. I dont care for their stupid ass opinions, and I dont for yours. IRL I make it a point to avoid people as sensitive as you as its more rewarding to spend my time around people who arent as fragile and sensitive
lmao, if the word Retard is too scary for you, what makes you think cunt will scare me off the internet. I’m perfectly capable of just blocking you when I get tired of thos conversation
It’s not the word that I give a shit about; I just abhor people that opt to not attempt to use a modicum of respect when talking to other people. That word offends people for very specific reasons, and I (and most other people) phased it out of using it as a pejorative a long time ago.
If you want to act like a fucking child; keep on keeping on. You should block me now.
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