hark,
@hark@lemmy.world avatar

Do memes stop being memes when they’re on tiktok?

S_204,

Once they hit TikTok, they’re purely Chinese spyware.

Reddfugee42,

And that’s different than American spyware in several important ways, such as…

Such as…

Well shit.

Tlaloc_Temporal,
@Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca avatar

Eh, I used to think this too, but TikTok isn’t closely associated with chinese companies, any more than TakeTwo or anything made in Shenzhen.

I still abhor it for what it is though, alongside YTShorts.

hark,
@hark@lemmy.world avatar

What sort of spyware do they employ?

S_204,

The worst kind.

hark,
@hark@lemmy.world avatar

Any actual information on the spyware or nah?

S_204,

Are you actually this ignorant? There have been exposés in multiple international newspapers on the source code after it leaked.

If you’re so stupid that you’ve entirely missed one of the largest spyware scandals in recent history, then I don’t think there’s a source I can give you that’s going to cure your other stupidity.

Trying to jaq off here like you are just makes you look like pathetic.

hark,
@hark@lemmy.world avatar

Could you link to any source that talks about this spyware or are you just going to insult me for not knowing about every single thing that is going on? Clearly this is an important issue for you, so I would love to gain some knowledge from you on this subject.

markon,

Facebook is just American spyware. The Chinese gov can’t exactly send the feds to my house. You better bet the US gov can though!

SuperSpruce,

Forget countries, if Facebook is like having a prying eye spy on you, TikTok is like having 100 prying eyes spying on you.

frozen,
@frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz avatar

This is why I wrote a Telegram bot that uses yt-dlp to convert videos and send them directly to people. My friend group all use different socials, Facebook, tiktok, Twitter, Lemmy, etc., and the bot will take the link, download the video, then send it back to the person, and then they can forward it to whatever chats they want.

It’s been pretty fucking handy. That is, if your friends use Telegram.

cashews_best_nut,

Brian is that you?

Are you any good at Japanese yet?

frozen,
@frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz avatar

Indeed.

I thought I was getting okay at the basics, but actually visiting Japan taught me that I definitely was not. But I’m starting classes later this year, hope to become fluent eventually.

Adderbox76,

I’ll usually tell him that the sound isn’t working when I open it in the browser and I’m not downloading the app. But he keeps… on… trying…

UltraMagnus0001,

Facebook videos for me

LemmyIsFantastic,

Meh, I use tiktok, and that’s fine. You’ll use lemmy and get the content a week later after it’s been in reels for a bit.

Insert family guy you think you’re better than me meme.

Astrealix,
@Astrealix@lemmy.world avatar

I’m good having my data stolen by one country, don’t need to involve a second lol

LemmyIsFantastic,

Oh no, they see I’m watching Gaffigan and watch cars! Horrors!

Astrealix,
@Astrealix@lemmy.world avatar

I’m from Hong Kong. People have been sentenced to prison for wearing shirts with some of the words I have said. lol.

LemmyIsFantastic,

And I should be concerned as someone outside of China because? The vast majority of users here have absolutely zero chance of reprisal.

Gabu,

Free Hong Kong, Taiwan #1

JackbyDev, (edited )

Share -> Save Video

starman2112,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

Copy link, paste into browser incognito

daltotron, (edited )

Tiktok sucks so hard, but then occasionally I find a minor nugget of wisdom or a piece of information so helpful that it makes me keep the app. Just the other day, some said he applies antiperspirant to his feet in order to keep them warm, because then they’ll sweat less, and will get less cold in the socks. I didn’t even really know that was a problem I was really having, but now, I will never have cold feet again. There’s also always eelfeel, so I’m alright with it as a whole.

More broadly I do hate how kind of walled off the app is. I try to share videos on snapchat, oof, snapchat cuts it off so it’s only the first five seconds of a video. Best to send the link, but then, if you don’t have tiktok downloaded, it takes you either to the app store, or it hits you with the shitty web browser. Maybe fine for seeing a single tiktok, on mobile, but it’s pretty bad on desktop since it’s not formatted for it, and overall it, just is kind of ass to deal with, especially on repeat. Hate the modern internet.

Edit: Sorry, nvm, I guess I didn’t understand that we were fearmongering about the evil chinese technology brainwashing our youths with their wiles in this comments section.

can,

At least patched with ReVanced or something similar.

cashews_best_nut,

Putting antiperspirant on your feet sounds deeply unnatural, chaotic and satanic. It’s the kind of thing that will result in a sock-related early death.

eguidarelli,

Don’t knock it till you’ve tried it. I myself am intrigued!

TrickDacy,
@TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

Sorry, nvm, I guess I didn’t understand that we were fearmongering about the evil chinese technology brainwashing our youths with their wiles in this comments section.

Did something about Lemmy make you think we avoid the truth here?

daltotron,

This shit is Vine. We had this same social media platform in 2013, basically. Everyone’s just freaking out about it now because it’s owned by china, and everyone’s been made to worry about threats to national security, even though we can all kind of agree that the american government also sucks and is heinous. It’s giving me some “Only I can bully my little brother!” kinds of vibes. It’s like the same shit as when europeans get brought up, at any point, anywhere, and then americans start making fun of british people having bad teeth and knife crime and stuff, even though they have basically all of that but worse. Nobody’s a nationalist until another country gets brought up, and then suddenly everyone’s the most patriotic proud to be an american motherfucker. It’s cringe. It reminds me of when we started calling them “freedom fries”.

TrickDacy,
@TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah I’ve heard all this before. Basically you’re advocating for people to opt into spying because their own government does it. No thanks

daltotron,

Yeah I think that would be cool. I think we should all be spied on. I think we should all submit everything we’ve ever done to every authority. Every time I’m taking a shit, I record a small video and save it to my publically active telegram channel that’s full of dead al-qaeda members and federal agents posing as them. So dictates the holy doctrine.

If you want to have a lot of fun, you can let the chinese government and the US government spy on you at the same time!

I dunno, it’s moreso the fact that people don’t bring up how every other web service is spyware whenever they get brought up. You get a fair number of those complaints, and more on lemmy, where everyone is a linux focused privacy psycho, sure, but I think the disproportionate level of shit flung at tiktok isn’t really organic, and people aren’t judging the app on the actual merit of the thing. If you wanted to, you could pretty easily fling shit at tiktok on the basis that you can’t really control what it is you’re watching at all, and so it can very easily take advantage of people who have no self control. You could judge it on the basis that they implement policies to curate their content pretty heavily to be more attractive (eliminate the uglies). You could judge it on the basis that the platform basically has no active moderation to police speech and will allow very obviously white supremacist and conspiratorial content to flourish. All of those are pretty true criticisms.

But instead, people don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about, and they just want to fearmonger about chinese invasion some more. What I’m saying is that the claims spiral into shit like all the kids being brainwashed, on the basis that china has it’s own tiktok, doyun or whatever, you know, when that doesn’t make any fucking sense and those two ideas aren’t really logically connected. China has it’s own everything, for the most part, they exist behind a curtain. Obviously, if they have their own tiktok, which no duh they will, it’s gonna be controlled by the chinese government, and then the chinese government is gonna spin that so their censorship is for the good of the people and for the good of the kids. But then instead, people will accept that claim at face value, and use it to turn around and say that the chinese are brainwashing our kids, when ironically they’ve just bought chinese propaganda. That’s the type of shit I’m talking about. There’s no like, measurement, or self-awareness, of what actually there is to hate about china, people just end up kind of talking shit based on the points that they’ve been fed by propagandists who benefit from their ignorance. People would just as easily hate tiktok if it was censored by the chinese on the basis that “this content isn’t beneficial to society, this content is” type shit, and people actually do already criticize tiktok for that because they’re full of shit and can’t make up their mind and believe the app to basically just be controlled by some foreign red menace government.

Do you see where I’m coming from? People that aren’t willing to actually understand the shit they’re talking about, they just hear a surface level narrative and then decide to parrot that unflinchingly, and then, duh, of course that narrative is gonna be a tool to, in this instance, try to take a bite out of a foreign company in order to get them more tapped into US intelligence, and allow US intelligence more access to their data, while at the same time providing US business interests with a neat and shiny new toy.

markon, (edited )

It’s so silly. Lol like Google can hand over everything to the feds and they can harass you, arrest you for dumb shit, fuck with your family, jobs etc. China can’t do much to me over here. Plus if they wanna spy on me they can just see what’s already public. I’ve never seen evidence TikTok actually gathers or sends anything off that Meta/Facebook or Google does. I mean, can’t these people run a packet capture program? Jeez. Smartphones are corporate controlled spy devices already, so if you’re using one you’re already pretty blown. The problem isn’t TikTok, or the CCP spying on Americans. It’s the spying itself no matter who’s doing it. Plus fucking Blackrock owns 40% of Bytedance. We got our hands in everything. Anyone who thinks the US government can be trusted more than China, and lives in the US is insane. Unless you’re Chinese and have family over there. Then it’s a real problem.

Anyway. Who’s more likely to give the feds everything? China or Google. I don’t think China will give them shit. It’s a moot point anyway because most of US TikTok is handled by servers in the US by a legal US corporation (owned by Bytedance of course). When Blackrock owns 40% though why are we even talking about this stupid shit. It’s a distraction from all the companies and gov here in merica’ fucking us. The CCP sucks ass, they’re horrible, I don’t really trust Bytedance with my data, but I don’t trust Google either.

I don’t get it. Just seems like a bunch of grumpy old millennials. I’d hoped we would be different.

markon,

Oh also shout out for the amazing MPV and yt-dlp lol. Fuck em all. Get yer’ ships ready lads.

vsh,
@vsh@lemm.ee avatar

I’m in this photo and I don’t like it.

Philharmonic3,

Waaaaaaah waaaaah it’s fine. Tiktok isn’t gonna kill you.

21Cabbage,

I’ve certainly been trying to get people into the fediverse and off the corporate side of things but yeah, I’m currently sitting at 0 conversions. It’s made for some fun conversations though.

The_Picard_Maneuver,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

It feels like we’ve reached a critical mass to maintain, which was important, but now it’s just a matter of getting the word out.

21Cabbage,

We’ve got the culture and to put it simply a place to go to. The barrier for new entry is just that we are all, put simply, nerds with our communities focused around that. The fediverse’s main problem overall is honestly just that the majority of the population are corporatists whether they know it or not.

CubitOom,

What if there were a service to convert ticktock videos into Lemmy posts? Would that be a good thing?

RaoulDook,

No, I don’t want to see that brainwashing garbage. It’s curated to wreck the brains and society of Western democracies.

Everyone should have heard about this by now, but China’s version of TikTok is vastly different than ours. It is limited to mostly educational content and has built-in screen time limits. They know what is bad about our version of it, and it’s on purpose.

CubitOom,

I’m not asking if any platform is better than Lemmy.

I’m asking if it would be good to facilitate the ability to post the user generated content from a terrible platform to Lemmy.

GluWu,

No. That’d be like having your family owned restaurant cook Mr Beast burgers.

CubitOom,

Wouldn’t it be more like having your family owned restaurant cook dishes using user posted recipes from food.com?

It’s user generated content in both analogies. It’s still valid content no matter which platform it was originally posted too.

If a Lemmy user posts a ticktock video to Lemmy then how would it be different then a Lemmy user posting a YouTube video to Lemmy?

RaoulDook,

You can go ahead and point out where I mentioned Lemmy in my prior comment. But I will address that now, and of course TikTok is not better than Lemmy.

But what my prior comment was about is that the content from TikTok is unhealthy for the mind. Therefore Lemmy should not host it at all.

I already downvote the porn posts that are just dancing hoes from TikTok. Or anything with that watermark on it. Everyone who cares about mental health and reducing propaganda and misinformation should join me in doing so.

Gabu,

You’re literally insane

CubitOom,

There are a few reasons I can think of that Lemmy is a better platform than ticktock.

  • ticktock uses an algorithm to drive engagement and keep users on the platform for as long as possible, recommending posts that it thinks the user will like or hate. Lemmy doesn’t do this.
  • I’ve never actually used ticktock so I’m not sure if it’s possible to block content in the same way but the ability to block users, communities, and entire instances is I think one of Lemmy’s best features.
  • there are no ads on lemmy.

Now for the content in question, my understanding is that it’s entirely user generated. Just like Lemmy, reddit, YouTube, Etc. It’s not like the Chinese government is making American women film themselves dancing and then forcing them to post it on ticktock. That’s just what that person wanted to make and post and ticktocks algorithm is recommending it.

With that being said, there are potentially useful, funny, or important content that might be uploaded to ticktock by a user, the same way that girl dancing video was. If that happened, wouldn’t make sense to move that content to a platform without many of the down sides of the ticktock platform?

LemmyIsFantastic,

You are well beyond reefer madness levels of fear and paranoia.

bobs_monkey,

This was verified by a number of independent researchers. 60 Minutes even did a full segment on it.

TrickDacy,
@TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

This user is a troll, so you can safely ignore them

bobs_monkey,

From what I can see, it seems like their opinions go against the grain of the Lemmy userbase. They don’t seem to be intentionally antagonizing people.

TrickDacy,
@TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

Right, normal people have negative thousands of karma. Thanks for the gaslighting brah

bobs_monkey, (edited )

I think you don’t really grasp the concept of a hivemind, where users of a platform tend to have collective set of views deemed acceptable and unacceptable by the community. It doesn’t necessarily make them wrong, it just means that it is a view or opinion that runs contrary to that of the community. Reddit was a shit show for that (and I know you came from there due to your use of karma), and Lemmy has it too. The entire purpose of the up vote/downvote system is to increase/decrease comment ranking based on users perception of comment quality, though people tend to use it to show disapproval (as you did with my previous comment). There is no "normal’ when it comes to this, as it is entirely dependent on the instance and subcommunity’s collective views.

Furthermore, let me introduce you to the actual definition of gaslighting, per Merriam Webster:

1 : psychological manipulation of a person usually over an extended period of time that causes the victim to question the validity of their own thoughts, perception of reality, or memories and typically leads to confusion, loss of confidence and self-esteem, uncertainty of one’s emotional or mental stability, and a dependency on the perpetrator
2 : the act or practice of grossly misleading someone especially for one’s own advantage

Now, in what way did I gaslight you?

markon,

Yeah but they’re just distracting from the domestic surveillance that is oppressively bad. I’ve never seen a compelling argument TikTok is somehow more dangerous to use than Facebook. At least for a US Citizen with no family in China. But you go out explaining how you’ll assassinate Xi on any platform they could send somebody to take you out. Anyone who trusts any company or government with their data is naive.

bobs_monkey,

I think it’s more in that each platform has their differences as far as consumption, and possible behavior setting/modification, in which they’re both detrimental. It’s not secret that algorithms are used to keep the user engaged, and that so-called ragebait is a huge engagement driver. Facebook is somewhat of a link aggregator meets microblogging (ie status updates), while tiktok just feeds an endless loop of short videos. I would imagine (though I don’t have stats or sources) that videos keep people glued to their screens more effectively (easier than reading), and could be more troubling.

RaoulDook,

Nope, you are in denial about it or lying about it on purpose. As the other replies mentioned, what I said was independently verified as true.

Notyou,

I’m not in TikTok or anything but isn’t that something China would of course do? Like they are trying to push their app to a country that loves FREEDOM. Why would they limit content based on their controls in place in their country?

RaoulDook,

Look at how their app captures every keystroke of every user, and you’ll have your answer.

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