LemmyRefugee,

And what about Spain with cookies, or Instagram? A lot of places now either force you to accept tracking or pay to stop ads/tracking if you want to access the site.

InFerNo,

I thought the directive says that when cookies are denied you cannot deny the service.

Mio,

I don’t get WHY I have to choose. Default should be reject all. If there is no reject then just accept it. How hard can this be to get on the Internet?

I hate the cookie popup.

betterdeadthanreddit,

Those might be the terms of service they started with but a little “Inspect Element” and editing means I agreed to something else entirely.

LemmyIsFantastic, (edited )

Boomer logic +1

But fuck they wouldn’t know how to edit…

betterdeadthanreddit,

I was imagining a computer-literate sovcit trying their buffoonery with websites. Some do exist and probably have a couple decades of being the “smart” one since they know how to program a VCR (at least among their crowd of VCR-recognizing buddies) even though they’ll still call the whole desktop computer a CPU.

They’re dangerous because, like religious nuts or law misinterpreters, it’s another complex subject they can incorporate into hand-wavey explanations you can boil down to “Tech works in mysterious ways”.

mlg,
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This reminds me of how when reddit closed their API, a select few just went to web scraping it instead lol.

Scubus,

I don’t care about your terms of service. You can attempt to stop me from using an ad-blocker, but there are ways around that.

If you don’t want me using your service the way I want to, then there should be another service that does the same thing. As long as there is no competition to YouTube, I’ll use it the way I want, TOS be damned.

Sheeple, (edited )
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

And repeat after me: controlling what appears on YOUR screen that YOU OWN is not illegal and in fact, a basic human right of yours

Edit: lmao on the people intentionally misinterpreting what I said. Dude it’s my device, kindly fuck off if you think anyone gets to tell me what I HAVE to put on there

haui_lemmy,

Your iconic username pops up a lot in such discussions. Thanks for being awesome.

Scubus,

Fr I felt like a celeb responded to me

MyDearWatson616,

I block ads too but do you expect them to host one of the world’s largest collections of data just because?

mhague,

Repeat after me: I will have the self-awareness to realize that I made the conscious decision to go to a website and incur server costs. I am not entitled to free content. If I don’t agree with how a website recoups costs, I won’t use that website.

It’s not malware vectors. It’s not fake downloads. It’s short interstitials that let you watch things ‘for free.’ Youtube is not a human right. It’s not water. You can do other things.

CurlyMoustache,
@CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world avatar

What happens on my devices and/or inside my home, I decide. If websites don’t like that, block me. I’m OK with that.

Exusia,
@Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

I agreed to it because there’s no real competition for content, so they own the market by default. If you don’t hit “I agree” to every last stipulation, data provision, and term you dont have access to the the largest library of information, shitposting, and weaponised opinions since dawn of radio or television.

I don’t agree with it. So adblock stays.

MentalEdge,
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You can reject cookies, not the TOS. You agree to the TOS of services by simply using them.

Sheeple,
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

Not in the EU you don’t

MentalEdge,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

Well, you do. But the EU has a bunch of sanity check laws that make basically all of them non-binding.

Such as any agreement too long for anyone to actually read, being moot.

But YT makes it pretty clear they don’t want you blocking ads, that might actually make that specific part one of the few things that would stand up in court.

Stovetop,

BY ACCESSING THIS SITE YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOUTUBE (HEREBY REFERRED TO AS THE “PLATFORM”) HAS THE ABILITY TO FORCE YOU (HEREBY REFERRED TO AS THE “SCHMUCK”) TO AGREE IN PROXY TO ANY ABSURD CONDITION THE PLATFORM DECIDES, AMENDABLE AT ANY TIME WITHOUT NOTICE, AND WITH STIPULATION THAT THE SCHMUCK MAY NEVER EVER CHALLENGE THE PLATFORM IN COURT OR EVEN LOOK AT THE PLATFORM THE WRONG WAY WHILE WALKING BY ONE ANOTHER IN THE HALL, LEST IT HURT THE PLATFORM’S FEELINGS.

blender2142,

By using the service, you agree to the TOS. What you are “rejecting all” to are cookies. Still scummy behavior tho

tyler, (edited )

You can’t agree to it until you visit the website and actually read it. Your logic doesn’t really follow

Edit: for those downvoting here’s an article from the EFF agreeing with me. eff.org/…/clicks-bind-ways-users-agree-online-ter…

However, courts generally do not require that you actually have read the terms, but just that you had reasonable notice and an opportunity to read them.

echo64,

Nope. Not how it works. You don’t have to agree to anything. You don’t have to read anything. The provider has to inform you, which they do even if you block it.

tyler, (edited )

Edit: here’s the EFF agreeing with me. If you don’t read any of the below then you should still read this. eff.org/…/clicks-bind-ways-users-agree-online-ter…

——-

That’s literally absolutely unequivocally incorrect. I have no clue why you think that but even a cursory glance at Wikipedia would have shown you you’re incorrect. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_service

If you want more information you can go ahead and read up on GDPR or one of the numerous other laws around the world stating exactly the opposite of what you’re saying.

Here’s some links for you.

…yola.com/…/360011549640-Creating-GDPR-compliant-…

www.contractscounsel.com/t/us/terms-of-service

And if you had actually watched the Louis Rossman video someone linked below, he literally discusses these things.

I’m sorry but you’re just completely wrong.

Lucidlethargy,

I don’t believe you’re correct about this. Corporations love your take here, though. They absolutely have entire teams of lawyers that push this narrative as best they can.

CaptPretentious,

Considering many internet providers now have bandwidth caps, it is my policy do not allow arbitrary data on my network (aka ads). It’s also my policy that my policy supersedes any arbitrary terms of services. And that any platform accessing my network henceforth retroactively accepts my policy and terms of service.

LemmyIsFantastic, (edited )

Then don’t use YouTube. Go find another provider giving out content for free.

This is digital sovereign citizen bullshit. You were informed and it’s your call to accept or reject.

astronought,

The sense of self-entitlement is high on Lemmy

maynarkh,

You could send that in a HTTP header, with the stipulation that the server responding would accept the terms.

TropicalDingdong,

At a certain point, the world of the closed internet is going to face the issue of discovery, which is the only reason that they were successful in the first place.

Its really a great time for foss or fedi. It hasn’t been easier to compete with established players (like it is now) in a decade.

Krafting,
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renzev,

Oh, he’s on odysee? Nice!

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