I think intent plays a role here. If the goal is to incite a reaction or to hurt a population by publicly burning something that they care about, it’s probably not a great to do
One of those things where you know when you see it, but it’s hard to define explicitly.
If anything, it might help as a temporary measure to reduce tensions and inflammatory incidents
I get that doing things the “right way” can be difficult when in an existential war, but I’m having trouble thinking of any goals with these assassinations that aren’t highly concerning.
Works out pretty well for him, considering the west is just about done with caring about Ukraine and is dropping support across the board. Soon he will successfully claim the valuable parts of Ukraine he started the war over.
Lol, the headline makes it sound like they were just so belligerent about being told to stop taking pictures of themselves that they flipped the boat out of spite.
Can I expect similar protections for The Satanic Verses, or is this another instance of religion being afforded a special status with the power to control non-adherents lives?
And if they weren’t, Hamas was using them as human shields. If they weren’t, then they should have obeyed Israel’s directives to evacuate. If they did, then they shouldn’t have voted for Hamas. If they didn’t, then they shouldn’t have been born on land Israel wants.
I feel like it is understood through that lens by the people that care to read up and be informed about the world. I just don’t know what can be done, usa will never drop support for Isreal. Plain and simple.
Excluding dumbasses that try to justify zionist Isreal in their genocide of women and children, and vice versa for hamas supporters and praising the october massacre. I feel like the rest of us hate it but it really feels like a catch 22 situation where there will be no good outcome.
Just like American politics, I look at the situation and I see no “side” to objectively be on. And just like our current system, it appears it’s going to get a whole lot worse before it gets any better.
That scrap of land has not seen peace since the paleolithic, it’s through where most of the first Homo apes came from Africa and spread over the world, and everyone writing down their particular beliefs about whose land it is for future generations to read, has pretty much cemented it as a cursed land for as long as there are people left on the planet.
What “could” be done, would be to evacuateeveryone, then nuke the whole area and make it unlivable for a while… maybe re-nuke it every 10 years for good measure, turn it into something like the Olympics, only for all countries in the world to show off their WMDs… but I still wouldn’t be surprised to see the same factions in hazmat suits getting back to killing each other in the interim.
PS: maybe call it “The Armageddon Games”, that could gain some support 😒
Is this before or after the Hamas war crimes tribunal?
They can do that before or after, but I hope they do both soon. There is no difference between Hamas and Israel’s right-wing government led by Netanyahu.
Because it was Israel’s fault they were attacked on all sides in 1948. I guess this at that point one day old nation shouldn’t have worn such a short, Jewish skirt.
They were attacked because they stole like half of Palestinians land. Palestinians didn’t even get to participate in the UN vote.
Two countries that were recently partitioned by the UN and suffered massive violence as a result (India/Pakistan) both voted against annexing half of Palestine to create Israel.
Yes, the Nakba was Israel’s fault. And they still need to return the land that they stole
Why do I suspect that even if we said, “after”, you would still turn around and object to these Israeli assholes being held accountable if tribunals came to pass?
No, war crime trials are for their other abuses, like killing a record number of journalists, aid workers, doctors, and of course women and children. War crime trials are for cutting off food and water to civilians, and bombing civilian infrastructure. War crime trials are for funneling civilians into “safe zones”, and then bombing them.
But you know that. You just don’t care, as long as the monsters you support win instead of the monsters you don’t support.
I don’t think you are aware of just how small this war is in terms of death toll compared to other wars that are currently going on. There is however a disproportionate number of articles (and thus also journalists) covering it:
This doesn’t meant that one should discard the suffering of the civilians caught in the crossfire. It’s horrible and I weep for every innocent who has to suffer because of the decision a small number of terrorists made - but it’s one thing to acknowledge that they died in this conflict and demand both parties to protect civilians and another entirely to claim that Israel is responsible for a record number of war crimes. Not every dead civilian is a war crime. Neither is not supplying your enemy with resources nor is bombing civilian infrastructure that is being used for military purposes. These safe zones were also established to protect civilians from the bulk of the ground fighting. At no point did Israel make the unrealistic promise that they would be safe from bombs. Given that Hamas operates from there and uses these places to stage massed unguided rocket attacks against civilians in Israel, this would be entirely unrealistic. Nobody in their right mind would deny Israel the right to strike these targets. You would do the same if you were in their place.
You are either willfully ignorant about how wrong what you’re saying is, or you are truly a lost cause.
I don’t think you are aware of just how small this war is in terms of death toll compared to other wars that are currently going on.
And I don’t think you realize just how many insane ratios this war is producing. For being so small, it is resulting in more aid worker, doctor, and journalist deaths than other, much larger wars. It has resulted in level of destruction (e.g. 60% of homes damaged) that hasn’t existed since WW2. The sheer percentages of children being killed versus adults (nevermind combatants), is just staggering.
If your only defense is to say, “but who cares about ratios and percentages?”, then you’re just arguing that it’s okay to genocide small groups.
But I’m suuuuuure you’re just weeping non-stop for them, right?
Neither is not supplying your enemy with resources
They are denying civilians water and food, and Israel is not the ones supplying those resources anyways, other countries are, and Israel is blocking them.
nor is bombing civilian infrastructure that is being used for military purposes
Which the water infra and power plants were not, but they were bombed anyways (and to be clear, Israel has never claimed that they were used to launch attacks, before you try to pull that out of your bum).
At no point did Israel make the unrealistic promise that they would be safe from bombs.
Ah yes, unrealistic to not bomb civilians. Of course. So smart. Why even have stipulations about war crimes, since apparently no one in a warzone can expect not to be killed indiscriminately anyways? Checkmate, human rights!
Given that Hamas operates from there
Hamas doesn’t “operate” from the 60% of residential buildings that have been damaged in Gaza, any more than the IDF could be said to “operate” from Israeli neighborhoods. Israel has shown no evidence (and in fact has been shown to have been dead wrong with their claims, such as at al-Shifa) that they are using the refugee camps and homes and businesses that Israel bombed to launch rockets (if they were all actually rocket launch sites, where were all the people actually living?). Simply having your soldiers live somewhere doesn’t make it a valid target, otherwise the rocket attacks into Israel are all justified too.
There’s a reason that Israel is rapidly losing support on the world stage, and why it’s going to find itself a pariah state before too long.
You would do the same if you were in their place.
When you wake up and find that most of the world is rejecting your country’s claims of conducting a war legitimately, perhaps you should question why, rather than rushing to spew out half-baked justifications and appeals to empathize with an abused group becoming the abusers.
It has resulted in level of destruction (e.g. 60% of homes damaged) that hasn’t existed since WW2.
You need to ignore lots of wars to come to this conclusion. Korea would be one immediately after WW2 that makes this one look like child’s play. More recently, the wars in Chechnya, the Syrian civil war, the Sudanese civil war, the civil war in Myanmar, etc. pp. are all vastly more destructive. There is a single death camp in Syria where Assad had up to 13,000 people murdered.
The sheer percentages of children being killed versus adults (nevermind combatants), is just staggering.
Could this be, because Hamas produces fake numbers to weaponize outrage against Israel? Read this:
Israel is not the ones supplying those resources anyways, other countries are, and Israel is blocking them.
Nonsense. Israel was supplying a significant portion of the strip’s power and electricity, as well as bringing in regular supplies of fuel and food. They stopped this on October 7. Israel has since continued this, even though they are not obliged, and also permitted foreign aid through the border crossing with Egypt. Meanwhile, Hamas have openly stolen a significant portion of these supplies, which is the actual reason why Israel stopped them in the first place. Hamas are the ones stealing from civilians and causing their suffering.
water infra and power plants
There’s only one power plant in Gaza, but you seem to have adopted the Hamas method of just making things up for outrage. I guess it’s rubbing off on you. As for the water infrastructure, do I need to remind you that Hamas is using water pipes to create unguided rockets to fire at Israeli population centers? That’s the actual indiscriminate bombing that few people are willing to talk about.
Why even have stipulations about war crimes, since apparently no one in a warzone can expect not to be killed indiscriminately anyways?
These rules are meant to not encourage the use of human shields, because this turns every group of civilians into a potential target. This isn’t difficult to understand - or at least it shouldn’t be. Many of the regulations of the Geneva Conventions are the least terrible solutions to awful questions. That’s sadly how the world works.
Hamas doesn’t “operate” from the 60% of residential buildings that have been damaged in Gaza
In a single so-called refugee camp in Northern Gaza (it’s a normal suburb with houses - it merely inherited the status due to unique UN rules that solely exist for Palestinians and no other people), almost half of all buildings were rigged with explosives. I’m sure whenever Hamas blows one of these up, it gets added to the amount blamed on Israel, just like when one of the 20% of rockets fired from Gaza falls on Gaza instead of hitting a random target in Israel.
Israel has shown no evidence
Here’s a video that shows rockets being launched right from the middle of a refugee camp:
That’s just one of countless pieces of evidence that you choose to ignore in favor of that one-sided victim narrative of yours.
and in fact has been shown to have been dead wrong with their claims, such as at al-Shifa
You mean where they found weapons and a tunnel with an armored door with a firing port? That one? Or the al-Shifa hospital where a surveillance camera recording shows terrorists bringing in a hostage? Or was that a different al-Shifa?
Simply having your soldiers live somewhere doesn’t make it a valid target, otherwise the rocket attacks into Israel are all justified too.
I can tell you are not even trying to argue in good faith.
your country’s claims
I’m not Israeli.
half-baked justifications
At least I’m not ignoring evidence that is right in the open.
Let me ask you this: How should Israel have reacted to the terror attack on October 7? What would, in your eyes, an appropriate, justified response look like? Please be honest.
You mean where they found weapons and a tunnel with an armored door with a firing port?
Yes, that one. The one where all that was behind that door was a room with 2 cots and a table, where Israel had claimed (complete with a fancy 3D animation) that there was an entire multi-level command center with tens of rooms, housing potentially hundreds of Hamas fighters. That one, that didn’t exist.
Or the al-Shifa hospital where a surveillance camera recording shows terrorists bringing in a hostage?
This is always such a weird argument. Yeah, of course Hamas brought the hostage there for treatment. They were trying to keep them alive. They’re also the government in Gaza, so it would be no different than Israeli military bringing one of their hostages to an Israeli hospital. Are you under the impression that hospitals that treat war wounded are military targets?
Let me ask you this: How should Israel have reacted to the terror attack on October 7? What would, in your eyes, an appropriate, justified response look like? Please be honest.
Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.
Then, I’d say they should have conducted a ground invasion backed with actually targeted strikes on Hamas targets using precision weapons that the US is so enamored with.
and also permitted foreign aid through the border crossing with Egypt
Permitted a pittance, after blocking all of it initially.
I’m not Israeli.
That just makes your caping for their genocide and ethnic cleansing even more ridiculous.
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