No this is what happens when terrorists overwhelm a border crossing and stsrt indiscriminately murdering civilians, then carry their mutilated bodies around as literal flags as they celebrate the murder in the street
I assume you’ve been just as outraged and outspoken about atrocities carried out by the IDF?
Is killing civilians fine as long as they don’t do it too “barbarically” for you?
Should Palestinians just lay back and continue to let the settlers take what little of their homeland they have left? They’re being genocided. They’re fighting back in whatever way they’re capable
“This is WELL beyond anything that Israel has done in the last few decades. Civilians killed during military actions in Gaza are not even remotely similar to this” why? they’re still dead.
Exactly. They’re dead. In the end it doesn’t even matter how they died, they’re just dead. Is one way worse? Yes, but the result is still horrific. They. Are. Dead. Noone can take it back. Does it make worse that crowd applauds the killing? Yes. But same goes for the Israeli crowd (like the one in Kneset) applauding killing terrorist together with their families and children…
The older I am the more disgusted of all the war pigs and warmongers I am. As a teen I scoffled at hippies and their beliefs, today I’d shake their hands. Fuck war, fuck killing, fuck war pigs.
It seems your issue isn’t that civilians are dead, but that you are actually paying attention and seeing it now that it’s happening to the colonizers. When it happens in Gaza you don’t pay attention to the images, you don’t empathize with the families destroyed.
But now there’s a relatively (to all that the IDF has done) small attack from Palestine and suddenly it’s front page news everywhere.
The attack did not occur because of his nationality, it happened because of his religion, because of his bullshit superstitious religion… ya got that…? The guy could have been a sweedish muslim and I bet you 100% and he’d have attacked for some reason based on Islam…again religion. He Could have been an Egyptian Christian and had a beef for the Romans being the executioners of christ…once again religion.
It’s Embarrassing for any nationality when this kind of mindless bad behavior happens, but you can stop debating its about anything but that persons own barbaric, irrational dogmas.
Gotta figure that with the arty and planes bombing Gaza, the Palestinian KIA is the same. So that’s 1200 in a little over 24 hours and counting. Big number.
I’m not sure that will help anything. Some of that land is used for defensive purposes. The normalization agreements with Saudi Arabia, now delayed due to this stupidity, did have provisions for turning land back to Palestinian control. It didn’t seem to make much difference to Hamas.
Hamas is funded and armed by Iran. Iranian leadership really doesn’t want Saudi Arabia to make a formal normalisation agreement with Israel. Hamas leadership is dedicated to maintaining the wealth they gain from being Iranian proxies. The rest of Hamas is dedicated to destroying Israel.
Hamas is also fighting Fatah for control of the West Bank and the Palestinian Authority government. The worse things are for residents of the West Bank, the better it is for Hamas.
So it’s in Hamas’ interests, both as proxies for Iran and for their own in the West Bank, to do everything they can to force the Arab world to choose sides and scupper every normalisation agreement, especially the big daddy Saudi one.
You realize the attacks are coming from Gaza where Israel did pull out, and then the people immediately elected a terrorist group to lead the country. That group then put the destruction of Israel as one of their main platforms.
I mean if anything this is showing why Israel doesn’t withdraw from the West Bank.
the sheer number of Israeli civilian fatalities is staggering. so far the best count only has 80 or so of the dead being military or police and so the rest of the 600 and counting are presumably civilians.
This could see tens of thousands dead, 90% of which will be Palestinian and most of whom had nothing to do with the attacks. It could also be the last hurrah for Hamas.
I honestly don’t understand this one, and I used to do this for a living. Terrorist attacks frequently make sense. 9/11 successfully engaged the US in a “global war on terror.” It resulted in a massive burning of resources and an engagement lasting far longer than anyone anticipated. It failed in that al Qaeda has effectively been rendered inoperative, there was no pan-Arab or pan-Islamic movement that rose up to strike down the current world order, and the leadership did not generally get to retire to a life of quiet reflection. But at least it was comprehensible.
This is looking more like the equivalent of the Charles Manson Helter Skelter attack, where some psychotic thought he could ignite a national race war with an incomprehensible slaughter.
If it were not so big, I’d think it was a red flag operation. It’s just that stupid and the consequences are just that dire. This is handing Bobo exactly what he needs on a silver platter.
Agree. Near as I can figure the normalization of relations between Saudi and Isreal looked like it was going to come together. Both countries are an enemy to Iran. Iran did this to stop that agreement. Also to consider is…
Who funds Hamas? Iran.
Who funds Iran? Russia
it would certainly be in Russia’s interest to deflect the west’s attention from Ukraine
I am not sure “Russia funds iran”. Yes, they both have developed deeper trade relations since trump cut of Iran more. But so have the relations between iran and China increased.
All of these countries try working together in mutual benefit against the west. But I wouldn’t call any of them puppets of another.
saw a translator post elsewhere for these terms as used by Israeli media - critical condition means head wounds, very unlikely to survive; seriously wounded means living changing injuries. if i can find the post again i’ll link.
You realize that all peace talks have failed, because the Palestinian governments refused any deal that required them to recognize Israel’s right to exist. Every deal.
And before that, when Israel accepted the offer by the British, the Palestinians didn’t accept it because the surrounding countries essentially said they would kill all of the Jews in Israel and take the entire area. Which they tried. Twice. And lost. Twice. And in the ceasefire terms, those countries granted Israel those disputed territories. Actually much more than they currently have, as they gave back most of it to Egypt in peace talks with them.
Palestine could have been a country many times over. But they do not want peace. They wants the whole of Israel.
And during all of those time, things have just gotten worse. And the hatred between the two sides grows. But the only thing that has stopped Palestine from being a country is the fact that the governments of Palestine believe negotiations start and stop at having it all.
It’s an interesting read. I’m sure there are better sources, but the 40s-80s were a crazy time, with basically all of their neighbors declaring war on them, Israel managing to hold off five different countries, then the UN stopping the war only to have egypt or syria re-arm and try again. I didn’t know that the USSR was also helping and hindering at various points. Basically all Jewish peoples immediately fled all Arab countries, peppered with other countries whenever there was a rise in anti-jewish sentiments (eg, in Russia).
This is a lie. In the late 70s and early 80s even the PLO was pushing for a two state solution and even removed “Anti-Zionism” from its official goals in the 90s. I’m not going to say everyone in Palestine has always supported one solution or another like you’re saying. I’m not going to say that everyone in Israel wants to eliminate all Palestinians from Israeli territory either, although many do, especially the political powers who blocked the two state solution from the other side during that time. This simplistic reading that Palestinians are nothing more than frothing-mouthed mass-murderers is disgusting especially considering who has had power over whom in recent decades.
War is not a heroic struggle of good vs evil, it is a series of economic and political developments which have been transpiring for decades. There has been a lot of bad behavior generally which lead us to this point. Let’s not offer absurd ideas in times of turmoil like this. That’s not going to help any innocent Palestinian or Isreali civilians getting caught in the crossfire.
Now I imagine the Israeli president will use this like a smoke screen, not only to criticize reservists, but also to hide his criminal intent.
This also helps Saudi Arabia and Syria, as they will be able to hide their military operations under the guise that they are only acting on a more active Israel.
This situation only helps the people in power. It does nothing for the civilians who are going to face the pushback from this. Or already have.
To think republicans pretend like aiding Ukraine is the real problem… yet They’ll blow Netanyoohoo any time he wants. If anyone in Washington had a damn lick of sense they’d cut Israel off entirely.
While I agree that we very much need to take care of domestic issues, it’s more complicated than that. It’s in the global best interest for us to help Ukraine steamroll Russia. We’re getting a bargain that way, rather than becoming directly involved in a conflict.
The US supporting a country fighting a defensive war against an aggressive invader isn’t equivalent to it invading another country and attempting regime change.
You’re right. It’s more like 1983, when we poured money out for Saddam Hussein because his guys were going to fight Iraq for us.
That worked out well.
But, in the end, it doesn’t matter. There’s a blank check for war and I’d just love it if people cared about the extent to which we neglect our own people in service of it.
How could Israel possibly need munitions after years and years of military subsidies? Especially just to fight Hamas (and do some retaliatory killing of civilians). This isn’t a Ukraine situation where a major power is invading a weaker enemy who has had to choose between military spending and social spending, this is the more powerful country attacking a weaker insurgency while being continually fed funding for their military from a superpower.
The billions of dollars they’ve received is more than enough to have stockpiled a large multiple of whatever rockets Hamas was able to somehow build up in secret. “We give you $3.8B per year” should also mean “manage your own munitions when fighting a small insurgency”. If they got into another war with Iran, sure, that could warrant big brother stepping in and turning on the missile spigot, but they’re not even at war with an actual nation.
I don’t know if I should explain how foreign aid works, how many long range missles Hamas controls and how they got them, what a small insurgency is, how an anti-missle system works, or something else you seem to need clarity on. So, I think you should just keep ranting.
Oooh, we got an expert explainer in the house, everyone! Let’s hear it expert, and cite your sources, we’d all love to learn from such a valuable resource.
People can make fun of your lazy argument without being drunk. It’s quite easy.
You want to act like you’re a deep expert and everyone who disagrees with your positions is ignorant, here’s your chance to prove it. If not for me, do it for everyone else, because right not many people seem to be upvoting your obvious brilliance. You do want them to understand and acknowledge your expertise, don’t you? Or was this just a tired rhetorical device people have been using for decades to posture on the internet when they believe they’re right but don’t want to go through all the effort of proving it?
Recent reporting from AP indicates that the Israeli blockade has meant that the primary source of explosives used in Hamas missiles are those extracted from unexploded Israeli munitions fired on Gaza.
Iran is mostly only capable of supporting Hamas through intelligence and through designs/blueprints (things that don’t really require transport).
You mean the same report which also talks about arms coming into Gaza via Sudan? But yes, Gaza militants fire so many rockets and missiles at Israel they have to make their own in addition. This smuggling includes key components. And yes, Iran’s contributions are far bigger than smuggling in arms. My bad for not including a full list 🙄
None of this changes the fact that it is a proxy war with Iran.
I’m not unaware of it, it’s just not remotely a threat that means $3.8B a year isn’t enough. Israel estimated 1,000 fighters were involved in the recent attacks. And that was considered a lot! Ukraine was invaded by 150,000 soldiers in a modern (ish) military with a full state actor behind it, not smuggled weaponry from a regional power which is still weaker than Israel itself.
I’m countering the way you downplayed Hamas’ resources. You keep doing this which leads to sloppy opinions. Especially so if you truly are aware of the resources Iran puts into their proxy wars.
The PRESENCE (not necessarily use) of additional weapons NOW is geo-political message to Iran to de-escalate, that the US will respond in some way. Iran will hear it even if you can’t, we’ll see what they do.
We add a cool $5 billion to the Republicard every year on Israel’s behalf.
But the thing is… war is good business. I’d be surprised if there weren’t a legislator in Washington that hasn’t already made a stock move based on their classified briefings on this event.
Last thing I’ve heard is China would be supporting Palestine/Hamas. If that were to translate into weapon supplies, it could turn into a hairy situation.
China hasn’t even supported Russia with weapon supplies. This is fear mongering a what-if that contradicts Chinese foreign policy in the first place. China’s foreign policy is one of fierce neutrality for anyone not encroaching on their own sovereignty, often to a fault.
China considers both Israel and Palestine to be strategically important allies in the region, so there’s no way they’re going to pick a side in this conflict unless that side is in support of one of China’s more significant allies (Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc.)
Possible. To my excuse, I heard it on TV (on a supposedly reputable channel, but still).
Another thing I’ve heard, is that apparently Russia would’ve been supplying Hamas with the NATO weapons they’ve been seizing in Ukraine from among the ones supplied as NATO aid.
Hamas is the second richest terror organisation. Funding from Iran but they also grift 13% of all aid money going into Gaza via charges for currency conversion. “Not for resale” aid food products are routinely sold for profit in Gaza.
Hamas routinely chooses military spending over social spending. It’s always been their way.
“The second richest terror organization” is like talking about the second toughest fifth grader when discussing whether a prize fighter needs help in a one on one fight.
Hamas routinely chooses military spending over social spending. It’s always been their way.
How is this remotely relevant? It’s like you just scanned for keywords and then remixed them to make an irrelevant comparison.
Oh you truly do not understand the situation with Palestine if you think it’s worse than Xinjiang. Would probably be good to reconsider your “sources” for this, someone’s misleading you badly.
Are you forgetting how the Americans funded the American Revolution against Britain?
When living under constant suppression, inequality, and a state of war (and a blockade IS a state of war), are you really looking for a peaceful solution?
Are you naive enough to think Hamas is open to a peaceful solution? Their f-ing charter calls for slaughtering Jews OUTSIDE of Israel as well as annihilating those inside.
No peaceful solution is currently possible. There isn’t any solution at all right now.
If it weren’t for the blockade and the security fence, the horrors of Saturday’s massacres would be standard. Hamas shows you exactly who they are and you’re blaming Israel for taking necessary measures to reduce terrorism? Israel isn’t perfect but my word, understand who Hamas are and how much responsibility they have for conditions in Gaza.
LOL. No. Jihad against Jews existed long before Hamas become an organisation for a small part of it. Your grasp of both history and current events isn’t anywhere near as solid as you seem to think it is. The gap in your logic and knowledge here is a chasm.
InnerTune is what finally got me to ditch Spotify. It's free, no account required, uses YouTube Music (so imo, a wider range of content) AND shuffle is genuinely random.
So they’re using our data and also getting paid for it
Yeah? Isn't that the point of paying for a music service? I pay, they give me access to music and curate it in a way that would be enjoyable to me. How could they do that without some information about me? This is a prime example of what a company should use your data for.
My comment was in the present tense. I thought that much was self-explanatory.
Tidal offers their “lossless” audio at their lowest tier, for Spotify it’ll cost $20/month. The article we’re all here commenting on mentions how Spotify previously announced and then failed to launch their Hifi service.
Suffice it to say I don’t think this is as clear cut of a case as you’re making it out to be
I’ve had a Spotify sub for 10+ years. I’m getting really close to ditching it because imo the app design is getting worse as prices increase… I was super disappointed in the car thing too. Spotube is a really nice alternative that’s foss. Checkout spotube.netlify.app.
Yesss, it's UX was the main selling point it had over competitors and why I also kept with it. It has slowly started going down hill with all these library and playlist changes they have seemingly made for no reason at all, while they keep ignoring user requested features. Will check out this spotube.
I’ve been using Apple Music for a couple years now and I’m pretty satisfied with it. I moved because Spotify pays artists atrociously and Apple is at least a little better. There hasn’t been much I haven’t been able to find, since there are a lot of services out there that will handle the release of music to multiple platforms easily.
I went from flac hoarding to Apple Music because they have lossless by default, and I love it. I still hoard flacs, but now when I’m not at home I have most all of the songs I love, lossless.
Tidal’s pretty good, they cost the same as spotify but all accounts have access to lossless. The playlists it makes for me are no worse than spotify’s and I can sleep happy knowing the artists I listen to get compensated better than on either Spotify or Apple Music.
I also feel the app’s design helps me see music in the context of the album it was released in instead of as random tracks, which has made me reconnect with some kinds of music I’d grown apart from after I got Spotify.
To be fair, Spotify’s recommendation system is the only algorithmic content feed that I feel actually gets me the kind of stuff I want rather than just exploiting my psyche, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Spotify’s AI integration is likewise the only of it’s kind that has real benefit.
… nothing, because people on the internet complain about everything. Every time. I mean, this service isn’t even out yet, so there hasn’t even been a chance to evaluate their music discovery algorithm.
I understand and relate with the frustration regarding the whole “more streaming services, higher fees” thing that’s still continuing in the industry, though. I mean, $20 a month for just music?! There are competing services that offer lossless audio at a lower price. But yeah—streamflation sucks!
Even that’s a fairly new standard for calling something AI. Video Game enemy algorithms have always been called AI, for instance, regardless of their underlying technologies. That’s part of why people tend to use ML (Machine Learning) as an alternative term: AI has meant a lot of things over the years and the term is so general that using it to refer to e.g. LLMs (Large Language Models) is just confusing
IDK I think it’s pretty cool to have a voice that knows my name and tells me the theme of the next few tracks. I really wish I could give it some more feedback but as it is it’s a small but nice addition sometimes that isn’t possible without the recent AI advancements. I wouldn’t pay more for it though.
There’s way too much emphasis on a few songs from each artist that seem to make them more money, or are otherwise pushed by the record companies. AI or not, if it gets me deeper tracks in my daily mixes and artist radios, I’ll pay the extra for that and lossless.
I used to really enjoy the Discover Weekly lists but for the past few years it just pushes what sounds like AI generated music. It’s like a bunch of covers of popular music done by people I’ve never even heard of (who probably cost Spotify less $ per play). I’ve had better luck with stuff like Spot-a-like recommending new/similar music that I actually might like.
There’s a lot of commotion about how so many Jazz tracks that pop up in Spotify playlists come from clearly made up bands with one or two songs, millions of views, and no internet presence anywhere outside of Spotify.
As if Spotify wasn‘t bordering bloatware territory already. Just give me a music subscription service without the dozenth of functions I will never use or „recommendations“ that are clearly just paid ads and don‘t fit my taste at all.
I work at a large company so get a lot of emails. This could conceivably cutdown on the amount of "Nice job!" type emails that don't really have much substance.
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