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Chainweasel, in Alright then 🏴‍☠️

Wait, they’re not letting you stream because of your OS? That’s bullshit, I’d pirate it on principal at that point. No sense in waisting time trying to get your browser to report a different OS to work around it.

tubbadu,

It’s the only way, they can go fuck themselves

Chewy7324, (edited )

Using Linux means DRM protected content either plays in terrible quality or in RakutenTV’s case not at all. Netflix is limited to 720p with low bitrate and Amazon limits to ~540p.

Changing user agent doesn’t work because it’s the DRM who decides whether the OS is supported.

Linux users have to decide between low quality legal streaming services, or piracy with high quality. It’s not a difficult decision for me and my giant HDD.

Edit: I forgot the third option: streaming sticks (Roku, FireTV).

UnRelatedBurner,

a funny thing that I’d like to add, is that pirate streaming sites don’t have this limitation. You just open a website, write in a name, and play in on any platform, with good enough quality, free from all streaming services. Piracy is just too good to be true.

otp,

Why do they do this?

rikudou,
@rikudou@lemmings.world avatar

Because without the proper DRM implementation it’s trivial to rip it. So they’re only letting you rip the low quality version. Which feels really stupid, because people who know how to rip the 4K content exist and are happy to share the results.

Chewy7324,

On Windows Microsoft/Nvidia/AMD sign their graphics drivers, which guarantees the DRM that the content isn’t recorded on the system.

Disclaimer: The following is my understanding from reading things here and there. I’m a layman on this topic, so please don’t quote me.

On Linux drivers aren’t designed to prevent users from recording on their system, so the DRM doesn’t play high quality content. Also, because drivers aren’t directly provided and signed by MS/NV/AMD, there’d be no way to prevent users from patching the graphics drivers to allow recording again.

That is, if DRM support was implemented in the driver, which it won’t, because there’s no interest and the current distribution model makes it near impossible.

tl;dr

DRM is (always?) closed-source, else it could be easily circumvented. The Linux driver/desktop stack isn’t designed to prevent users from accessing content played on their own device, so rightsholders disallow playing high quality content on Linux.

PS: I’ve noticed on Amazon or Netflix some shows are higher quality than others on Linux. I guess this might be due to rightsholders requiring different Widevine levels for the same quality.

Deckweiss, (edited )

I have a question:

Can you not use OBS on DRM content? Or a capture card? I know those may lose some quality, but aren’t these ways good enough/working?

Chewy7324,

A regular capture card will adhere to the HDMI DRM HDCP, which means it’ll only record a black screen. As you guessed, there’re capture cards which either don’t implement HDCP (unlikely for major brands), or which have been hacked and can be flashed with custom firmware.

I’ve read OBS on Windows also only records a black screen, at least with hardware encoding enabled (NVENC, AMF, Quicksync also implement DRM as part of the driver). Software encoding might work.

As always with content: If it’s on your device, it can be copied.

PS: Now I remember Crunchyroll also uses Widevine, but I’ve seen it streamed over Discord. So either Widevine L3 doesn’t prevent recording, or it doesn’t work in Firefox, or Discord doesn’t use hardware encoding on Windows (unlikely), or something in my comment is wrong information -> Disclaimer, I’m just repeating from memory what I’ve read.

XEAL,

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  • lemann,

    No idea if WINE can run UWP.

    If it can there may probably still be issues with DolbyDecMFT missing (no audio) and maybe a black screen due to HDCP error

    Voyajer,
    @Voyajer@lemmy.world avatar

    I believe winRT support needed for running uwp apps in wine is still in it’s infancy.

    QuazarOmega,

    There’s works towards it? Cool news! And here I thought that nobody cared enough about UWP

    RobotToaster, in Alright then 🏴‍☠️

    To add extra insult, Roku use linux on their boxes en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roku_OS

    Chewy7324,

    Roku is really locked down, which allows them to control what users can do. This means DRM is more powerful on Roku Linux, than on desktop Linux. Same is true for Android. Not allowing Linux makes sense from the rightholders standpoint (just like it makes sense for me to pirate).

    IntentionallyAnon,

    Fuck Roku, they won’t let me set the dns server to my pi hole

    “The consumer’s kids could change that setting and the consumer wouldn’t be able to change it back to a valid dns server”

    turkalino, in Alright then 🏴‍☠️
    @turkalino@lemmy.yachts avatar

    Respectful enough to call it GNU/Linux, but not support it… lmao

    tubbadu,

    my exact thought XD

    sirico, in Alright then 🏴‍☠️
    @sirico@feddit.uk avatar

    What you get for running something that doesn’t let them use your computer for their gain how could you?!

    wolfruff, in Alright then 🏴‍☠️

    But then it probably works on Android.

    Hestia, in want to get started but finding the technical side really overwhelming

    Hey OP. I’m a bit late to the party, but I figure I’ll throw in my two cents.

    Generally speaking, you’re going to want a VPN (I suggest Mullvad), a torrent client (I suggest qBitTorrent), a NAS (for storing data), a movie server (Jellyfin is great), and something that can connect to your streaming server.

    I suggest Mullvad as a VPN because 1. it’s a no log service, 2. you can pay for your subscription using Monero (a type of private/anonymous crypto), and 3. it has a “Lockdown mode” which will block any traffic from your PC that isn’t routed through your VPN preventing IP leaks.

    I suggest qBitTorrent as a torrent client because it has an advanced setting that allows you to specify which network interface is used for torrenting. You’ll want to set that to the virtual network that Mullvad creates so that even if for some reason your VPN goes down, your torrent client won’t leak your IP.

    For actually hosting movies you’ll want to store them somewhere. Network attached storage is good for this. I built my own using a raspberry pi, and it’s separate from my torrenting PC, but there’s no reason you couldn’t also configure your torrenting PC to also be a NAS. If you don’t want to think too hard about a NAS, there are companies like Asustor make premade network storage.

    For actually hosting movies you’ll want something like Jellyfin running on a computer that has access to where your movies are stored. Again, Jellyfin can run on the same computer that’s running your NAS, and your Torrent client. It can all be the same computer. This step may require some configuration on your part. You may want to give your Jellyfin server a static IP so that your devices will automatically reconnect if your router resets.

    Finally, you’ll want to actually watch your movies. I have Roku boxes in my house, so my setup for this was downloading the Jellyfin app, and then typing in the local IP address of my Jellyfin server. You don’t necessarily need an external box for this, Android TVs can install the Jellyfin app.

    And that’s a kind of high level example setup. There’s other things that you can do that’ll make your setup more secure like properly configuring wireguard in mullvad to obfuscate your traffic so that your ISP won’t know that you’re torrenting through a VPN, or encrypting your NAS data, but that’s something you should decide if it’s worth doing.

    JoMiran, in Streaming Pirates Are Hollywood’s New Villains - Illegal subscription services that steal films or TV shows bring in $2 billion a year in ads and subscriber fees.
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    PieMePlenty,

    Haven’t pirated a game since 2008. The same year i made a steam account. Coincidence?

    pearsaltchocolatebar, in Netflix enshittification will continue until morale improves

    And their catalog is actually super small now. My wife and I watch a bunch of horror movies, and I think there’s only like 20. They try to pad that number by pretending that foreign films are actually in English.

    420blazeit69,

    Or they pad it with a ton of absolute garbage

    Blackmist,

    And they change the pictures around all the time to make you think it’s something new, when in fact you’ve seen it before. And because it’s bland as all fuck, you notice this like 45 minutes in.

    CalicoJack,

    It isn’t just the cover art, they also A/B descriptions. And some of them are so different they’re basically lies.

    pearsaltchocolatebar,

    Trailers too. Gotta love ones that tell you absolutely nothing about the movie.

    Blackmist,

    The tags especially are just made up.

    I got a picture of Matt Smith on one horror movie about a black couple. He was in it for like 2 minutes. It wasn’t terrible, but they’re algorithms are basic bitch enough to just go “you white? here’s a white man”

    roux,
    @roux@hexbear.net avatar

    I’ve been spending the last 2 days downloading a bunch of horror, ramping up for when I finally get rid of the rest of our subcription services. I can’t even remember when Netflix’s horror selection was even remotely good. Like they have The Ritual and Apostle, but yeah it’s mostly crap.

    AA5B,

    Yeah the foreign films coming up are the worst. I’m sure it’s great for the people who speak those languages but I don’t generally find it entertaining to watch with subtitles. It’s annoying when they keep coming up on recommended and even worse when it takes more clicks to see the language then to just start it.

    Somehow Netflix thinks I speak Norwegian and I didn’t see a way to turn that off

    Anyway -1 premium account, when they started down their path to enshittification

    coin,

    I hate Netflix as much as anyone here but “how dare Netflix recommend foreign content to me” is the most American thing I’ve ever heard.

    AA5B,

    I guess, but shouldn’t it be a fundamental configuration to only see things whose language you know?

    coin,

    Eh, I’m personally completely fine watching content in other languages and so is pretty much everyone I know. I would never want to limit myself to content in languages I understand. Actually, I think the majority of stuff I watch is foreign content.

    But to each their own of course and I guess it couldn’t hurt if they added the option, but I think expecting it as a “fundamental configuration” says more about you than about how bad Netflix is. There are much better arguments for that.

    UncleGrandPa, (edited )

    They do have an extensive selection of stand up. More than the others

    Lianodel,

    And their recommendation engine sucks.

    Netflix used to be famously good at suggesting films. Articles were written about it, and there was even a cash reward for anyone who could contribute to its performance. Then it just turned to shit.

    And the funny thing is that it would have helped counteract the shrinking library. Sure, there would be fewer films on the platform, so you’d be less likely to find a specific title, but at least you could select a film Netflix recommended based on your past ratings and be fairly confident you’d enjoy it. Now? Absolutely not.

    floofloof,

    I find the same thing with music streaming on Spotify. I used to discover lots of new music I liked on it but these days I can’t get it to generate an interesting playlist. It’s songs I already know interspersed with things that are boring. Seems like the recommendations got worse.

    locuester,

    They probably discovered that they can get paid to promote certain songs.

    So now what you have is the same as FM radio, except you pay for it now.

    floofloof,

    I think they have always done that, but maybe they’re just doing more of that now. It seems harder now to find interesting artists I don’t know.

    Lianodel,

    I quit Spotify when the “New Library Experience” completely fucked the music library side of the app. If you mostly use playlists, it was a lateral change. If you used it to collect some songs here, and album there, and keep them all sorted, it’s like it dumped your entire collection on the floor and expected a thank-you for the new organization system.

    My guess, as others have mentioned, is that Spotify tries to squeeze more profits by pushing certain songs, whether because they get paid to promote them, or the royalties are lower. That’s easier to do with their playlists and recommendations, so they pushed people to that side of the app by making everything else dogshit. And now, apparently, the curated side took it too far and is awful, too.

    I still use Apple Music, which is one of like two services that actually let you organize your music in a sensible way outside of playlists. That said, after I cut cords with video streaming services and set up my own library, I think I might do the same with music.

    floofloof,

    Discovery was always the thing that made streaming services better than buying recordings individually. If these services stop being good for finding new music, then there’s not much reason to keep using them.

    forvirreth,

    My bachelors thesis was basically about recommender systems like this. Netflix truly is a sunken ship.

    Passerby6497,

    Hell, I remember when they had ‘Max’ back when I watched on my PS3. I absolutely loved that it would ask me a bunch of questions and then give me a movie to watch. I’m surprised I haven’t seen that more around, that was an amazing feature.

    QuazarOmega, in Alright then 🏴‍☠️

    “Io capitano”?
    More like “Io capitano uncino

    tubbadu,

    LMAO EXACTLY

    SpiceDealer, in Netflix enshittification will continue until morale improves
    @SpiceDealer@lemmy.world avatar

    Even then I’ll still pirate

    Kolanaki, in Netflix enshittification will continue until morale improves
    @Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

    The only show I even care about on Netflix these days is I Think You Should Leave. I’ll just pirate the next season when it drops. 🤷🏻‍♂️

    kworpy, in Netflix enshittification will continue until morale improves

    Can’t enshittificate our torrent clients 🤷

    ki77erb,

    Here here!

    jackmarxist,
    @jackmarxist@hexbear.net avatar

    Utorrent moment

    UncleGrandPa, in Netflix enshittification will continue until morale improves

    Well i have kind of needed a last straw… This should do it

    Modern_medicine_isnt, in Netflix enshittification will continue until morale improves

    Price increase alone isn’t enshittification. But the amount and quality of what they offer is dropping at the same time.

    stonemilker, in Artbook piracy
    @stonemilker@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    BakaBT is a private tracker that has lots of high quality anime/manga artbooks, soundtracks and extras like that. That’s all I use aside from Nyaa, but my needs are pretty basic in general

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