I fuckin love Discovery and none of ya can shame me for that. All this new era of trek fun as hell and im here for it. The abrams movies got my kid into trek because you know what, they are fun!
I pulled away from the trek fandom back in the Voyager days. Because I love that damn show. And I got tired of hearing how much better it would be if Janeway smiled more. I love the TNG era but it had some problems. The Yar arc happend people.
Trek is trek and it’s all fantastic. Folks who can’t be happy to enjoy all the new trek we’ve gotten are welcome to go back to grumply watching that original star wars trilogy shit. I’ll be over here with the capacity for joy rewatching all of trek now.
Respect.It’s not for me, but I appreciate that other people can enjoy it, no shame in liking a thing, and no shame in not liking it either. People are allowed to have opinions.
I’m right there with ya. Discovery won me over big-time. I am going to start season 3 in a bit.
I am re-watching Voyager at the same time. Kind of drifted from Trek around Voyager season 4 for reasons (nothing to do with trek itself). Yeah Voyager is a hell of a show. Lots of great episodes. It’s great to see all the ones I missed and can’t wait to see how they get back (no spoilers!!)
I’ve now picked up DS9 again where I left off a couple years ago. Season 5. Looking forward to finding out what I missed back in the day.
I’m back to Trek because of SNW. Seriously that show reminded me why I love Star Trek so much. I will likely rewatch it soon.
Been hearing great things about SNW. I’ve kept that and Picard S3 back for now so I can do the whole trek run in the background while I dive into a new project at work. I’m almost done with S1 of TNG, gonna run that through Picard. Then jump back to ENT and catch up to SNW before jumping into late DSC. All 625hrs.
I mean you’re not wrong, but discovery is quite objectively garbage. It lacks good writing, good characters and anything that makes it a Star Trek other than using the IP. No philosophy, no exploration, no character arcs. Jason Isaacs is pretty much the only redeeming quality.
Unlike tng, I don’t expect discovery to be a fan loved classic any time in the next century.
Edit: changed “STD” to “discovery” as apparently we’re in middle school
There is no other Trek that follows that name convention. We don’t call “Voyager” STV or “Enterprise” STE. For me to believe that someone had a) never seen someone use STD applied to Disco pejoratively and, b) decided to use that abbreviation when DIS, DSC, and Disco are all far more common, I would have to be convinced that this is their first week discussing Star Trek on the internet.
This was uncalled for, and a quick look through your comment history indicates that you're either a person who thrives on taking an opposing viewpoint for the sake of being an oppositional pain, or a troll. I'm going to go with the latter.
Dissonant discourse has value but you're intentionally inflammatory so from me, to you, kindly fuck right off. Try and learn something from this. I will engage you no further.
Or maybe I just have different opinions from you on multiple things and you just told a regular guy like you to fuck off because of that. But ok, feel free to disengage.
I don’t need to be constructive because I’m not talking to the show writers or anybody who is responsible for it. I’m in a community of fans, I thought we could just speak our minds about stuff here and say it sucks when it sucks.
Yes I wrote “objectively” because i didn’t just dislike the show out of personal taste, but because the writing is atrocious (ask anybody who knows anything about writing, it’s trite and shallow) and the Star Trek element just is not there. Call the first one subjective, but you can’t argue with the latter.
There are plenty of things about the show I dislike subjectively, and if you want I can write an essay on it - but that was not the point of my comment. The show has traits that are arguably bad regardless of taste. You may personally like to hear the ramblings of a drunk junkie and find plenty of amusement in doing so, and if that is the case then more power to you. But it doesn’t make it good material.
It’s DSC. Not STD. Calling it STD has never made sense and is just a flagrant insult to the show. No other shows acronym starts with ST. Stop being so disrespectful. You can share your opinion without mocking stuff, especially given the description.
No it is not objectively garbage, that is your opinion.
Sorry for having come off that way, I’m just a regular guy that doesn’t really like the show for the reasons I said.
STD is Star Trek discovery and I never meant anything with it, didn’t know it was insulting. Don’t know how it “doesn’t make sense”, it’s literally the acronym of the series.
I have a hard time believing you’re not being willfully obtuse here. Does it really need to be spelled out to you that STD already has a meaning? Sexually Transmitted Disease.
No one acronyms Star Trek: Deep Space Nine to STDS9, Star Trek: The Next Generation to STTNG, Star Wars: The Force Awakens to SWTFA, Star Wars: A New Hope to SWANH, or Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 to CODMW2. You drop the prefix: DS9, TNG, TFA, ANH, MW2.
Alternatively, no one shortens the above to STD, STN, SWA, SWH, CDM.
In verbal conversation, calling it Disco saves you a syllable compared to STD. In text, DSC is the same amount of characters.
There’s no point trying to defend your choice here. You call it STD because you don’t like it and calling it STD made you chuckle. I get it, it made me chuckle the first time. I really don’t care whether you like it or what you choose to call it. I watched most of season 1 and it just didn’t click for me.
I just can’t imagine being the kind of person that would try to say they don’t understand why calling it STD could be taken badly. Wow. Reminds me of school days, the kids with the sheer audacity to tell the teacher they didn’t bring a cellphone into a test while their pants are blasting out a compressed to hell 30 second loop of a top 10 song as a ringtone.
I’ll be honest here, the whole std thing feels rather immature. Yeah of course I thought of the other meaning for the acronym, didn’t think people would be so childish as to consider that. Let’s be real, every acronym in the world is probably also an acronym for something nasty - but you can’t take that burden on yourself every time you type. If you have a hard time believing i was honest then don’t believe it, but the fact that I’m being accused of something so trivial speaks more of the accuser than it does of me.
I didn’t mean to make a pun at stds, it’s baffling that people would interpret it that way. That show is crappy enough to insult itself, why would anyone bother calling it names. It doesn’t need any help being ridicule.
As for your “other acronyms” point: other series are made of multiple words. TOS, TNG, DS9, they’re all acronyms. Discovery is only one word, how are you supposed to call it? D? DSC is not an acronym, if I were to randomly select letters from the name just to save space I’d just call it by its full name.
I realised STD could mean both and decided to go through with it anyway because I thought we were talking between adults but clearly you made up your mind about me long before giving a damn about who I was.
I agree with you. The other people in this thread are quick to judge and could stand to learn from some of the wisdom in the shows about which they have such strong feelings.
Hard disagree, new star trek has had years to “settle in” and has shown almost no signs of improving on the things that make it poor quality - namely low effort pandering writing and a lack of respect for its audience. Alex Kurtzman and the executives are the problem, and they’re not going anywhere soon.
I miss how campy it used to be. I feel they finally nailed it with Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds, but Disco and Picard were rough. Picard S3 was a little more tolerable though.
Camp is an intentionally over-the-top stylistic choice, it’s a specific well defined style. It doesn’t just mean “silly” or “cheesy”. Star Trek isn’t camp.
Sorry to be that guy but it’s one of my pet peeves.
You can reasonably disagree with a critical response to a TV show without it being a personal attack on your positivity or that of your post. What are you looking for here? An echo chamber makes for a boring discussion board.
I think it’s fair enough to expect writers to understand and respect the media they’re working with, and I’d argue that the writing in all those previous shows was leagues more intelligent and considered than the stuff on Kurtzman shows. I get very frustrated at how what was a show about professional and considered officers dealing with clever sci fi scenarios is turned into an action slog “fuck yeah science” show. It’s not smart or interesting like that.
EDIT: noticed your post above about the difficulties you’re going through. We can disagree about a telly show and still respect each other, I don’t think discussion spaces like this might be healthy if you’re struggling with positivity. It’s totally okay to like the new trek shows and there’s nothing wrong with wanting to be positive.
Here's a controversial thought: The worst Trek is at the absolute worst kinda decent, and it only goes up from there.
My Trek power rankings don't line up with most (Discovery is pretty great, DS9 is kind of annoying, all the Kelvin Treks are fun and the first one is pretty great), but even the parts I don't like I can watch and be chill about it.
Picard is bordering that line, honestly, but I can't be actively mad at Patrick Stewart and I actually would have watched a cheaper, longer show about the La Sirena crew without the TNG baggage.
Being old enough to have Voyager and especially DS9 be my "nuTrek" and also never having let it go I can feel your nerdrage as a warm, fuzzy winter fire.
Can I interest you in how DS9's focus on greed, war and moral compromise is a betrayal of the concepts behind Star Trek and if they wanted to make Babylon 5 they should have just made Babylon 5?
I’m old enough for that too. I saw and enjoyed both DS9 and Babylon 5 when they came out! There are definitely issues with DS9, but it never treated the audience as stupid or took its material anything other than seriously. It was ambitious and very well written, especially the Cardassian characters.
I get particularly frustrated at the “teen humour” focus of the new stuff, it’s just not written with me in mind and that’s fair enough but I don’t think we should be comparing it to the old stuff and arguing it’s the same level of quality because that’s not accurate.
I like that you like DS9. Good for you. It's there for you and that's fine.
But it's a weird show that is a fundamental contestation to what makes Star Trek appealing and pretends it isn't.
It's fine. All of Trek is fine. But if you ask me if I'd rather watch Discovery, I'd watch Discovery any day. Which, again, is fine, because both of those exist and are at the very least decent.
I'm not sure how much "teen humor" there is in modern Trek, though. I mean, there's Lower Decks, but that's the point of Lower Decks and I kinda warmed up to it over time. Ditto for Prodigy.
If anything Picard was overly self-serious, and one could argue the same of Discovery, at least during the first season. I kinda see it in SNW, and I do think Season 2 tries to do too much too soon, but whatever, that show has a specific niche and that's where it lives.
Man, can I just stop to say that I just rattled off five different Star Trek shows, all of them different and all of them at least decent? What a time to be into this particular series.
So true! I still remember when people heavily disliked DS9. I was a huge fan, but dare me saying it was perhaps my favourite Star Trek. Today there are more people open about liking DS9. (✿´꒳`)ノ
Do I not like the new content because it’s new and weird…? 🤔
No. I still liked DS9 and Voyager when I had grew up with TNG. I still liked Enterprise (although with some caveats mostly due to specific nerd shit that changed). I love Lower Decks and Prodigy.
What I can’t get into with Picard and Discovery (haven’t tried SNW yet) is the format. I really just prefer episodic content to serialized stuff. Especially when the good parts come slowly. So many people who do like these shows admit they don’t get good until the 2nd or 3rd season, and I just can’t slog through the first season to get that far.
SNW is probably what you want. There are some longer arcs, but for the most part, you can take things episode by episode.
The streaming era is favoring shows with long arcs, though. Just the opposite of where we were in the 90s, where missing one episode of Babylon 5 meant you might not understand what’s going on, and VCRs were clunky and hard to setup right.
X-Files when it started vs X-Files when it ended. I feel like the episodic/short story formats focus on the sci fi aspects or specific situations in a way I like more.
Discovery and Picard are just bad shows to me, especially Picard. It annoys me when people try to reduce criticism to just not liking something new. The Abrams movies and Discovery depart from previous iterations in some really important ways to the point that they don’t feel like the same franchise anymore.
Also really annoys me when people bring up some of the TNG movies to “prove” that old trek did some of the same annoying things, when those movies are also bad and widely criticized.
I do like SNW though. Better than Enterprise and probably Voyager as well.
Captain and first officer are both male? That has nothing to do with Gene’s vision of a brighter future. But nutrek has this patriarchal agenda all over. I wish they would keep their politics out of my star trek.
I’ve reached season three of Discovery, in my effort to give it a second chance, and I’m liking it a lot more. I’ve heard the third season of Picard was good too, but I’ve not made it that far yet.
They both just took the TNG approach of not really hitting their stride until the third season. Stamets’ meme is on point, as usual.
I am looking forward to what they do to sell me on this new Ezri Dax meets Wesley and Beverly Crusher character. I hope they learn from Beverly’s ghost-related mistakes lol
I think from Season 3 to mid-season 5 and then late season 7 of TNG, most of DS9, and a couple seasons of Voyager, this isn’t true. I think people knew at the time we had genuinely good Trek on the air.
The OP’s point is that there were old fans gatekeeping and downtalking ‘NuTrek’ pretty much since fan organizations took out full page newspaper ads in the US trying to stop TAS from being aired.
I was going to Star Trek cons in 1990. No matter how objectively great season 3 of TNG was, many TOS diehards were still campaigning against it.
Longstanding TOS fans could still be pretty toxic at that point to new TNG fans in person too. The guests at cons were still largely TOS cast. It was hard even to get a TNG t-shirt then.
Fast forward to 1993 and TNG cosplay was everywhere, the guests and panels were TNG and DS9 was the exciting new thing.
Disco was hot garbage except for that one episode where they ran out of budget and told a decent groundhog day story. Pike carried me through the second season though. And the only interesting character was the spidey-sense alien dude. Didn’t bother with season 3.
Picard. Well… I only lasted ten minutes into the first episode. Noped out when the motorbike helmet Romulan ninja killed the roommate with a knife. Guess they couldn’t afford stun mode on a phaser or something.
Strange New Worlds is great. I’d rank it better than Voyager but not quite original series quality. Not yet anyway. And when Jack Quaid popped out the other side of the portal, that’s when I thought I’d give Lower Decks a chance.
Just watch the last season of Picard. Forget the other two seasons and pretend they don’t exist. You don’t need them, the final seasons stands on it’s own.
Yesterday the thing you love was the crappy new thing and lots of vocal assholes hated it.
Today you can choose to be the vocal asshole or just enjoy the thing you enjoy, no false praise needed.
Tomorrow the crappy new thing will be fondly remembered and the vocal assholes of today will seem foolish and, in part, pretend they never hated today’s thing.
This is true across various properties. The fact that you think “we don’t want to hear your constant whining” equates to “you have to praise the thing I like even if you don’t like it” really says something.
It may have a lot of the stylings of adult swim, but I think that lower decks is far more focused. Obviously it all comes down to taste, but you should really give it another go and definitely try strange new worlds. Strange new worlds is classic trek done so well.
Well, I watched first few episodes before forming that opinion, I think it’s just the usual “cynicism pushed to grotesque” thing many adult-oriented shows do that puts me off. But it’s been a while and I don’t really remember it well so I suppose another chance wouldn’t hurt.
And thanks, I’ll look into Strange New Worlds then.
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