Star Trek was considered big budget television in the 1960s. It was early peak broadcast television made to show off colour technology.
Roddenberry modeled and pitched the original pilot (The Cage) on MGM’s movie Forbidden Planet, which was the most expensive science fiction movie to date when it was made in the mid 50s.
I’m convinced that many people don’t appreciate DS9 until their 30s.
Cool that the 90s shows each seem to appeal to different demographics even though they were all in theory designed for mass audiences ( unlike in the current streaming era).
The problem seems to be that a lot of younger fans that get into Voyager & TNG, just cringe at DS9 or find it boring. Once they’ve had that experience they’re hard to convince to give it a fresh shot when they’re older.
The big temporal shift took place when TNG’s premiere ‘Encounter at Farpoint’ was written to place WW3 and first contact into the mid-late 21st century.
TOS was very specific in saying that the Eugenics War was a precursor to WW3.
Roddenberry wanted to ensure that the franchise’s optimistic future was always a future possibility for viewers. So he insisted that TNG reset the date of WW3.
At the time TNG appeared, there were die-hard gatekeeping TOS fans that argued that this time shift broke canon and meant TNG was in a different universe despite McCoy’s appearance in the premiere.
SNW just confirms the physics of temporal slippage in the Prime timeline as the consequence of all the various intertemporal incursions over the history of the franchise.
TNG and all the 90s shows finessed their way around the date of the Eugenics War.
The writers at the time (e.g., Moore & Braga) would rationalize in response to fan questions that the Eugenics War was going on but we just weren’t aware. Or something. But they assiduously avoided dealing with the issue onscreen despite trying to write around other inconsistencies like Klingon foreheads.
So, it was left to SNW’s Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow to spell it all out, including moving Khan’s birth back by decades. It’s worth putting a priority on seeing that episode just for that clarity.
Encounter at Farpoint probably isn’t the place to start.
We tend to assume our kids will get into it the same way we did, but different generations respond differently.
Our kids are fans, but they like the franchise on their own terms. We started them with the TAS DVD set, after priming them with Odd Squad. They loved it.
When they hit school age, I tried them on a curated set of TNG episodes. Didn’t really stick, but Voyager they adored. By high school they’d tried most of it but would only watch the occasional episode of DS9 or Enterprise. They watched the early seasons of Discovery with enthusiasm even though I had to fast forward through some scenes.
In high school, their interest fell off as they explored other fandoms, but they’ve come back to it on their own terms. And their favourite shows at the moment aren’t ones that I would ever have predicted.
Wow, definitely different school learning protocol here.
Our kids were fussing at me to close my tabs as I go by the time they hit middle school, and when they were younger we had a ‘clear tabs automatically on closing’ set up in their browsers.
The OP’s point is that there were old fans gatekeeping and downtalking ‘NuTrek’ pretty much since fan organizations took out full page newspaper ads in the US trying to stop TAS from being aired.
I was going to Star Trek cons in 1990. No matter how objectively great season 3 of TNG was, many TOS diehards were still campaigning against it.
Longstanding TOS fans could still be pretty toxic at that point to new TNG fans in person too. The guests at cons were still largely TOS cast. It was hard even to get a TNG t-shirt then.
Fast forward to 1993 and TNG cosplay was everywhere, the guests and panels were TNG and DS9 was the exciting new thing.
As others have said this isn’t the infinitely expanding manifold time of DC or MCU (pre Loki season 2).
SNW season two confirmed what we could infer from the premier of TNG when the date of WW3 had shifted back decades. It also happens to line up better with the understandings of modern physics.
The Prime Timeline in Star Trek is a resilient enormous river. It can be shifted a bit in its course, slip forwards and back.
BUT major events remain largely unchanged
those changes that aren’t large enough to create a major fork shift to a very different future as in TOS City at the Edge of Forever
OR
it takes an event of the order of the Romulan Supernova to create a new branch universe (Kelvin U).
The only other male bridge officer I can remember off hand is Spock, right? What a massive drift. “Can’t get used to it so therefore WOMEN EVERYWHERE”...
Looking back at that, I think Roddenberry was lampshading the expected social discomfort expected in the audience when those words were put in Pike’s mouth. Regrettably, the rest audience reportedly still wasn’t willing to accept Number One.
It’s odd though given the prominent women characters in Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea which was very popular a few years before.
It’s 70s Saturday morning animation in the trendy hot pink, orange, lime green and purple of the psychedelic era.
It’s got a lot of episodes written by TOS writers that got reworked from live action, but also some very out there original stuff. Roddenberry really pushed the writers to take advantage of the animated medium.
It’s trippy and worth your time. A couple of episodes, including Yesteryear, are S-tier.
With Spock as a child with his selát - yes that’s it. It got a lot of praise from child development experts and parents for dealing with the difficult topic of a pet’s death. It was a children’s show first.
That stack of pancakes in the meme has about 1/3 of what our kids would put on them. They should be drowning. Not to mention all over the beans, sausages eggs or whatever other sides.
For those you are uninitiated, in the maple syrup producing regions of Quebec and Ontario, we buy it by the case. 12 half litre cans each. Or 1 litre bottles.
It’s actually much healthier than corn syrup because it has a lot of dissolved mineral goodness that the trees pull out of the ground - calcium, zinc and iron.
When I first moved from the west, my housemate’s romantic interest showed up with a case and opined that we were sickly westerners because we weren’t consuming syrup all winter. I’ve come round.
It just isn't complete without it (lemmy.sdf.org)
Kirk always knows how to find his perfect lighting. (startrek.website)
Enterprise Bingo: 24th Century Edition (lemmy.world)
aka the “Yes, bloody D” Edition...
DSC Season 5, LD Season 5, SNW Season 3.... GIVE IT TO ME NOW (startrek.website)
Crystals good, fungus bad (i.imgur.com)
We must remember our forefathers (lemmy.sdf.org)
Mom's phone, Trek edition (lemmy.world)
Cope (lemmy.world)
Just once I’d like a post where everyone is chill and positive about stuff instead of focusing on negative...
Don't know where else to say this ... but I'm enjoying the new shows on my own. (lemmy.ca)
Too Many Mudds (lemmy.world)
(Now with fewer spelling errors)
This may be the dumbest thing I've made yet. Sorry, Risa. (startrek.website)
I love how SNW responded to this sexism by surrounding Pike with women (startrek.website)
The only other male bridge officer I can remember off hand is Spock, right? What a massive drift. “Can’t get used to it so therefore WOMEN EVERYWHERE”...
Borgus, Boims, and Bean: One fat, one short, one lean (files.catbox.moe)
Star Trek: Canada - Wood for a starship sounds good, eh? (i.pinimg.com)
We doing Canada Trek now? (i.imgur.com)
Star Trek: Canada (pixelfed.social)
Can't fool Vreenak or our neighbors to the north. (files.catbox.moe)
Just in case....
Friends don't let friends try. . . (startrek.website)
While all TAS episodes had some kind of moral lesson, S1 E10 was an outright criticism of substance use....
Speaking of Canada in Star Trek... (i.imgflip.com)
Star Wars had Kenobi. Where's our version? (startrek.website)