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Very_Bad_Janet, in I still appear on Google and I edited and deleted all my comments, this is BS!

I deleted all of my comments using PDS. I just did a Google search for my username on Reddit and it had one result. I went to the post (I remember the OP) but my comment doesn't appear on the post. So is this a caching issue?

banyorn,

It’s Google cache, wait a day or two and you will not see it anymore

abff08f4813c, in I still appear on Google and I edited and deleted all my comments, this is BS!

Agreed it is BS

A lot of folks get hit by this, https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/47320/PSA-If-you-have-more-than-1000-posts-more-than

They think they deleted it all, but stuff got missed.

A lot of folks also seem to be using PDS. Remember that PDS is also affected by this limitation.

Hyperreality,

This is one of the reasons I regularly deleted my reddit account. I was on reddit for over a decade, but I always had a relatively new account.

When I mentioned doing this, I invariably got called paranoid.

Mlkall,

That's what I did on a 6 month basis for 10 years.

I was keeping my account but deleted all my stuff every 6 months or so.

abff08f4813c,

Smart move. Wish I had done this - but back then I didn't know how to automatically save a local copy of my content before deleting.

sadreality, in Protests broke Reddit hack for useful Google search results—and Google knows it

So big tech gutted the internet with their search engine,

reddit was on of the few places you could get useful, organic content

reddit decided to fuck with the people generating this content

content generating users did not like it, start to strike

google's shiti engine can't return any decent results besides SEO optimized trash

meggied90, in Reddit is not a safe space

How utterly depressing.

Does the Fediverse have a similar feature, where communities/magazines can be private and only allow users to view/subscribe to them with mod approval?

I know this is possible with instances, but that seems impractical since the account would be defederated from the entire Fediverse to maintain privacy.

LollerCorleone, in I still appear on Google and I edited and deleted all my comments, this is BS!
@LollerCorleone@kbin.social avatar

Unless its something you are desperately trying to find, nothing disappears from the internet.

cassetti, in I still appear on Google and I edited and deleted all my comments, this is BS!

I'm writing a program and going to wait several months before I overwrite my content - slowly one post per minute. Then after finishing that (over several months), I plan to set the code to slowly delete the posts, one by one.

I spent years writing content for reddit to share with the world. If they won't share with the world, they won't get a copy either.

soundasleep,
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I want to do something very similar to this!

  1. download all my content (still waiting on that one)
  2. put all my comments on my personal website each with a unique ID
  3. edit each post on reddit to point to the content on my website, that way I maintain control but the internet doesn't lose information

do you think your software could do this? :D

cassetti,

Don't know! I have a bit of experience using Auto-It so I'm going to try and program it to tab through the old.reddit page and edit each post then move on to the next post. I assume using the edit button I could copy all text, then write it to a word document in something like an XML format which could then be imported into software.

But again, this is all based on theory, I haven't done any actual code or testing yet. Just based on previous experiences making simple programs to access websites and do specific things via a browser to mimic human interactions with the site. It's a very slow unreliable and inefficient way of doing things lol

Th4tGuyII, in Protests broke Reddit hack for useful Google search results—and Google knows it
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It's a shame really. The Reddit hack really was the only way to get around all the SEO crap invading your search results.

Glad Google seems to be, at least briefly, realising the problem. People want actual answers, not useless crap designed to look like them.

sogekingfisher,

I’d like to see a search engine that has a setting to just search forums. Organic user generated content is where most of the valuable information is, at least for troubleshooting/ product recommendations/ hobbies.

Th4tGuyII,
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Certainly for niche stuff, it is one of the best ways to get any information period.

BaldProphet, in banning and defederating communities
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Seems to be popular to defederate from right-leaning instances. The Fediverse basically started as a far-left stronghold, so it isn't surprising.

CookieJarObserver,
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Most instances also defederated from lemmygrad (commies) so its not generally politically left either.

Also there is the problem of liability, if a instance hosts stuff that is legal where their server stands, but isn't where yours is, you basically need to do it. (Burggit.moe for example, also LemmyNSFW)

Porn in general is also defederated by many because its problematic to moderate.

And then there are instances that just brigade a lot or make bots on mass that spam. They usually get blocked as well.

Last but not least, if your instance defederated nothing it will be defederated because its seen as unmoderated (wich could potentially result in illegal activities)

NotAPenguin,

Tankies, not just commies

HelixDab,

Most instances also defederated from lemmygrad (commies) so its not generally politically left either.

IMO, Stalinists aren't exactly tolerant either. You're still talking about a totalitarian and authoritarian viewpoint, even if they're on the left on economic matters.

IMO, if your point is to make a community welcoming, then you have to get rid of intolerant voices. That--broadly speaking--means that you have to remove people advocating for any kind of absolutist, authoritarian rules. It's easy to see at a macro level, but it's all fuzzy at a micro level.

BaldProphet,
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A lot of people in the Fediverse don't seem to appreciate the concept that the political left is just as capable of intolerance and extremism as the political right.

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  • BaldProphet,
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    I'm not talking about parties, I'm talking about the political spectrum. There is no "Right-Wing Party", nor is there a "Left-Wing Party". Conservatives and liberals can be found in both of the actual dominant American parties.

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  • BaldProphet,
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    Haha another unfriendly troll rears its ugly head. Goodbye.

    HelixDab,

    Anyone that is familiar with the ways that communism has existed in Warsaw-pact countries, in China, in southeast Asia in general, etc., should be able to see that. LGBTQ+ people were, if anything, even more fucked in most communist countries. There certainly wasn't any meaningful religious tolerance, since religion was banned in at least some communist countries (or wholly controlled by the gov't).

    I'm in favor of communism in principle, but not in practice. I'd love to live in a commune, but I don't think I'd want to live in a communist country.

    cacheson,
    @cacheson@kbin.social avatar

    I'm in favor of communism in principle, but not in practice. I'd love to live in a commune, but I don't think I'd want to live in a communist country.

    You might be interested in anarcho-communism. I'm not one myself, but they're the only kind of communists that I'm okay with.

    CookieJarObserver,
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    Faschism and Stalinism is just different in who they want to dispose of mostly. The Intersection of their policies is gigantic.

    Detry, (edited )
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    UnfortunateShort, in banning and defederating communities

    The reason I am on lemmy.world is that so far, they have basically blocked nothing and that is the experience I'm looking for. I want to be the one who decides what I see.

    That said, others prefer a more curated experience and thus choose other instances. That's the beauty of the fediverse, you can have both.

    ada,
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    The reason I am on lemmy.world is that so far, they have basically blocked nothing

    lemmy.world/instances

    activepeople,

    didn't lemmy.world just defederate from exploding heads tho?

    https://lemmy.world/post/747912

    Sharpiemarker, in banning and defederating communities

    Let's not sugar-coat this: do not tolerate fascists and bigots in your spaces. Period.

    spicy_biscuits,
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    PERIOD

    1chemistdown,
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    This.

    pizza_rolls,
    @pizza_rolls@kbin.social avatar

    I agree 100%

    If you want to tolerate Nazis, bigots, fascists, etc under the guise of "free speech" then this is not the instance for you. And I hope we maintain that moving forward. Y'all can have your own hellhole somewhere else

    FaceDeer,
    @FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

    A clear-cut and uncontroversial rule that will see little to no opposition, yes.

    And in many cases it's also clear-cut and uncontroversial whether someone is a fascist or a bigot.

    But in other cases, you're going to run into trouble. A particular case in point; I don't like the Disney Star Wars sequel trilogy. I have, in the past, been immediately called a sexist when I've mentioned that fact. But I personally don't care one whit about the gender of the trilogy's protagonist, I just think they're bad movies. Maybe there are other people who actually do care and that's the reason they don't like those movies. Maybe there are people who don't believe me when I say I personally don't care about the gender of the trilogy's protagonist. So, is https://reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/ a bigoted community? If there was a Fediverse equivalent, should it be blocked? Different people will argue different ways.

    I can think of lots of other scenarios, I won't make a big rambling list because I'm sure I'll step on a landmine eventually. I'm just arguing that seemingly simple straightforward "rules" that are easy to agree with can still end up mired in complexity when people try to implement them in the real world.

    SJ_Zero,
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    “No nazis or bigots” is a nice slogan, but if people turn off our brains and turn off our humanity and just start mindlessly chanting slogans that justify the punishing of our enemies, then there’s no difference between us and the typical German in 1938.

    It doesn’t take a lot to end up in a bad place if we think we’re purely good and in the right and our enemy is purely evil.

    PM_me_your_vagina_thanks,

    lmao fuck off. Tolerating nazis leads to more nazis. The only way to get rid of them is to stomp them out.

    SJ_Zero,
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    Are you familiar with the Salem witch trials, the werewolf trials in France in the 1500s and 1600s and the Satanic Panic of the late 80s and early 90s? Those people thought they were morally justified in anything they did against the accused because they were fighting against literal Satan.

    World War 2 ended 75 years ago. Virtually everyone who was a Nazi is dead of old age.

    So who are you stomping?

    Tyrannosauralisk,

    There are plenty of white supremacist fascists out there. People often call them nazis because we don't give a shit about splitting hairs regarding if they are a member of the actual Nazi party or if they're just closely related scum.

    Killakomodo,
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    lol you are delusional if you think Nazi ideology is dead.

    Killakomodo,
    @Killakomodo@kbin.social avatar

    also funny that you only bring up horseshit things as your dodge with witches, werewolves and Satan, you know all not real, but Nazis and bigots are real so it seem a weird comparison

    ScrumblesPAbernathy,
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    We're not talking about punishing anyone, we just don't want to hear or see their bigotry. They can have their space and we can choose not to interact with them.

    SJ_Zero,
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    That’s a fair point.

    Jo,
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    There is a really, really big difference between "we want to kill you" and "we do not want to be killed by you".

    Don't tolerate fascists. However comfortable that centrist illusion is, you are signing your own death warrant and that of millions of others (most of whom will suffer the consequences of your actions long before they get around to the people who feel safe enough to argue that fascists must be tolerated).

    pizza_rolls,
    @pizza_rolls@kbin.social avatar

    Ya we should have thought harder about who the bad guys REALLY were in WW2

    FFS

    Ghost33313,
    @Ghost33313@kbin.social avatar

    That's a bad faith argument they used against you for having a good opinion that they disagree with. In my personal head cannon I ignore the prequels and sequels because they cheapen the original plot. Rogue One I'll take though.

    frontporchtreat,

    Very well said.

    Anticorp,

    The concern you raised cannot be overstated. Accusing someone of bigotry or hate because their opinions of a subject are different has become a common invalidation and attack strategy. Another example is the Little Mermaid movie. By most accounts it's just not a very good movie. But you'll likely be called a racist by certain groups if you state that you don't like it. I haven't seen it. I don't have an opinion on it. But I witnessed the resulting arguments unfold across the internet. It is okay to dislike works created by or starring POC. It is not okay to dislike them because they were created by or star POC. Some people seem to find it impossible to differentiate between the two.

    pizza_rolls,
    @pizza_rolls@kbin.social avatar

    I don't feel like there is as much gray area here as you're making it out to be. There is a big difference between

    "The new star wars movies are bad cause they are WOKE!1!1!1!1!1 Women are bad!"

    vs

    "The new star wars movies were an incohesive mess due to changes between writers and directors for all 3 films"

    But also it's not like we will be defederating whenever people get in a slap fight, people are still going to have shitty opinions on any instance and get downvoted for that. This is for a pattern of behavior being tolerated and prolific.

    FaceDeer,
    @FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

    The whole reason /r/saltierthancrait exists is because the folks at /r/starwars largely refused to make that distinction. It could be that "misogynist" was simply a convenient weapon to bludgeon the people who disagreed with their taste in movies and they didn't genuinely believe that everyone who disliked those movies were misogynist, but the weapon was deployed nonetheless and resulted in a schism.

    These words are just too convenient sometimes.

    mrnotoriousman,

    Yeah I have no doubt someone called him a sexist for not liking the new SW, but from what I've seen across communities online 99% of people are easily able to distinguish between someone critiquing films over being a misogynist. And there was def rampant misogyny in some places when they got released.

    blazera,
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    we should defederate from kbin for hosting fascists and bigots

    wahming,

    Satire doesn't work as well on fedi when everybody has to check what instance they're on AND what instance you're posting from to figure out if you're serious

    ImplyingImplications, in banning and defederating communities

    I am hoping that the new users are coming here with the intent to learn how this community works, before we try to remake the community we just left.

    Yeah go and take a stroll through those instances and you’ll see quickly why their posts aren’t welcomed here.

    Bishma, in iOS Reddit app Narwhal not going anywhere
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    This might be a tough one were I still using Reddit. I want to pay devs who do good work but I don’t want my money to, in turn, pay Reddit so they can claim my content as their own.

    jerome,
    @jerome@kbin.social avatar

    Me too. I abandoned my Digg account and now my Reddit account. Principles over penis.

    letsroll,
    @letsroll@kbin.social avatar

    True -- at that point you're paying reddit for the privilege of helping them succeed, and you wonder was it worth it? After all the lies you were told, you're not so sure, but as their foot presses down on your hands you go back to work, ignoring their long shadows as sunset falls and they murmur to each other, "type faster, monkey."

    hiyaaaaa23, in banning and defederating communities

    “communities existsting in their own spaces”

    In some sense that is what defederating does, no?

    phi1997,

    In fact, defederating can ensure communities can continue to exist in their own spaces without being harassed or being subject to bigotry

    CtrlAltDelicious,

    Is kbin a community, or a platform for communities to run on? I'm subbed to maybe 20 magazines now, and I can't even tell you which one comes from which server.

    I think of magazines as communities, and servers as enablers of the platform they run on. Sure there are purpose-built servers around a topic, but as a data point of 1, I haven't joined kbin to be a part of kbin community, I joined because it seemed to be the most reliable provider for me to reach communities across fediverse.

    wahming,

    Is kbin a community, or a platform for communities to run on?

    Both, that distinction doesn't work very well for the new fediverse model.

    spicy_biscuits, in banning and defederating communities
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    I also have recently left Reddit. And I am all for blocking content that contains hate speech. Allowing fascist content to take root is unacceptable.

    Spiracle, in banning and defederating communities
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    Personally, I prefer individual users being empowered to easily block instances over instances blocking stuff "for" the users in most cases. Issues:

    1. Users from other instances can still require mod actions. Moderation time is limited. Defederating from more problematic instances can be necessary if they cause more trouble than can be easily dealt with.
    2. It is important for instance owners to achieve a coherent "front page" which includes the wider fediverse. I’m unsure if it is possible to ban individual instances from the frontpage while still allowing users to specifically visit them as they want.
    3. Some instances are legally ambiguous or even contain content fully illegal in some countries.

    I did for some research. Basically, all the top-defederated instances on this list are so for good reasons, often even legal reasons: https://fba.ryona.agency/scoreboard?blocked=100

    Note that if you click on an instance, it will show you the various admin reasons for why people defederated.


    The one I saw someone asking to be removed (exploding heads) seemed to be more normal discussion with a big extra dose of edgy humor magazines and swear words. This includes various slurs and straight up racism. This very much falls into the category of "I don’t want those here, but I’d prefer if users can still visit them" for me.

    However, Lemmy.world admins have compiled some issues these users being, including harassing DMs to users. See for yourself: https://kbin.social/m/lemmyworld@lemmy.world/t/107898/Lemmy-world-Admin-Response-to-Defederation-from-Exploding-Heads#comments

    Specifically, admins and community moderators of that instance were the problem. This seems like it would quickly fall into the "unfeasible to moderate on a case-by-case basis" category. Therefore, the nuclear option of defederation may be necessary.

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