fastfinge,

I don’t block anything. I work in accessibility, so it’s important to me to know what the experiences are like for my fellow users with disabilities. I also don’t want to recommend sites or apps that are riddled with inaccessible ads. I’d rather not give them traffic at all. Though even though I let them track me, I still get ads in a language I don’t speak for cars I can’t drive. What’re they doing with all that data?

Woht24,

How are you presumably having websites presumably displayed in one language and ads displayed in another language?

fastfinge,

I assume it’s because I live in Canada, and big American data just assumes all Canadians speak French. I regularly get French ads on English websites.

Woht24,

Right, thought it was a trick and I was intrigued.

crimroy,

If you presume it, it will come

DashboTreeFrog,

So me seeing ads in random languages is not me being clever with identity obfuscation, but big data being big stupid?

And thank you for your work in accessibility 🫡

fastfinge,

Apparently! I don’t hide my data in any way, and constantly get ads in languages I don’t speak. Usually French, but sometimes Hindi or Chinese. And as a blind person myself, I’m not sure that my well paid full time job working in large enterprise and big tech accessibility is altruism deserving of thanks haha.

cley_faye,

A lot of people. For many, it’s not even something they know exist. Even setting it up for them is a bother because of the occasional site it breaks, and the complete lack of technical awareness.

Frozengyro,

There’s also many of us who don’t use a laptop/PC to access the Internet.

umulu,
@umulu@lemmy.world avatar

There’s Android browsers with AdBlock. Mozilla is one of them…

spacecowboy,

I almost exclusively use my iPhone - I have ad blockers on it. AdGuard, Banish, and Vinegar.

irmoz,

I have adblock on my phone ;)

squid_slime,
@squid_slime@lemmy.world avatar

Custom dns

umbrella, (edited )
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

firefox and ublock origin works on a phone just as well

puppy,

Firefox on Android and its many derivatives (I use Fennec) have uBlock Origin as a browser extension.

Viking_Hippie,

I use uBlock Origin and Consent-o-Matic. Works like a charm!

RazorsLedge,

Consent o matic is a new one for me. Thanks!

Viking_Hippie,

You’re very welcome!

themurphy,

One question though.

Can’t you enable a filter list on uBlock Origin that removes all cookie consents?

I think I have it on. It’s under “Annoyances”. Maybe it’s not as good since you have them both?

the_post_of_tom_joad,

Can’t you enable a filter list on uBlock Origin that removes all cookie consents

What what what?!?! Ive used ublock for years and i didn’t know this

themurphy,

Yeah haha, there’s actually some nice block lists in the settings you can turn on.

Also region specifics.

Viking_Hippie, (edited )

I’m sure there is, but tbh I don’t know how, since I don’t need it.

The way Consent-o-Matic works is that it accepts all, securely deletes all of it immediately before it can do anything. That way the site thinks you have all of it so it won’t ask again, but you actually get none of it.

All this plus removing the consent- and other pop-ups for you. A few of the nastier pop-ups might be on your screen for a tenth of a second or less as Consent-o-Matic gets rid of it for you, but otherwise it’s like they were never there to begin with!

victorz,

Does it work better than “I don’t care about cookies”, if you’ve tried both?

brb,

What is the difference between that and “I still dont care about cookies”?

Honytawk,

That addon accepts all the cookies.

Consent-o-Matic blocks all the cookies.

CorrodedCranium,
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

I know some of family don’t because they mostly rely on mobile devices and devices like Chromecasts where installing ad blockers can be a challenge. They don’t use traditional computers.

They know apps like NewPipe exist but the effort to port things over or not get recommendations is too much for them.


I do use ad blockers and open source front ends/software/alternatives. Ex. AntennaPod instead of Spotify for podcasts and Linux instead of Windows because I didn’t like ads in the start menu (amongst numerous other things).

bjoern_tantau,
@bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

I’m so proud of my kids who will demand adblockers if something in their YouTube app or their browser is broken. Even though they like to see toy ads now and then. But when they get the amount a regular mortal receives it’s too much, even for them.

CorrodedCranium, (edited )
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

I get you. I like receiving honest real reviews for things rather than be advertised to. Let their quality speak for it. I also hate even minor spoilers for movies/TV shows/video game that you see in trailers.

PancakeBrock,

The biggest thing I miss from seeing ads is knowing what movies are in theaters… And I never think about looking haha.

lud,

2 alternatives could be to follow an RSS feeds for trailers or turn on notifications for a movie trailer or review YouTube channel.

Viking_Hippie,

My mom uses Edge, told me not to block Facebook ads and clicks on most of the clickbait articles on her MSN home page. It’s like she WANTS them to collect as much data to sell and spy on her as much as possible 🤦

themurphy,

You’ll be surprised how many people likes ads, and likes how much they know about you.

I don’t agree, but I can see the logic in that. If you see ads anyway, why not see them specialised to you making them somewhat relevant.

Awful take I know, but it’s the reality for many people.

GoosLife,

That’s not necessarily an awful take, to be fair. That is arguably to the benefit of the consumer, that they can learn about products that are relevant to them.

Trainguyrom,

I’m completely disconnected from what new movies and TV shows come out after years of blocking all ads. I can see wanting to change but ads have only gotten more annoying so I have no desire to change yet

BraveSirZaphod,
@BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social avatar

Personally, I get actually relevant Instagram ads pretty frequently, particularly for various events that I'm interested in. I've seen more than a few shows specifically because I saw an Instagram ad.

I'd naturally prefer no ads, but when they are necessary - and someone does have to pay the costs of running large platforms - I would prefer them to be actually relevant. It's still ultimately my decision as to whether I buy something or not.

elgordio,

I don’t, without the advertising a lot of the content can’t exist and I like the context to exist.

HackyHorse3000,

Yeah, that’s generally my take as well. Can’t exactly expect people to make, curate and host content without any kind of funding, and despite what people may claim, it’s a very low percentage of people who will actively pay for what they consume.

themurphy, (edited )

Then I have the Plugin for you two.

AdNauseam

They block all ads like uBlock, but they make sure to click and view them first without you noticing. They’ll also send the wrong information about you to the advertisers.

The content creators will actually receive more money that way.

Showroom7561,

This is a double edge sword.

Ad revenue has enabled poor content to exist.

Ads on useful content detracts from that content, and disrespects a user’s time/attention.

JackGreenEarth,

If you pay them a single one time purchase of £1, that will be worth more to them than all the adverts you ever have or will watch.

Rentlar,

I have AdNauseum on with the “Hide Ads” button unchecked and “leave non-tracking ads alone” option enabled. Privacy Badger is on too to detect tracking scripts.

I can safely ignore ads generally but what I want is to discourage the practice of annoying placements to farm clicks. If they want clicks then they can have as many of my fake ones as they wish.

jjjalljs, (edited )

Lady I used to sit next to at work didn’t use an ad blocker. She also would have like the “do you want to install this plugin?” thing open in her ide for weeks. I don’t know how she did it. She’s a software developer so she’s reasonably tech literate. It just didn’t bother her enough to think about doing something about it.

LemmyKnowsBest,

reminds me of one of my coworkers years ago, we all had cubicle desk computer jobs but oh Lord she had so many scribbled on post-it notes stuck all over her cubicle and all over the edge of her computer screen 🤦‍♀️ She was an older lady close to retirement age.

Poem_for_your_sprog,

Some people just prefer post it notes.

I used to use a notepad but now there’s too much going on so I have to use a spreadsheet.

Tolstoy,
@Tolstoy@lemmy.world avatar

By default I’m using adblocker but when I notice I’m visiting a new site more frequently like wikis for games, I disable it and keep it off if the site is usable.

lustrum,

I need to start doing this more. I just forget

hemko,

if the site is usable

Unfortunately most of them are in Fandom so that’s a big no.

JoBo,

If you do use one what other blocking do you use to circumvent data collection, YouTube and reddit front ends and things alike?

Firefox on maximum security will get rid of all cookies when you close the window (ie exit from Firefox, not just close the tab). If there are sites that require cookies, you can use Firefox containers to stop it collecting data across other sites).

I do use adblockers but there are sites which deserve the revenue (and don’t bombard you with shite) so I try to remember to whitelist them. But I’m not as diligent about this as I should be. Someone does have to pay for it and we don’t have a decent system to do that without advertising (yet). I can’t subscribe to the eleventy million sites I visit so advertising is a necessary evil (atm). Obviously, denying bad sites the advertising revenue is a public service, so there’s that.

7355608,

I asked a friend of mine about this recently and she told me it was because it helps her kids learn patience.

That got me thinking about it, I personally learned a rather large amount of patience because of ads when I was growing up so it made a lot of sense to me.

LemmyKnowsBest,

Ads teach people patience? That is the worst justification for ads I’ve ever heard. She’s probably in the advertisement industry so she’s pro-ads.

or she’s not computer literate enough to install ad blockers and too proud to admit her lack of computer literacy.

Piemanding,

As long as she doesn’t buy anything they ask for that is coming from ads and tells them that the products advertised are probably the worst of their kind I would be okay with it.

focusforte,

No, they have a point. In hindsight, I definitely can see how the unskipable ads of cable TV resulted in a greater deal of patience. I’d be interested to see a more academic study of it, but anecdotally I definitely can see it.

Tja,

Holy shit, this is worse than reddit lately. You read an anecdote about a lady, made up her whole life and got angry about what you just made up. Fucking hell.

Honytawk,

Not her whole life, just the argument she was using.

cjsolx,

And as the coup de grâce, their name is LemmyKnowsBest.

AtariDump,

Ads growing up didn’t track you all over the internet.

JustSomePerson,

No, because I want the content that I consume to be financially viable. You either accept the ads, or seek out other sites with other payment models.

ShroOmeric,

Or, I do whatever I want. Since that is an option.

JustSomePerson,

Sure. You can. But it comes with the risk that the content you're consuming will go away.

Nobody is obliged to create things for you for free.

the_post_of_tom_joad,

I don’t understand how someone can have a take this cartoonishly ridiculous in 2024. Are you effin serious me boy? I mean dude.

Maybe you’re just book smart. I… Whew! I don’t like to ad hominem but goddamn

ShroOmeric, (edited )

Never said anyone is “obliged”. Content will go away anyway eventually, or more often I will go away before the end.

To say it all: usually I find content interesting as long as the creator is doing it out of passion. There is a very clear difference the moment he/she realizes it is possible to get money out of it: and that’s when I usually find another creator.

Honytawk,

If the content I am using can’t exist without my data harvested and me blasted with ads, I rather not have the content.

calypsopub,

This. I don’t skip the ads on creators I like because I want them to keep creating.

squid_slime,
@squid_slime@lemmy.world avatar

Fuck that, the internet is free and for the people, let’s make it unviable so we can reclaim it!

TimewornTraveler,

can i have sex with your spouse too

ExtraMedicated,

I haven’t bothered yet because I don’t really frequent the types of sites where the ads get in the way (although my occasional Youtube visits are starting to convince me to use one).

I do use a plugin made by the EFF that blocks certain tracking cookies though.

DoctorWhookah,

This certain plugin, is it Privacy Badger?

ExtraMedicated,

That’s the one!

focusforte,

I don’t use ad blockers on YouTube because the creators that I watch on YouTube are people who I actually care about. I watch content on YouTube from real people who I want to be able to profit off of me watching their video. Ad blockers are effectively piracy, your taking the content without the agreed upon price, in this case, the price of the content is the ads.

And I don’t make that comparison to convince anyone that they shouldn’t use an ad blocker, I just think the decision of where to use ad blockers should be made with the understanding that you are pirating any content that you consume while using an ad blocker. Are you willing to pirate something from some random mega corporation? I am. Are willing to pirate content from this niche 3D printing YouTube content creator that you enjoy? I’m not.

As a default, I do use an ad blocker, but I will disable the ad blocker for any website that I can trust enough to not have malicious ads, especially websites that i want to financially support. Because for me all it means is sacrificing a little bit of bandwidth to load the ad that I’m just going to ignore anyway.

dXq9dwg4zt,

your taking the content without the agreed upon price

At what point was a price agreed upon?

Tja,

Usually when you click on ‘I Agree’

Honytawk,

ToS holds no power in a court. Real agreement do.

focusforte,

We’re not talking about what holds power in a court, we’re talking about functional reality.

What you can get away with on a technicality in court is irrelevant to whether or not it’s piracy.

By a legal definition, no, ad blocking is probably not piracy. I’m no lawyer but I would wager that Piracy is probably more strictly defined than that. My point though is that it is functionally the exact same thing as piracy.

Ad supported content is distributed based on the advertising income paying for the distribution. If you are blocking that advertising in a way that prevents compensation to the content creator you are consuming that content without the creator getting paid the price that they set for the content.

focusforte, (edited )

The price was agreed upon in the same way that the price in the grocery store is agreed upon.

The content provider set the price, in this case, the price being consuming an advertisement.

To be totally clear, I absolutely advocate for piracy in some situations, I’m not going to get into the weeds and talk about the specifics when I do or do not advocate for it, but to extend upon the grocery store analogy, there are also some situations where I would absolutely advocate for someone to steal from the grocery store. And I’m not going to get into the weeds and talk about the specifics for when I do or do not advocate for that either. The point though is by calling ad blocking piracy I’m not making a moral judgment on whether or not it is right or wrong, I’m just pointing out that it is functionally the exact same thing.

fleabs,
@fleabs@lemmy.world avatar

You say you’ll disable the ad blocker for sites that don’t push malicious ads? I’ve reported half a dozen deepfake “investment” ads on YouTube in the last couple of months, and they have done nothing about it. The ads YouTube pushes are horrible!

focusforte,

People advertising shady things is not the same thing as a malicious ad, at least not in the context of the point I’m trying to make. By malicious ad I’m referring to those things that pretend to not be an ad at all, they pretend to be the download button or a notification of an unread message, or something along those lines.

I may not be using the terminology exactly right, but that’s the kind of thing I’m referring to. And YouTube does. A YouTube does a perfectly fine job at being transparent when something is an advertisement and when it’s organic content. They’re not maliciously being deceptive at what is an ad and what isn’t.

Newtra, (edited )

Are willing to pirate content from this niche 3D printing YouTube content creator that you enjoy? I’m not.

I cleanse my conscience by supporting many of them on Patreon.

Accidentally clicking on clickbait without an adblocker directly results in a spammer getting money, and that just makes me feel like crap. There’s so much spam out there that wouldn’t exist without ads, which makes it harder for quality creators to get attention and fair compensation. I feel I can only engage with the internet ethically by refusing to participate in the ad economy.

It sucks that alternative payment models like Brave’s “Basic Attention Token” (or a fairer alternative) never got popular. The idea was to track the creators of websites/videos/etc. you visit and automatically split your monthly donation between them. IIRC it was proportional to the number of ads blocked for each creator, but you could tweak creators’ multipliers to deny profit to spam and reward higher-quality creators. I’d also accept microtransactions for individual videos, news articles, etc. but no platforms for these exist because the big players in internet monetization are all so focused on ads.

focusforte,

Yes! This is exactly the kind of thing I’d rather see too. More directly financing the creators you enjoy.

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