Venat0r, (edited )

Porsche used to agree, until 1998.

frezik,

Surface area of the fin stack matters. An air cooler will always be limited by the space available around the CPU. A water cooling radiator has more flexibility to be placed in around the case.

That said, having less than a 360mm AIO is probably a waste. Also, higher end Intel chips these days are so power hungry that they can’t be physically cooled properly with the surface area available on the package.

soggy_kitty,

“having less than a 360 AIO is a waste” no, the entire SFF community would disagree with you there

MucherBucher,

By extension, air cooling is global thermal mass cooling, which, by extension is radiative cooling, which by extension is universal entropy cooling or whatever you’d call that.

helixdaunting,

THERE IS, AS YET, INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER.

blahsay,

Thanks Multivac!

Aceticon, (edited )

It depends on which part of the environment the heat is being exchanged with - if your watercooling system is releasing heat to the ground under your house or a somebody else suggested (which is even more effective) a river next to your house, it’s not at all equivalent to air cooling.

Further, the heat storage capacity of a material depends on both the kind of material and its mass, so almost all liquids have a higher heat sforage capacity per unit of volume than air (certainly water does) and solids even more (much more, given their much higher density) so even in the big scheme of things (i.e. were will most of that heat end up in given enough time), even heat released by a watercoolong system to the air will mostly end up in tne Earth’s crust and oceans and only a tiny fraction of it will remain in the athmosphere.

Honytawk,

Even if the water is used from a river, the heat still gets dissipated into the air from the surface of that river.

So river cooling is still just air cooling with extra steps.

Aceticon,

As I pointed out further down in my comment, solids and liquids have a much higher heat capacity than air (or in other words, they can absorb a lot more heat before they warm up), so most of the heat dissipated to the river would end up stored in the Earth’s Crust and Oceans and very little of it in the Air.

ADTJ,

It all makes its way into the cold vacuum of space eventually

Iron_Lynx, (edited )

Water cooling at what kind of scale? Since you can engineer a system with the final heat exchanger to the environment stuck in a river. Is that air cooling with extra steps?

If we’re talking PC’s though, yes. You’re right.

funktion, (edited )

Some guy once built a geocooled system back in I think 2010, just to cool quad SLI 580s. He had some crazy 6-screen Sony FW900 setup with a fresnel lens.

turmacar,

LinusTechTips has a cooling system that uses a water loop under his backyard pool to water cool an entire home server rack.

Granted uptime seems… less than ideal. They keep not hiring a plumber to do/inspect it and effectively re-jury-rigging it for videos. But solid (liquid) idea.

MystikIncarnate,

Well yes. It is. Liquid cooling does have merits. I won’t say it’s better than air cooling in a general sense; at the end of the day, the heat ends up in the air.

With liquid cooling, you can transport it further, use larger radiators… The list goes on.

My key point is that as long as the components get cooled, who cares which you use? Do what you want.

NoIWontPickaName,

Air cooling is just an intermediate product of nuclear fusion

Evil_Shrubbery,

Idk, needs more steps, put a Peltier in it, a heat exchanger with a second loop, and don’t forget the compressor for extra chill.

And also make it so that the end radiator doesn’t radiate heat into the air but into the ground instead, so that it won’t be just air cooling with extra steps.

brown567,

Air cooling is just radiative cooling with extra steps

Iron_Lynx,

nah, radiative cooling means that radiation is the only mechanism for heat exchange in use. I’m pretty sure most modern air coolers use forced convection as one of their heat exchange mechanisms.

MostlyHarmless,

The heat released into the atmosphere has to go somewhere. The only place it can go is to be radiated into space

trafficnab,

Every type of cooling is just entropy

Blue_Morpho,

How does heat get from the water radiator to the air?

Radiation.

Atoms don’t physically touch. The electrostatic force that both binds atoms into molecules and keeps molecules separated is mediated by photon exchange.

Iron_Lynx,

Counterpoint: at the boundary layers, right where the air touches the fins, the main mechanism for heat exchange is conduction. Ultimately, convection is just conduction, where the medium undergoing heat conduction is a moving fluid, which massively amplifies the rate of heat exchange.

Air is kinda shit at taking in heat through radiation, but fine at doing so via conduction and convection.

Blue_Morpho,

conduction

The metal atoms in the fins don’t move into the air. They stay on the fins. The fins’ atoms have to transfer their kinetic energy via photon exchange to the atoms in the air.

So conduction is radiation at atomic distances.

Iron_Lynx,

Ah, I see we’re getting to the point where it’s hard to tell if we’re being philosophical or pedantic.

Socsa,

The whole point for AIO water loops is that you have more flexibility in radiator placement. For advanced systems you can beat static copper tubes pretty easily by moving more water.

scottmeme,

Have you seen what Linus did with his pool lmao

Thermal_shocked,

Shit in it?

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Common mistake, you’re thinking of the goodwill he used to have with his audience that he shit in.

MystikIncarnate,

Oh, so that’s what I taste whenever I watch those videos now…

It’s shit.

… Never ate shit before, so I had no idea that is what it tastes like.

frezik, (edited )

The one where he complained about the cost of running a pump and tubing out to a fucking swimming pool? Like, yes, this is going to cost more than a very good gaming PC.

Ilovethebomb,

Unless you’re in a boat, in which case you’re likely using a water to water heat exchanger.

hissingmeerkat,

Air cooling is just vacuum cooling with extra steps.

KairuByte,
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I get the joke, but the vacuum is usually before the fans, inside the heat pipes.

IWantToFuckSpez,

And it’s the fluid inside the heat pipe doing the cooling not the vacuum,

KairuByte,
@KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Yes and no. Remove the vacuum and the heat pipe no longer works. I mean, it works, but it’s no longer a heat pipe.

lemming741,

Buy air cooler

Look inside

Water

haych,

AIO Liquid Coolers suck, good performance but they’ll eventually get worse as water evaporate and they don’t all offer proper ways to refill, a custom loop is far superior, but then custom loops are such big effort and cost.

I’ll stick to my Hyper 212 Turbo.

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