Guy_Fieris_Hair, (edited ) It is whatever you buy a battery and charger for first. Then you are unwilling to forfeit that battery to just buy another tool. So you get another tool of the same brand, even if you aren’t happy with the previous. Then at that point, you’ve gone to far. You’ve got several hundred dollars in batteries you would have to give up just to switch. It is the most blatant example of the sunken cost fallacy.
Ryobi, specifically has entry level tools (a basic drill) that come with a charger and battery for cheaper than you can even buy a battery by itself. When you’re young and broke and all you need to do is hang some curtains or something you get it. But really, it is just a seed for your future “house” that you belong to.
RealBot, Would there be a way to 3D print plastic part of a battery and just fill it with standard battery types (cylindrical batteries) and make them swapable? Because as far as i know there isn’t really any electronics in batteries, just different voltages based on number of batteries in series and different mounting mechanism. It just seems like a silly vendor lock-in.
Plavatos, Feels like something the EU would eventually work on settling: making all tool manufacturers have a non-proprietary connector.
DarthBueller, I’m just waiting for the other shoe to drop and for a Belgian or something to drop in here to say that they’ve had fully interchangeable batteries for the last twenty years, and then make fun of us for building houses out of wood because we didn’t clear cut our continent.
BigPotato, Just fucking make it all XT90 or something.
fallingcats, And have the battery dangling?
SpookySnek, More people should know there actually are adapters for different brands of batteries on amazon, and thingiverse if you have a 3D printer
thallamabond, Looking for this comment, I’m still running my craftsman 19.2 volt tools, but with a 20v DeWalt adapter, saved my from throwing away 1 reciprocating saw, 1 light, 1 1/4" impact, 2 drills, 1 90° drill, and a circular saw.
BigPotato, And if you don’t have a 3D printer, your local library likely does.
BigPotato, And if you don’t have a 3D printer, your local library likely does.
variants, Dewalt battery on a Dyson vacuum as well
snowe, A bunch of much better ones on Etsy too
SpookySnek, Thanks for the tip :)
31337, Fucking Ridgid got me, because on paper, they have lifetime warranties on their batteries. But after buying an expensive combo, they made it an absolute hassle to register my tools, so I kinda doubt they’ll honor their warranty. Now I’m Ridgid + Dewalt. My corded tools and hand tools are whatever brand; harbor freight or walmart if not used often, Milwaukee, DeWalt, etc if I expect to use them often.
Ilovethebomb, I actually did a lot of research on this when I bought my first battery tools, knowing this would be the case, and decided they had a decent range of everything I’d likely need.
I went with AEG.
xenspidey, Which is TTI, so the same as Milwaukee, Ryobi, and Rigid. I wonder if they are more of a non-US rebranded one of those 3
Ilovethebomb, They’re identical to Ridgid, including the batteries being compatible.
tal, It is whatever you buy a battery and charger for first. Then you are unwilling to forfeit that battery to just buy another too
One could go pneumatic, get a compressor and pneumatic tools.
Blue_Morpho, That’s only good if you can bring your work to your garage.
tal, You can get portable compressors.
Blue_Morpho, I’m not hauling my portable compressor into my attic, nor do I have an extension cord that can reach the end of my yard. It stays in my garage. Even then I prefer battery tools because of the noise when the compressor kicks on.
Grabthar, I have a 100’ air hose that reaches anywhere in the house. I often run it outside and back in a window somewhere so it doesn’t end up in the way of family. I also have a small compressor for airbrushing rather than running permanent air lines from the garage to my basement workshop. You’ll still want cordless convenience for a drill and some other small tools though.
benignintervention, I found a set of Makita tools for 60% off last year and now I’m Makita battery dependent for the rest of my life
Guy_Fieris_Hair, (edited ) In 10 years you will have thousands of dollars in makita tools because hey, that hammer drill you needed was only $110, better get another battery too, your old ones are getting tired. 🤷♂️ and you will always have makita tools, forever. Even if you hate them.
evranch, I used to be ride or die for Makita as an electrician, but they’ve gone downhill lately and their battery prices are insane! Used to be a Makita could fall off a ladder onto the chuck and bounce. Last year my crew had two drills newly bought that year CATCH FIRE and one strip the gearbox. Embarassing performance.
I’ve pivoted to Ridgid with their dirt cheap batteries with lifetime warranty. And I have a couple Ridgid->Makita adapters to use my new collection of Ridgid batteries with my tough old Makita tools. Battery adapters will free you from that lock-in.
Honestly I’ve been impressed with the Ridgid tools though, same manufacturer as Milwaukee and Ridgid has always been a big brand with plumbers. The brushless tools I’ve bought have been powerful and robust so far. No regrets
PraiseTheSoup, So TTI manufactures Milwaukee, Ryobi, and Ridgid power tools. I didn’t know they did Ridgid too. I wonder how many manufacturers there really are for the plethora of power tool brands. I’m gonna guess like three.
DarthBueller, Wait TTI does dewalt too? I thought dewalt was same co as Milwaukee.
Telecaster615, DeWalt is Stanley Black and Decker not tti
hydrospanner,
phoneymouse, (edited ) Yeah Ryobi is dirt cheap and good enough for most things. When you need to add another tool, choosing between the one that doesn’t have a battery and the one that does but is twice the price has a big influence on your decision.
Also, I’m not a contractor, so I only use certain tools once every six months. Have yet to have anything fail on me. If it does, maybe I’ll upgrade. Certain tools have already paid for themselves in that they saved me from needing to hire someone else. Just getting a pole saw and hedge trimmer alone saved me probably $700.
I do have a few of the other brands, but they were damn pricey and I don’t use them enough to justify it.
jasondj, I really dislike Home Depot after a series of huge customer service mishaps with me last year, and actively avoid going there now.
Which is a shame because I have a lot of Ryobi One tools. They are perfectly positioned for weekend warriors…huge tool library, good batteries, affordable and of fairly decent quality (certainly well above “junk” and a good value for the money).
Shame that is a store-exclusive brand.
The worst part is I’ve bought into most of the cordless tools I’d really need. The day might come where I want a larger circular saw (mines only 5.5 and it is prone to binding if your technique isn’t perfect, and even then…) or find that some of the tools that I’m okay with having corded (like a jigsaw or an angle grinder) I now need a cordless replacement. At that point I’ll likely find myself buying into a better and more expensive battery system and, for quite a while, only having the one seldom-used tool for it.
Now I’ve got a dead 4Ah battery and I’m on the fence as to rebuild it, buy a new one, or take it as an opportunity to start going into a new battery system.
sxan, Quality-wise, Makita > DeWALT ≥ Milwaukee > Ryobi, at least, if you watch teardowns by guys like AvE.
Power tools are like cars; companies hold several brands and target them to different market segments, like Porsche and VW.
Ryobi is owned by the same company as Milwauki; it’s the budget line, Milwauki being their premium line.
DeWALT and Black & Decker are owned by the same company; DeWALT is their premium line.
The exception in this list is Makita, which is its own company. They’re also objectively more well-built than the others (here), and correspondingly usually more expensive.
The premium lines are better quality (not just more expensive) but also tend to have smaller battery-tool options. Despite being a budget line, I mostly own B&D because most of my tools these days are 24V and there are more tool options there. The few, select, DeWALT tools I have are noticably better quality.
I don’t use power tools enough to justify Makita, but also, their battery-powered line is comparatively tiny. As someone else said, there’s a lot of motivation to pick a (compatible) lane, whichever it is. For most home-gamers, the quality difference will probably not matter much. If I were made of money, though, I’d have everything Makita except for the things they don’t make.
Blackmist, I could have been a member of house Makita, but house DeWalt was slightly closer and it was raining on the day I needed a drill.
sxan, I really like DeWALT. I think it’s a solid choice, and I doubt anyone who isn’t a professional will notice the difference in quality between those and Makita. Plus, they have some neat tools that have unusual features that make an unexpectedly large improvement in ease-of-use.
WetBeardHairs, It drives me nuts that Milwaukee used to be the best line about 10 years ago. They sold out their good name and started selling shitty tools after I bought into their battery system. Grrr.
Socsa, Ryobi is a distant fourth tbh. It’s basically harbor freight tools but, Home depot.
sxan, Yeah, this is like a game of, “one of these things is not like the other.” Ryobi is not in the same league as the others.
pendulous, Interesting, I would rank it: Milwaukee >= Dewalt > Makita >… Ryobi. Makita always feels like it was great for 20yrs ago.
scottywh, Makita is still great.
pendulous, Definitely, all the top 3 are.
abraxas, My tool experience is limited, but with Makita you seem to be describing the same anachronism principle you find in espresso machines.
Arguably the best espresso machines in a class are reminescent of the same model you found 40+ years ago. If you’re looking for the B+ range, everything worth buying has a big metal E61 grouphead with manual levers. In the S-class range, you tend to have more manual levers as often as bells or whistles. My new machine that cost more than I deserve (wife bought it) is basically an oldschool machine with nothing modern in it but a PID controller. Legend has it, it will be passed down in my family for generations to come (exaggeration, but not much).
sxan, Hmmm. You may be right. I have owned no Makitas. I’m going by tear-down videos. AvE may have gone a bit off the rails, but he’s done some really good tear-downs of different tools, and looked at the quality of the materials, the casting, the motors, switches, and so on. He consistently was impressed by Makita’s build quality… but all of those videos are, like, 6 years old, or older.
It’d be too bad if even the “good” makers like Makita went the quantity-over-quality commercial route.
pendulous, Yeah, they aren’t bad tools at all, (Except some of the batteries) They are just a bit dated and bulky compared to the other 2.
turmacar, One of the things that convinced me to go Makita when choosing my “house” was that they don’t have separate high and low voltage battery systems. Dewalt, Ryobi, and the others have a 18v/20v system and a 36v/40v system. Makita has bigger tools that you plug two batteries into and by the power of math you have a 36v tool off two of regular batteries.
At least when I was looking that was a unique thing to them and seemed like a great idea.
Mammothmothman, But im a craftsman…
Voyajer, You stand behind DeWalt and behave for Black and Decker
Mammothmothman, I have a B&D corded drill from the 1980s that is still ripping through steel no problem.
bustrpoindextr, Old craftsman or new? Because if new you might not be Craftsman very long. Old craftsman tools will outlive us all and if you can find them at a garage sale, buy em.
New craftsman tools are pretty much just junk.
lightnsfw, What’s considered old? I have some craftsman tools from 20 years ago that are junk.
bustrpoindextr, I believe the cutoff is in the 80’s?
Mammothmothman, For what i use them for my craftsman electric cordless set does the job. Thats what I want in a tool. They have done the job for 5 years now no problems.
altima_neo, Their battery power tools are completely unrelated to whatever craftsman used to be.
bustrpoindextr, All of their tools are completely unrelated to what craftsman used to be.
tim-clark, Makita still going strong after 15yrs of use. They were the best at the time and still works amazing today with backwards compatibility batteries. My 15yrs old driver can use a brand new battery that a 2023 model uses.
Drill a 1/2" hole through 4" thick stainless without a hiccup on a single battery. Then tap the hole on the same battery. Impressive power and reliable
thehatfox, I used to use cheapo tools, but I borrowed a Makita circular saw once and it was so nice to use in comparison that I’ve been on team teal ever since.
Fuck_u_spez_, 4 inch thick stainless steel? What in tarnation is that for?
lightnsfw, Killdozer2
Kittenstix, Custom bunker door installation?
BigDanishGuy, Port holes in armored vehicles, so the soldiers can stick their rifles out of and shoot at people.
BigDanishGuy, What I’m more intrigued by is that OP didn’t say that they use any kind of guide or frame to hold the power drill. Try drilling 10cm by hand straight enough that it makes sense to tap the hole.
tim-clark, Free hand, lots of practice. The threaded hole was to add a lift point, didn't need to be perfectly perpendicular
tim-clark, Adding a lift point. Did 12 of them and the driver was on the toasty side when done
Fuck_u_spez_, A lift point on what, though?
KingThrillgore, (edited ) There used to be a great fifth house of Craftsman…
And let’s not even talk about Snap-on, Northern, or AmazonBasics
AtmaJnana, Harbor Freight’s off-brand chinesium is where it’s at.
Franzia, Stanley
Blackmist, That’s DeWALT now. All rolled up into the Black and Decker-verse.
Franzia, 💀 lmao
jubilationtcornpone, Good old Craftsman. Their power tools have been on the lower end of the quality scale for years. The acquisition by S - B&D pretty well cemented that. But you can pry my 1991 10" Belt Drive table saw from my cold, dead hands.
KingThrillgore, (edited ) I actually have a set of some 74 hand tools from Craftsman my dad gifted me in 1995, and surprisingly they have lasted me for some 30-something years in excellent condition. Power tools, I can’t go that far back. I imagine B&D has ruined everything Sears left behind.
MonkRome, Meh, I have Bosch, Ryobi, DeWalt, Ego, Ridgid. Why not just by the best according to cost/benefit for each thing. Corporate loyalty is dumb. I get the battery thing, but I’m pretty sure I got most of the tools at a good enough price to make the different batteries irrelevant.
Nomecks, Battery and charger sprawl?
MonkRome, Not all my tools are battery operated, corded jigsaw, sander, miter saw, table saw, etc. Not all the batteries hold the same purpose and would need a different charger either way. An electric drill and leaf blower need entirely different levels of power. In the grand scheme of things I think I only overlapped charging systems once.
Nomecks, I think you’ve missed the point of this thread.
MonkRome, That we should all argue about which of the crappy budget brands is the best just because they have a unified battery system? No thanks.
HeavyDogFeet, I don’t have many tools (or any children) but if I’m buying a bunch of battery operated stuff, you can be sure it’s all going to be able to use the same batteries and chargers.
MonkRome, I’ve only overlapped charging systems of the same type once. It’s really not a big deal.
HeavyDogFeet, I’m sure you’re right and it wouldn’t be an issue, but I’m anal about reducing redundancy and complication wherever I can. If I can have one place to charge everything and don’t have to check what belongs to what, I’ll do it.
pandacoder, I honestly am not sure I’ve ever heard of the bottom two, I’m a second generation DeWalter (though my dad also used Ryobi).
BingoBangoBongo, Milwaukee is generally considered the best brand for heavy professional work in the US. DeWalt is a close second
DarthBueller, Maybe where you’re from. DeWalt is the premium brand, Milwaukee is the second tier from the same manufacturer.
BingoBangoBongo, Interesting take. I’ve spent a lot of time in the trades and if your a plumber with DeWalt no one will take you seriously. You’re also just wrong about manufacturer my guy. Milwaukee is in same umbrella as Ridgid and Ryobi, with Ridgid actually being the second tier. Milwaukee is so good, tti gives them operational independance. DeWalt makes really good stuff, but in 1 to 1 comparison Milwaukee usually wins.
DarthBueller, I’m just flat wrong. I’ll own it :)
pandacoder, Oh Rigid is another name I haven’t heard in a long time, feels like a bit of a throwback
BingoBangoBongo, Ridgid actually slaps imo. My dad owns a lot of their line, and we can beat it to shit and most of it keeps kicking. The octane line was weirdly fragile, and the old batteries stunk. Aside from that, you cant beat the warranty.
dukk, Hey, me too! Only really use them for the occasional hobby project, just went with what my dad went with.
DarthBueller, Disappointed metabo isnt represented. Used to be hitachi? I’ve got a pneumatic brad nailer from them and it’s both wondrous and affordable.
jimbolauski, My Hitachi miter saw is great, there’s little to no play or flex I liked it better than my dewalt that got stolen
DrMango, And if you’re a dad who has a woodworking YouTube channel and business: Festool.
jimbolauski, I’d give my right arm to outfit my garage with festool but that wouldn’t even cover the down payment.
sleepdrifter, I’m scared to mention Kobalt in here
ChickenLadyLovesLife, I dream of owning Kobalt tools one day as I use my Harbor Freight cheapies.
captain_aggravated, I’ve goy thay Kobalt router table, and it’s pretty good.
Cheems, Nearly every single kobalt tool I’ve had has broken or just stopped so quickly. They are such a small step above harbor freight that it isn’t worth my time anymore.
sleepdrifter, The power drill my dad got me a decade ago still works, and locked me in… I have done some med-duty ranch work with it and it still drills
fubarx, (edited ) Straight up Ryobi here. It’s not pro-hardcore, but for homeowner DIY and the variety and range of devices, it’s been solid.
Pretty funny how Home Depot has stayed neutral and carried all those brands.
mohammed_alibi, On top of Ryobi tools, when my Dyson cordless vac battery stopped holding a charge, I bought a Ryobi -> Dyson adapter, and now my Dyson vacuum also uses Ryobi batteries. Wife was really impressed with it because you can just swap out a new battery and keep on vacuuming. Also the vacuum actually make use of that battery way more than any of the actual power tools I have.
BottleOfAlkahest, I’ve found that any project my Ryobi isn’t suited for is a project I would have opted to hire a professional anyway. 99% of people can get away with Ryobi 99% of the time. That remaining 1% really isn’t worth the increased price from brands like Dewalt.
Patches, (edited ) Maybe I am a gorilla but every time I buy Ryobi - it breaks before the first job is done.
I got a Ryobi pressure washer and not even 2 hours into washing - it exploded like a fuckin bomb. Home Depot gave me a refund for the pressure washer but not my pants.
DarthBueller, Jesus thats got to be a defect on a scale that impacts an entire run or something. Do they use cintered aluminum in their pump housings or something?!
Agent641, Im a ryobi slut too, mainly for the price, except for a few old Metabo grinders which are built like brick shithouses and will probably outlive me.
DarthBueller, Metabo for the win!!! I’ve got a metabo pneumatic brad nailer and it’s high quality, light, and affordable AF.
phoneymouse, Same… it’s hard to justify getting the most expensive tools when I only use them once every 3-6 months. If other people want to spend their money keeping up with tool brands that’s a competition I’ll gladly lose. Got better things to spend my money on.
Socsa, (edited ) They are fine for anything which doesn’t require precision. I have a Ryobi bench sander and it’s a complete waste of time. Same with the chop saw I unused to have. It was basically impossible to get flush miters from it no matter how much you adjusted it - the tolerances were just too low. My DeWalt table saw and Chop saw don’t have the same issues. They cut sub-mm precision on day one and still do years later. The table saw in particular is technically a worksite saw, buy you can use it to build cabinets with the right blade.
Zink, This was me, with my few random ryobi tools, until I needed something new and saw one of those big combos of several tools from DeWalt was half price. So I lucked out being in the right place at the right time and got the best of both worlds.
Patches, In case you are not aware you can get Adapters for one battery system to another. They make Ryobi to DeWalt and then back again.
Obviously don’t use them with the chargers.
Zink, Good to know, thanks!
Fortunately I already have like 4 DeWalt batteries. Somebody gave me a couple as a gift some time after I got the tool set. We definitely still have a Ryobi battery or two around as well!
hOrni, You remember how Harry chose the house he wanted to be in, and it’s canon, that the sorting hat ward isn’t definite? When I was buying my first tool, I wanted a Ryobi. But they didn’t have it in stock and they did have Makita on sale and the sales guy told me that would be much better for the same price. So after that I’m buying only Makita, to fit the rest.
Patches, Well… was he right?
Llewellyn, Of course. Didn’t you watch Harry Potter?
Patches, (edited ) I did but I’m still not convinced Harry was better off in Gryffindor
hOrni, I can’t tell. I never had an issue, but I’m only using the tool for home use.
Evotech, Any Europeans? Where my Bosch brothers
JunglGeorg, South African here, I too was sorted into the Bosch house
Sway_Chameleon, Side note: They do make a damn fine dish washer! (Not European)
Sway_Chameleon, Not a dad, but definitely team DeWalt.
Dkarma, Yikes.
Wogi, DeFault club checking in.
BaqTraq, House Makita brings honor to our projects with powerful Nippon steel.
Seriously though, back when I worked for a small construction outfit. There were two teams of contractors. One vietnamese, the other Bosnian. They all bought used Makita tools.
I had no idea there even was a market for used tools back then. But it was enough to sell me on them myself. But man, are they pricier.
Wogi, I have hundreds of dollars in DeWalt batteries and it’s too late to turn back now. Give her two chooches for me brothers, I am a fallen warrior.
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