You’re correct here, though It’s hard to take you seriously when you don’t understand what communism even is lol
Bummer, you just deleted your post where you clearly indicate a lack of understanding of communism. Your lack of accountability would siyt a communist system so it’s starting to make sense to me
Bro, you think the government controls the means of production in communism. Where do you get the audacity to claim anybody else doesn’t know what they’re talking about? 😂
I know I’m wasting words with this, but genuinely, read some theory.
Interesting that you think it doesn’t. I suppose that’s why you support it. That is the textbook definition- you know, those things you’re supposed to be reading?
Communism (from Latin communis, ‘common, universal’) is a left-wing to far-left sociopolitical, philosophical, and economic ideology within the socialist movement, whose goal is the creation of a communist society, a socioeconomic order centered around common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange that allocates products to everyone in the society based on need.
It’s tough to get past the first paragraph, so I understand. If you had continued reading you’d understand that this common ownership needs to be enacted by the State. I’ll wait while that sinks in.
I would agree Mr PP Boy, but my self proclaimed communist friend from childhood loved Stalin. And last I ran into him he was reading Maos theory. Guy was 27 years old at that point too.
So for those of us following along at home, you know a guy who believes a thing, therefore you have applied that belief to all people who proclaim to believe a different thing?
And his friends. And the people in the Marxist Leninist instances here.
Also, another really smart dude I talk to regularlu, he says he would consider himself a Marxists. Probably not a Tankie, but still says stupid shit saying that the war un Ukraine is the US fault and its a result of NATO expansionist. Which is wrong for so many reasons. And his grandma was a communist China apologist.
Communism is stupid, and the people that follow it are dogmatic and have no pragmatic basis for their “theory” other than their feelings. If it offends go cry about it.
Or apparently not replying at all, in this case. My favorite is the Jordan Peterson response, though: “I had over 6 months to prepare for a debate on this topic after decades of claiming to be an expert and showed up to admit I could only be bothered to read his manifesto”
Oh my. What kind of interview is this? He doesn’t let her answer anything but answers his own questions for her. This is ridiculous; she is cool though. ~~youtu.be/3qBN7lUKZVg?si=l9INkjbjdaROmG9h~~
Please tell the world about how awesome communist rule is while in a free democracy. Please let those starving people in those concentration camps in China know how good they have it.
Well, it’s not a fair argument but non-communist countries have starved a lot more people to death than Communist countries ever had, but something tells me you’re not really here to learn anything or that you care for fair arguments.
China really isn’t. They gotta jump through some wild hoops to do business over there. Apparently the way they exchange value between companies is via some share of inventory for sales or whatever. It’s complicated AF, so I don’t know how to explain it.
Julan Du and Chenggang Xu analyzed the Chinese model in a 2005 paper to assess whether it represents a type of market socialism or capitalism. They concluded that China’s contemporary economic system represents a form of capitalism rather than market socialism because: (1) financial markets exist which permit private share ownership—a feature absent in the economic literature on market socialism; and (2) state profits are retained by enterprises rather than being distributed among the population in a social dividend or similar scheme, which are central features in most models of market socialism. Du and Xu concluded that China is not a market socialist economy, but an unstable form of capitalism.[18]
That’s from a Wikipedia. I’m not going to pretend to have a strong grasp on it but it’s state owned enterprises that function, essentially, as private (separate from government). That combined with production for profit > production for use makes it way more in the capitalist spectrum compared to Marxists ideology. Especially considering their human rights record.
Lol yes, abolishment of private property and government ownership of the means of production doesn’t automatically mean authoritarianism. How could I forget? To control a government best thing is to give them more power, gotcha. Thanks for clueing me into your logic steel trap dawg
My authoritarianism comment was in refrence to the “free democracy” comment, homie. Sorry if you need those things spoonfed to you. And state ownership doesn’t automatically mean public ownership. China is a real world example of that. Thanks for clueing me into your idiocy, dipshit.
Oof. I know it’s hard to get educated but it’s worth the effort. I recommend starting with a good encyclopedia. Unless those are simply far right dog whistles in your brain
Communism, political and economic doctrine that aims to replace private property and a profit-based economy with public ownership and communal control of at least the major means of production (e.g., mines, mills, and factories) and the natural resources of a society.
So I looked it up on an online encyclopedia and it looks like communism is public ownership, not government ownership.
I’m not a communist so I might be missing a detail here or there, but this really doesn’t seem like it says anything about state ownership, especially considering the fact that a shorthand definition for communism that my communist friends love saying is “A stateless, classless, moneyless society where goods are distributed from each according to their ability to each according to their need”
Since it seems like you are certain about communism being authoritarian, here is an excerpt from the same encyclopedia (under the dropdown for “what is communism”)
However, over the years others have made contributions—or corruptions, depending on one’s perspective—to Marxist thought. Perhaps the most influential changes were proposed by Soviet leader Vladimir Lenin, who notably supported authoritarianism.
I know many communists love to tie Lenin into communism, but it looks like this encyclopedia indicates that some people think differently about this!
If only getting educated was as easy as a fucking google search, and was almost no effort, instead of speaking out of your ass on something you don’t understand and blind opposition of prevented you from starting with a good ol’ encyclopedia.
You think that a commune can’t have voting? Well that says enough about your level of understanding. Would you really like some light on the definitions of words, or do you think you’re just bringing some slam dunk “haha commies bad” you learned from your grandpa?
Sorry to say to my UK friends, it looks like these people have no manners when it comes to debating. Asking a question and then proceeded to shout over them. I’m surprised they still have viewers.
Holy hell, It hurt watching that so freaking much.
It was not worth watching it just for that moment. I am blown away at how much he kept saying something with a response being the opposite of what he wanted and then him repeating it. “I did protest Obama” “I already told you I don’t know” “I don’t know the number” dude, I am amazed at her patience with a grown man acting like a toddler that didn’t get his way.
Fairly simple, I’m not retarded. Being a Marxist in the 21st century is an actual embarrassment. You probably either hide your disgusting views in public, or most likely, you don’t even leave your house to understand what reality is like.
I mean if you wanna be a dumbass that’s your choice bro, you can keep getting fucked over by daddy government as you please. But don’t come crying to leftists in a few decades when the world’s on fire and your entire life is in ruins lol.
Lol you’re so retarded you unironically believe that a failed murderous ideology that has led to nothing but poverty, famine, tyranny, violence, and eventually collapse is going to totally work this time despite the mountains of evidence that it is a failure in both theory and practice. The history books are crystal clear about. You can use all the whataboutism fallacies with capitalism and no true fallacies about how it wasn’t REAL Marxism on every single attempt in history, you’re not fooling anyone. The current systems are flawed, but a parasitic ideology that’s just as bad, if not worse, than fascism is not and will never be an acceptable solution. There’s a reason why brainless morons cower together in some no name echo chamber like this and larp about revolutionaries. You’ll never see the light of day.
you unironically believe that a failed murderous ideology that has led to nothing but poverty, famine, tyranny, violence, and eventually collapse
Capitalism? Rates of poverty are unbelievably high, starving, tyranny, and violence is too, and extremely capitalist countries are in a constant state of collapse and go into recession every few years causing mass starvation, homelessness, and death. As opposed to even shitty communist countries like the USSR or PRC where they were far better off after communism than before communism, even being authoritarian they still had way better standard of living than when they were extremely capitalist & imperialist. Even Cuba, a small island with a dictatorship which has been cut off from most of the world for a large part of its history and has technology outdated by decades, is doing better than some Republican strongholds in the US, which is pretty embarrassing for a country with as many natural resources as the US.
And even if you don’t want to consider that, there’s pretty much any democratically elected socialist governments which the CIA immediately assassinated & overthrew, which had extremely high success and standards of living increases. But I guess if your democratic leader’s head gets blown off during an artificial American-led coup, that counts as a W for capitalism, aye? Entirely orchestrating uprisings in most previously friendly Latin American countries, Iran, etc. and turning them into authoritarian fascist shitholes certainly is a way to make your ideology seem like the only choice.
Capitalism has caused the deaths and suffering of billions. We have seen dozens, hundreds of capitalist regimes fail tremendously, bringing their entire population down with them, multiple times the amount of communist countries that have even existed. Capitalist countries have caused the worst disasters, the worst famines, the worst mass deaths, far more than even the worst communist regimes somehow. Yet you think you can point to the failures of the few communist countries in history and say that it’s proof your flavor of fascism is totally better than leftism.
I’m not even a communist. I don’t like communism, I don’t like any of the authoritarian regimes that followed a variation of the ideology, I strongly disapprove of the people who think the ideology of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, etc. was in any way at all sustainable. But my God it takes a real idiot to not be able to see how modern right-wing capitalism is just as bad if not worse than even those shitty ideologies, the difference being that capitalism has been given infinite chances to fail under the pretext of “oh tens of millions died from this one event but it’s fine, that’s just normal market fluctuation”. You can’t even call the US a democratic country at this point, it’s an oligarchy for the ultra-rich. Even pointing to other capitalist countries you can see that them partially implementing socialism has made them a far better place than the US, even if still heavily flawed by the capitalism.
is going to totally work this time despite the mountains of evidence that it is a failure in both theory and bla bla bla
Lol yea bro these leftist policies are totally failing in, say, Finland or whatever Euro country is of your desire. Countries that rely on very leftist socdem ideological views which Americans would call “socialist” or even “communist” and have much better equality & standard of living than the US, solely because of those ideologies. Isn’t it funny how the further left these countries go, the higher their standard of living and general success, and the further right they go, the more unstable and worse off they become. For example some select places in Europe have tried tasting right-wing ideology for recently and are paying the price for it (e.g. Germany, Netherlands, Italy). Crazy coincidence, isn’t it.
I’m sure the massive political unrest, attempt to overthrow the government, hundreds of mass shootings, worst healthcare in the developed world, record garbage education, even worse starvation than China and Ukraine, extremely high crime rate, and everything else the US is going through is a sign of a successful ideology. And similar thing in Canada & to a lesser extent the UK. I’m sure it’s those damn communists causing all the issues, if we stray further to the right surely we’ll stop all that nonsense!
The current systems are flawed
“Flawed” is an understatement.
but a parasitic ideology that’s just as bad, if not worse, than fascism is not and will never be an acceptable solution.
You are delusional
There’s a reason why brainless morons cower together in some no name echo chamber like this and larp about revolutionaries.
Looks like r/conservative lost one of their losers. You clearly don’t like this forum, so you can cry on your Reddit echo chamber about how everyone on there is a communist, then whine about people brigading your sub when a people disagree with your opinion, but nobody falls for it here lol.
Preach. All the Society Experts here have come to a conclusion- based on the hardest of evidences - that Democrats are the only good ones they just aren’t left enough. Notice their unwavering homogeneity- it’s not groupthink or any kind of propaganda campaign, it’s just how the Lemmy MENSA brains operate. Why make room for tolerance of dissenting opinions when you just like know you’re totally right?
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