For years I used vanilla vim before finally switching to spacemacs like 4 years ago. I’ve never used neovim, because it just didn’t seem stable and mature enough before I switched to spacemacs and at this point I’m happy with spacemacs and will probably stick with it for the foreseeable future.
My issue with vim, and the reason I switched, is that vimscript was an absolute nightmare. I was doing easy stuff, writing LaTeX, but getting vim to compile LaTeX and talk to my pdf reader (as you need if you’re going to be working with LaTeX in any kind of serious way) took way too much configuration and my setup would break fairly often as well. Spacemacs is significantly easier. I was shocked when I went from “I’ve never used spacemacs before” to “I’m comfortably writing LaTeX here” in about half an hour. My setup still breaks occasionally and sometimes it’s a bit difficult to figure out why and how to fix it, but it’s much easier than vim was, that’s for sure.
I also just like the emacs workflow. I like helm, I like being able to change how the editor works on the fly just by writing some elisp anywhere, I like how easy it is to access the documentation on functions, variables, keybindings, whatever else you might need. I like org-mode. I like that emacs has been around for decades and will be around for decades more.
I’d never heard of doomemacs. I’m pretty happy with spacemacs so I probably won’t switch, but I’ll at least read about it some more.
Ironic that your main complaint about vim would have been solved by switching to Neovim – the weaknesses of vimscript are one of the main reasons Neovim was created, I believe, and it supports Lua as an alternate config language.
I was shocked when I went from “I’ve never used spacemacs before” to “I’m comfortably writing LaTeX here” in about half an hour.
This line really piqued my interest, especially considering that I’ve had another conversation with someone else in which the general sentiment seemed to be that “Spacemacs expects you to know Emacs, while being a completely different beast of itself.”. May I ask how your Spacemacs is configured? Would you say it’s close to the default config? Or rather a significant departure? Furthermore, I believe I’ve read the existence of some kind of version control. Which, at least by the name of it, should somehow contribute to a more stable experience. Or am I perhaps confusing things?
My setup still breaks occasionally and sometimes it’s a bit difficult to figure out why and how to fix it
Does this happen randomly? Or rather as a ‘response’?
I like being able to change how the editor works on the fly just by writing some elisp anywhere
This sounds very interesting and promising. Would you mind providing an example of sorts such that I can perhaps better grasp both the sheer amount of new possibilities it provides as well as its (possible) limitations (if at all)?
I like that emacs has been around for decades and will be around for decades more.
I wholeheartedly agree! But, I am at least somewhat concerned when it comes to its ‘gravitational pull from afar’. To me at least, it seems as if, currently, Neovim does a better job at attracting new people. Perhaps these are just mostly refugees from Vim. Nonetheless, it can’t be ignored (I think). Would you mind sharing your thoughts on this?
I did, discord was a mess (the systray icon not working and couldn’t stream audio), no parsec host support and other little things.
Yes, there are alternatives/workarounds but it’s too much of a hustle to play some games if the alternative is w10, I already know how to optimize it/solve common issues and for this specific case “it just works”
I tried Linux Mint, then I switched to Nobara and I had issues with discord in both, the systray icon not showing green when I was speaking/muted and I was unable to screen share a program with sound (then I looked up and found it’s a discord problem not giving a shit about linux users).
Then the gaming part was pretty messy, specially when I tried to run pirate games or games like league of legends, I spent 2 days trying to make league of legends work with lutris (i don’t play that game anymore so now it shouldn’t be a problem)
The funny thing is that I have a linux server on which I self host a lot of services and I’ve been tinkering with it for +4 years now, I’m pretty used to Debian and Fedora in the terminal, but when it comes to desktop I get lost pretty easily.
The discord thing is improving (slowly), also partly it now recognizes Linux games launched from steam, but not proton ones. I haven’t tried lutris or anything yet, but I haven’t booted into windows for weeks now.
I’ve also become more comfortable with Linux in general so that’s likely helped too.
what are devs trying to do when creating snaps and flatpack?
Appimages are great for what they do. They’d be even better if we had convenient means of distribution. It’s easy for an intermediate-to-advanced user to go find the thing on some website, download it then chmod +x it.
A regular user, in contrast, finds comfort in centralized software repositories, where you only have to enter an app’s name and click install. Gnome and KDE, with the help of Appstream, provide Flatpaks for your convenience through Software and Discover, respectively.
It’s worth mentioning that Alexander Larsson (Flatpak) took some inspiration from Simon Peter’s (Appimage) klik when he was developing the precursor to xdg-apps and Flatpak, glick… What a mouthful :) Cheers!
Appimages do not have repositories, unlike Flatpaks and Snaps. It’s harder to install or update them since there isn’t a package manager for the Appimages.
I don’t know about Snaps, but Flatpaks are sandboxed, which basically means more security, since apps won’t get access to your system without permission. It’s kind of like Android where apps have to ask for permission to things like camera access, filesystem access, etc.
While I do use Appimages, they remind me of Windows and having to go to websites to download stuff.
Personally, I prefer just installing software with my distro’s package manager and resort to Flatpaks or Appimages when it’s not available in the repos.
We all know that won’t happen because most users don’t give a shit about things like conserving hardware or the resources that went into making them, and will just use this as an excuse to splurge on the latest shiny device.
Herein lies the rub where the discourse online always fails. It’s easy to blame the rich, corporations, politicians, etc. but the end of the day they’re simply doing what the masses want. We are the problem.
Now that said, I understand the appeal of blaming a smaller segment of the population because it’s easier to shift blame and it’s easier to force change that way, but rest assured Apple stops making a new phone every year their brand dies unless everyone stops doing it. They’re doing it because we are conditioned to want it.
fuck me harder ms yes daddy yes please mmmm thats good keep going harder harder HARDER YES
fr tho, that ‘smaller segment of the population’ owns the means of production/computation. so yes, I do blame them. and so should you and anyone with more that a couple folds in their brain.
If you’re saying everyone is providing your point, I think you disproved your own point.
They’re doing it because we are conditioned to want it.
Conditioning a behavior is basic psych101. It’s a controlled external stimulus which illicits a desirable action from the subject. So a conditioned consumer is subject to external stimulie which illicits them to spend. I wouldn’t blame the subject here, I’d blame the one doing the conditioning.
Regardless of all that, you are right but so wrong. We are all to blame, but I mean corporations and us. Politicians and the oligarchs aren’t responsible for what you or I do. What they are responsible for is manipulating systems to benefit themselves over the interests of the general public.
Since politicians and the business elite wield so much influence that makes them more responsible than you or I who really can’t make a big difference on our own. You’re blaming the proletariat for being the proletariat, but we don’t choose whether or not we are. You can work as hard as you can your entire life and you’ll never amount to the level of power and influence Elon, Jeff, Mark, Bill, or Steve had/have.
Nah, that’s shit. We are not the problem. The people in this thread don’t seem to be the kind of people to go out and buy the latest device every 6 months. I keep my phones for years until either the performance or battery becomes nearly unusable for me. I install Linux on older hardware (and newer hardware) and buy new hardware when necessary, not every time it comes out.
You can blame the average person, sure, but saying all of us is just incorrect.
Nah I haven’t bought a new machine in years, sticking to the old school bro. But I get it, a lot of people who are gamers or streamers would definitely buy in and I get why too because so long as the internet speeds keep increasing, there will be more streamers for the next big game or influencer chit chat etc
Use anything you want, because all of them are safe and speedy.
Flatpaks allow packaging together all dependencies with specific versions with the package. Snaps take it to the next level by allowing to run system integrated sandboxed programs, because Flatpaks cannot have system integration. Appimages are simply the equivalent of portable USB software on Windows.
That is not how it works though, because I have been a part of these religious cults for basically forever. The hobbyist enthusiasm has a threshold, the cultism does not. It is animalistic nature to form and live as tribes. It does not become different just because the congregation tool is virtual instead of real.
Capitalism is not human nature. It is formulated around abuse of human psychology. The documentary Century Of The Self by Adam Curtis will be something you love.
Except Western imperialist countries have exploited hundreds of trillions of dollars from rest of the world, kept them subjugated for centuries, causing these luxurious software development cultures to not formulate in them. You are falsely equating software and politics being affected similarly and to a similar degree.
I still prefer to run everything built directly from reliable deb sources.
As an end user… sure, flatpaks and appimages and snaps are I guess neat if you are constantly distro hopping or something, at least in theory.
But uh, I have already found the ability to play games, develop games and other software, use basic daily software for everyday needs, and have a stable and predictable OS that doesnt crash or have insane misconfigurations caused by some esoteric conflict by just basing everything directly off of deb sources.
Every once in a while I will have to compile my own build, but this is rare and usually only occurs when trying out something experimental, or, also rare, something that doesnt have an actively and well maintained deb source. In that case its just a matter of doing a build from github when a new version comes out.
And I can do builds from github because I have saved a lot of storage space from not using bundled installers for all my software, allowing me to store the sources. This is also neat because it allows me to quickly /use/ one of those sources in a project, after I have already seen that it is stable via the software I use that is built on it.
Finally there is the security angle. Using a myriad of different containerized installers for everything is convenient in that you don’t have to directly worry about source management… until you do, when a source lib is discovered to have a critical flaw.
When a serious flaw is found in a source library… what’s gonna get updated faster? A containerized installer that you have to wait for the devs, who are busy managing tons of cross platform dependency issues and have to do a new safe stable build everytime any of their many dependencies for their many supported platforms? Or an app specifically built from source libs that either doesnt focus on cross platform, or has different teams specific to maintaining its different supported flavors?
In my experience, literally all of the time, the ‘direct from source’ software gets updated more quickly than the cross platform bundled installer.
Further, this whole approach here gives you experience with software that is built on source packages that, as you become more familiar with, and tinker with yourself, gives you insight into what source libs are well coded in terms of cpu/gpu/ram optimization, and which are resource hogs and should be avoided if youre interested in promoting and using software built off of efficient code. I enjoy learning from the good coding techniques of stable, lean and fast programs, and avoiding code that is comparatively unstable, boated, or slow.
Since you’re interested in KDE, why not try Fedora Kinoite?
It’s an immutable distribution in much the same was as Steam OS 3. For individual pieces of software, you just install Flatpak versions. It’s deeply convenient if you don’t want to perform maintenance on your PC and want it to “just work”.
If you want immutability, Vanilla is the only good option right now. Services can be a nightmare on Fedora’s immutable systems, and some applications (qbittorrent, in my experience, though I haven’t seen anyone else have issues with it specifically) sometimes just outright decide to off themselves. I wouldn’t say it’s a bad distro, but recommending it to someone who states they don’t know much about computers could cause them trouble in the long run.
Usually projects on github. Personally I use Appimages for things like Mypaint a digital drawing application, krita and most other KDE applications as to avoid all the dependency’s KDE has in its eco system or at least to put them somewhere easier to manage
linux
Oldest
This magazine is from a federated server and may be incomplete. Browse more on the original instance.