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AlmightySnoo, in Your PC will thank you...
@AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world avatar

Me when someone’s Ubuntu install reaches EOL: just install Arch

itsdavetho, in Your PC will thank you...

I used Linux for about a week, every game ran way faster (60 instead of 20 fps on ultra detail) - but all games were very unstable and crashed frequently (despite the clear performance advantage.)

I also had troubles getting the low latency kernel working properly for music production. I just could not figure it out. Something to do with WineASIO, JACK audio and pulseaudio. FL studio worked flawlessly, though some fonts were missing (‘easily’ fixed using winetricks and installing them)

On windows, all I had to do was install the focusrite drivers.

So for now, until these apps and devices have native support, I unfortunately am stuck with windows :(

A lot of these problems could be attributed to my computer specs, it’s a bit older:

8gb ram (plan to upgrade to 16 which is the laptops max), GTX 1050 ti, 2.8-3.4ghz i7

Chobbes,

60 fps when you were getting 20 on windows…? Wat? Were shaders still compiling on Windows?

ulterno, (edited )
@ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

Most probably: wrong driver + background windows updates + background windows telemetry + background windows downloading ads + background windows Superfetch (SysMain) + background trial version of McAfee with windows

Win 7 worked pretty well on my 2010 desktop [Care2Quad 4GB DDR2] until a few years ago, when I just switched to Linux and didn’t care to look back.

Honytawk,

So it is a comparison between an unconfigured Windows vs a configured Linux?

Geewiz, I wonder which one will perform better to their liking.

itsdavetho,

Yeah but unconfigured windows currently is the winner since it actually works, though I’d like to prove that wrong and properly configure Linux , however I’m in no hurry since I’ve had to format my drive twice already

ulterno,
@ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

Gaming on Linux can still be considered difficult in general. The main reason I don’t have any difficulty is because the few games I play are well supported on Linux, giving me few to no crashes. Playing Elite Dangerous (Epic version) on wine seems to be causing memory leaks over time, making me have to restart every 5 hours, but Linux supported games I get from GoG work perfectly for normal scenarios normal => Single monitor 60FPS.

Apart from gaming, Linux has been a charm. But I am one of those ppl who likes programming and creating my own solutions for problems (which fits well with Linux), so I can’t say the same to someone who just wants “a solution. Any solution”.

itsdavetho,

Yeah I know it sounds ridiculous haha, and I’m really disappointed that it didn’t work out.

Chobbes,

What game were you comparing?

itsdavetho,

That specific case was a unity game , 7 days to die.

Urist,
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

7DtD uses Vulkan on Linux for high performance.

itsdavetho,

Oh really maybe I’ll give it another try then

I also had troubles with Deep Rock Galactic and a native application as well. Maybe a poor configuration.

But the real thing keeping me from the switch is not being able to figure out how to properly use my audio interface for low latency real time production 😮‍💨

Urist,
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

DRG is the same IIRC. I do not know the state of Vulkan drivers on Nvidia, but if you crash they are probably the issue. For low latency audio check Archwiki on proaudio. Got a Focusrite for christmas I am going to setup myself. Should be doable.

NickwithaC, in Completely untrue nowadays...
@NickwithaC@lemmy.world avatar

Stop printing.

Honestly who NEEDS a printer anymore? We’ve moved on from printing out driving directions from MapQuest and burning our own DVD collections. We should ditch home printers and only use online printing services whenever you want something physical so it’s made nicely by someone who knows what they’re doing.

A_Random_Idiot,

You must be an executive with impeccable logic such as that.

Emerald,

Many people still use printers.

dnick,

Yeah, he was basically telling them to stop, or maybe more generally he was telling them to take a look at whether they really need to print things.

Ziglin,

It can still be nice to have one so you can print out more pages in parallel than you have space on your screen and using a pen to annotate a document.

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

Basically, I don’t see any other reason, except for annotation.

RacoonVegetable,

A tablet with a stylus: im about to ruin this lemmitor’s whole career!

AngryCommieKender,

First time I’ve seen lemmitor… Not sure if it’s better or worse than lemming…

Sirico, in Completely untrue nowadays...

Brothers linux script still working great for me and my aging printers

Landless2029,

+1 to brother printers

dnick,

Brother printers were the last straw in throwing away they last inkjet I ever hope to own.

Want to scan something into your computer, you say? Sorry, can’t do that because you’re low on magenta!

No idea if their laser printers try the same crap, because I avoided that brand when it came to picking one out, but holy crap what an off-putting experience.

NotSteve_, in Completely untrue nowadays...

I’ve found Mac OS is by far the best OS for getting printers to work tbh

bjoern_tantau,
@bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

OSX and Linux both use the Common Unix Printing System. It works more or less the same on both systems.

FuglyDuck,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

shhhhhh… they need to justify the price tag…

NotSteve_, (edited )

I don’t own a Mac outside of my work laptop. Like OP said in another reply, it’s likely because vendors pre-configure the system to work out of the box on Mac OS.

It’s just my anecdotal experience but writing off my comment as me justifying a purchase (that I haven’t made) is just silly and lazy discussion

FWIW, I use Linux on all my personal machines

FuglyDuck,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

It’s just my anecdotal experience but writing off my comment as me justifying a purchase (that I haven’t made) is just silly and lazy discussion

Somebody made that purchase, though. dismissing the cost point for apple products because you didn’t personally fork over is… amusing. Also, most vendors configure for windows, aka the OS with the largest market share of desktop computing devices. Some vendors (like epson), who cater to photography or graphic design will also ensure it works in Mac, but as noted elsewhere, the drivers for the printers in MacOS and linux are the same- CUPS. if printer compatibility is what you were looking for, you got taken for a ride. (this is not to say there aren’t valid reasons for living in Apple’s walled garden…there are… it’s just printer hardware isn’t one of them)

NightAuthor,

I learned that the CUPS config on Mac, at least as of about a year ago, was set to save a copy of everything ever printed to an obscure directory on the machine. Was discussed in relation to setting up a secure encryption scheme where you print out your keys, wouldn’t want something like that just hanging out for any malware to come gobble up.

0x4E4F, (edited )
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

It used zeroconf/bonjur out of the box when no one else used it (or had to do some serious configs in order to get it working), that’s why. And, of course, since it’s the second most used OS other than Windows, printer manufacturers configured avahi/zeroconf/bonjur out of the box on their printers.

mariusafa, in meme

Context?

Sanyanov, (edited )

Debian uses its own version of the Linux kernel with proprietary parts removed; however, if you want to install it on a machine that does have hardware for which there are no free drivers (which is to say almost any machine out there in the market), you’ll have to install proprietary parts; in the last version, Debian 12, system does that by default.

Intel Management Engine is a CPU-level microprogram that runs with highest priority and does not have open code, so essentially every PC with Intel CPU runs some arbitrary code we cannot verify. Same for AMD Platform Security Processor by the way, so there is no simple escape.

Oh and BIOS is proprietary too, and only a few select machines can have a fully libre BIOS successfully installed on them.

Thereby even if you go to essentially libre version of Linux, there will, almost universally, be pieces of obfuscated code with no disclosure on what they’re doing there.

bouh,

Isn’t that a hardware problem though? At some point you want your software to work, and years of reverse engineering for it to do so is a long time for it isn’t it?

Sanyanov,

Well, it’s obviously dictated by hardware and the software that manufacturers release for it. I’m not calling enthusiasts to reverse engineer every single driver, that’s impossible.

The point is, there is a lot of proprietary blobs in everyone’s systems, and it’s not cool. If you ask me, we should obviously shift policies to force manufacturers to open source drivers and management systems.

miningforrocks,

Is there a completely libre platform out there. I don’t have any problem with running a risv-v CPU or anything similar

Sanyanov,

RISC-V should be fine, if price, performance, software support, and form-factors are all okay for you.

For most, it isn’t, but if you wanna go such great lenghts, I’d say you have a chance.

miningforrocks,

Can you recommended any board?

Sanyanov,

Sadly, not really - didn’t go deep into various options.

But maybe someone else can help?

mariusafa,

Didn’t knew about the Debian part I thought they said that they will ship an installer with non-free by default and another installer which you can configure.

Btw I’m on my way to build a new x220 with libreboot and GUIX can we get more free than that? Xd

Sanyanov,

You might be right on that - you know, everyone faced the challenge to find the right Debian installer :D

Wow, good luck with your project!

al177,

IME is even worse than that. It runs on a supervisor processor in the chipset that has privileged access to the memory, peripherals, and CPU, and can run when the rest of the system is powered off. IME is how Intel AMT can serve as a KVM-over-IP, and just because you don’t have a CPU with Vpro doesn’t mean all the components aren’t there for an exploited or backdoored ME firmware to remotely log your console or inject keystrokes.

Sanyanov,

Thanks for adding up!

LainOfTheWired,
@LainOfTheWired@lemy.lol avatar

Apparently it can also read any decryption keys read by the cpu.

deleted, in Linux too mainstream for some 🤷

I knew nothing about linux 2 years ago and started with installing Debian on my surface go 2. This explains why I couldn’t get the web cam to work to this day.

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

Try frimware binary blob packages, those usually have whatever to make the thingie work with the Linux kernel.

deleted,

I’m not sure what do you mean by firmware blob but Ive done the following:

  1. Added non-free to the sources file.
  2. Installed Surface-linux lib.

There is a guide in surface-linux library which requires compiling something with CMAKE. I’m not comfortable at the moment to do it since I don’t have the time to fix it if something went wrong.

I couldn’t find a good touch gui for debian so ill give ubuntu a shot.

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

In the non-free repo, there should be something like firmware-broadcom, firmware-amd, firmware-intel, etc. Those are binary blobs, closed source firmware (supplied by the manufacturer) that is loaded in the device in order to make it work with the linux kernel. See the make and model od the device via lspci or lsusb (depends on how the device is connected to the PC) and see the make and model. If it’s, let’s say, Broadcom, install the Broadcom firmware package and restart the rig.

Regarding cmake, you could use BTRFS to revert everything back to the way it was, just make a restore point before doing make install.

eruchitanda, in I am one of you now
@eruchitanda@lemmy.world avatar

I never had success with archinstall, just the regular installation.

It’s kinda weird, actually.

resketreke,
@resketreke@kbin.social avatar

I use EndeavourOS and it works without issues.

NominatedNemesis,

Jeee EOS gang!

afraid_of_zombies, in This truly is the year of the linux desktop

If you combined the ages of my children it still wouldn’t be enough time to the first time I heard this.

DragonTypeWyvern,

Because of your newborn twins, right?

CannedCairn, in Year of Linux on the Desktop

The only reason my windows partition still lives is so I can stream VR to the quest 2, literally everything else I do in Linux and I’m so close to 100% I can taste it!

vsh, (edited )
@vsh@lemm.ee avatar

I think Linux holds you back. Stop edging “when will this ancient technology support come?” and migrate to the best operating system 🪟1️⃣1️⃣ worldwide.

We support your VR, 1999 wifi drivers, we have drivers for every plastic you own. It takes one step. Come to us.

13617,

Did you look at steam Link yet?

banneryear1868,

I only have Windows because it’s the only way to run Ableton Live with plugins on your own hardware.

A_Random_Idiot, (edited ) in Year of Linux on the Desktop

It might not fuck over people as bad as their abandoning XP did, but its still really fucking shitty that they abandon OS’s like this.

Simply because it means people who have games they used to be able to play on old machines, now cant get those games anymore, cause the service itself wont run on it on those machines.

They should at least fork off a special legacy version that lets people download their old games on their original platforms.

but they dont want to do that, not because of supporting it, because they dont want people to remember how sleek, slim, and fast steam used to be.

AnUnusualRelic,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

Did you know that Steam didn’t even run on DOS?

HKayn,
@HKayn@dormi.zone avatar

How is this shitty? Windows 7 isn’t even supported by Microsoft anymore.

If you were looking to preserve games for playing on old computers, you chose the wrong platform.

A_Random_Idiot, (edited )

because there are games that people fucking own that don’t run on newer platforms, that they should still be allowed to fucking play and not have defacto taken away from them?

How is that hard to understand?

I swear to god the absolute short sightedness of gamers. If this prevented you from playing one of your games you’d be here spewing shit and fire and brimstone over it.

HKayn,
@HKayn@dormi.zone avatar

How is it hard to understand for you that with Steam, you chose the wrong platform to play old games?

A_Random_Idiot, (edited )

How hard is it to understand, for YOU, that steam has been around since the XP era, and that maybe people bought those games when they were new?

Obviously pretty fucking hard, since you cant even seem to comprehend it.

HKayn,
@HKayn@dormi.zone avatar

Once again, you chose the wrong platform with Steam. Other stores have been around at that time too.

I suppose I will have to repeat this for you a couple more times.

A_Random_Idiot,

Slick blaming of the customers there for not being psychic and being able to see the future.

Anything to defend your precious corpo, huh

HKayn,
@HKayn@dormi.zone avatar

No need to be a psychic if you can parse basic terms of service. At least I hope for your sake you’re capable of doing that.

Anything to defend your precious corpo, huh

And that’s how we know you’re out of points to make. Must suck if that’s the only comeback you have against people who aren’t defending anyone.

A_Random_Idiot, (edited )

“how dare you call me out for defending the corporation when all i’m doing is viciously trying to attack you and shift the blame to you for your mild criticism of them!”

citrusface, (edited )

If you purchase something digitally - you do not own it. Especially not on steam. You are purchasing the rights to play it while it’s supported.

The best you can do is buy DRM free and download it and save it in your own storage if you want to be able to play your game when you are 85.

PrettyLights,

Expecting Valve to support an operating system that the creator of the OS doesn’t even support isn’t tenable. How much longer should Valve be forced to support Windows XP by that logic?

A_Random_Idiot, (edited )

Valve sold games on steam that only run on XP via its digital download service

It should support XP with a legacy downloader for as long as people want to play their XP games on XP.

This shouldnt even be a controversial opinion, Y’all are whats wrong with modern gaming and why its become such a festering cesspit of microtransactions and theft.

PrettyLights,

Don’t LEASE digital games on a DRM platform then be surprised when it doesn’t work forever on outdated software that isn’t even supported by the original creator.

No one owns these games and pretending you do is just setting yourself up for disappointment.

Alexstarfire,

You fed the troll way too much.

A_Random_Idiot,

The ferocity at which people white knight companies that dont give a single fuck about them is staggering.

PrettyLights,

I can’t believe a Lemmy user is trying to explain why we still need companies to support Windows 7 of all things.

Why not put your energy towards something with more preservation value, like getting these games to run on free operating systems like Linux?

Is Proton not an option for any of these games you need Windows 7 for?

A_Random_Idiot,

And now we turn to the unbridled arrogance against retrogaming on the original hardware/software, now that your corpo dick sucking has failed.

PrettyLights,

You’re the one trying to keep Windows 7 alive and commercially viable.

And if you want to really get off topic to “original hardware/software”, I’m a big advocate for FPGA replacing original hardware for most users. The MiSTer and similar projects are real preservation and very much not “corpo dick sucking”.

A_Random_Idiot, (edited )

“I’m not corpo dick sucking, now why don’t you go buy a 500+ dollar device from one of the companies selling it instead of doing your filthy peasant retrogaming”

PrettyLights,

The DE-10 nano is sold by Intel typically at a loss to assist with educational endeavors. The retro gaming community just kind of adopted the platform due to its cheap nature.

I think the MiSTer is the exact opposite of what you’re saying. It’s a corporation essentially subsidizing video game preservation for a period of time.

MiSTer is also open source software and hardware.

Again, you’re the one buying digital games on steam and calling others corporate dick suckers. You’re the one funding it without paying basic attention.

A_Random_Idiot,

Again, you’re the one buying digital games on steam and calling others corporate dick suckers.

Gotta blame anyone but the corpo master, huh?

PrettyLights,

I’d rather blame the customer who keeps buying from the corporation but claims some moral high ground over the company.

Put your money where your mouth is. This isn’t the first time Steam has dropped support for an Operating System and you’re acting like this is some new revelation.

If you’re so against what these corporations are doing, stop giving them so much money. I’m not sure how much more you can glaze a company than you already have with your wallet.

A_Random_Idiot, (edited )

Yes yes, Its all the customers fault.

All the blame should be on the customers, We should never try to hold the blessed companies accountable or criticize them in any way for their behavior, because it is the filthy customers fault for it all.

afterall, the customers just downright refuse to use their future sight to avoid problems, so they deserve it.

PrettyLights,

Yes yes, it’s all the companies fault even when the customer refuses to read the terms of service or acknowledge the company’s history of similar moves.

If you really cared, there are other platforms you could be using.

Anything to avoid personal responsibility.

Your comments read like someone who eats at McDonald’s and then blames them for being overweight.

A_Random_Idiot, (edited )

Your comments read like someone who eats at McDonald’s and then blames them for being overweight.

Thats literally what you’re doing in this entire thread. “Customer should have known the coffee was hot and should have been more careful” is your entire argument.

Great projection though.

PrettyLights,

Your ability to twist comments to fit your narrative in your own head are hilarious.

Steam leases digital games with a shitty Term of Service and the ability to change their agreements at any time. You’re the one blindly consuming then getting upset at the natural consequences.

Take some personal accountability for once.

I bet you’ll still be buying on Steam this time next year.

A_Random_Idiot, (edited )

Your ability to twist comments to fit your narrative in your own head are hilarious.

Uh huh.

Steam leases digital games with a shitty Term of Service and the ability to change their agreements at any time. You’re the one blindly consuming then getting upset at the natural consequences.

And now we’re back to the same old “You should have known the coffee was hot, its your fault for being careless and getting burned” arguments.

Take some personal accountability for once.

Accountability for me, but not accountability for billion dollar businesses, Right?

PrettyLights,

Where were you when Steam dropped support for every previous version of Windows? Why is windows 7 suddenly your hill to die on?

A_Random_Idiot, (edited )

Oh, you mean like I mentioned in my first post here

And also directly in response to you here

And also talked about in response to someone else here

C’mon now. You can shift goalposts better than this.

PrettyLights,

You didn’t stop buying games when they killed XP support. They announced at the begining of this year (at least by March 2023) that they were dropping windows 7 support and you still kept buying.

Why do you keep doing the same thing but expecting a different outcome?

Stop spending money at places you claim are anti consumer. You are the problem. You. There are other companies you could support but you want to keep funding Steam while crying victim.

A_Random_Idiot, (edited )

All this because I said valve should have a legacy downloader so people can still play the things they bought that dont work on modern OS’s.

Something that would cost valve, a multibillion dollar company, almost nothing in the grand scheme of things.

But apparently caused so much offense, that you’ve sat here clawing your hair out at the sheer audaciousness the comment.

You really need to go outside and take a few calming breaths and realize how fucked up it is that you are this defensive over criticism of a company that doesnt give a single shit about you.

PrettyLights,

He says, as he defends why people should be forced to continue support for his preferred operating system corporation.

A_Random_Idiot, (edited )

Yes yes, a legacy downloader that doesnt effect you, is such an egregious and evil thing and totally deserving of this crazy, borderline mental illness reaction you’ve sustained.

PrettyLights,

And upgrading windows affects you how? It’s a free upgrade isn’t it?

Doesn’t windows 8 have legacy compatibility modes? Why aren’t you upset with Microsoft for not having proper compatibility modes still?

Why is Valve the target of your anger when Microsoft is the one deprecating the OS and not providing the compatibility they advertise?

A_Random_Idiot, (edited )

And now we’re to the point where you keep repeating the same arguments and demanding the same answers, in an attempt to make the other person walk away so you claim a pathetic “win” and strut around like a high street cock.

I’ve been on the internet a long time, friend. Your tactics are not clever, or new.

PrettyLights,

I haven’t asked why you wouldn’t upgrade before, nor about the broken compatibility features included with Windows.

Direct your anger at the company causing your issues (Microsoft), not the one that hurt you because you couldn’t figure out hardware acceleration with remote play.

A_Random_Idiot,

Yes, I’m clearly the one full of anger here.

PrettyLights,

It shows in your dozen posts refusing to take any of the many available paths forward.

Roblox runs on the latest windows, you’ll be fine.

A_Random_Idiot,

Of course, The many forked paths of “valve should have a legacy downloader”.

How silly am I to miss all of them.

It truly is the consumers fault, afterall. /s

PrettyLights,

What about

  • Microsoft should have legacy compatibility mode that works
  • use Proton
  • use WINE
  • use community mods or registry tweaks to run on newer windows versions
  • read what you’re leasing
A_Random_Idiot, (edited )

and now we’re circling back to already asked and answered shit

are you okay?

If you are this forgetful may I suggest discussing it with your doctor, and possibly scheduling a brain scan?

PrettyLights,

You never answered why you blame Microsoft and not Steam.

A_Random_Idiot,

Oh, now you’re trying to Bill O’Riley/Moon argument this.

PrettyLights,

Or I’m just wondering why you refuse to blame Microsoft for not having a working compatibility mode? Or use any other solution users have presented?

Why can’t you just use a mod to enable support for the game? Have you tried and were unable to figure it out?

A_Random_Idiot, (edited )

Oh dear god, do you think Microsoft owns valve?

Is that why you think modding windows will let it download stuff from valves service?

PrettyLights,

Upgrade your windows install to a supported version and then use the mods to make the game work. Then you’ll have windows 8 or 10 or 11 and a working game.

Next strawman

A_Random_Idiot,

Ah, now we’re circling back again to already asked topics, hoping for a different answer that you can O’Reilly

PrettyLights,

Didn’t get an answer in the first place. I don’t know how a new legacy downloader would count as “original software”.

A_Random_Idiot, (edited )

You’ve already tried that tactic, too, and I provided several links the last time you tried it.

If youre memory is this bad, and you are this prone to irrational anger, I strongly suggest you get someone you can trust to take you to the ER immediately for an evaluation, Your health matters.

PrettyLights,

You haven’t posted any answers to these questions, you hide behind “original” then demand a new piece of software be built and maintained.

HKayn,
@HKayn@dormi.zone avatar

How about you start supporting stores that actually do that?

Chances are you don’t even know about them. And you call us short-sighted.

Telodzrum, (edited )

It’s. Not. Your. Game.

You’re buying a license which is subject to conditions decided upon by the developer, publisher, platform, and others. If you want to own a copy of the game, don’t buy it on Steam.

Downvote all you want, reality isn’t changing to match your feelings. Stop supporting DRM or quit bitching while simultaneously strengthening the system you are choosing to ignore.

cows_are_underrated,

“If buying isn’t owning, than piracy isn’t stealing.”

josefo, in Year of Linux on the Desktop

You should try plain Debian and KDE Plasma (the desktop it’s one of the options of the shelf, you just pick it with the installer). I have been doing that and it’s great, even with old hardware. Ubuntu is way too much bloated. And of course proton works like magic.

ricdeh,
@ricdeh@lemmy.world avatar

Yep, I think Debian is getting too little love from the Lemmy Linux community

juli, (edited ) in This truly is the year of the linux desktop

6.5% of all desktop users is insane

What’s other? Freebsd?

What about the streaming share? Like, who is watching the most?

atocci,
@atocci@kbin.social avatar

Other: TempleOS

Hubi,

Heresy. It was gods will to not include networking capabilities.

ILikeBoobies,

Other can be consoles

pomodoro_longbreak, in Name em
@pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works avatar

Pfff easy lib@, lib32@, lib64@, libx32@

Ganbat, in Xenia says that it's ok to use any browser!! (original meme)

So… Basically just tangentially linux-related. Also, Xenia wasn’t the original mascot. Tux came first, and Xenia was proposed as an alternative, but never took off.

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