This is actually the reason I'm here on Lemmy now. I love John Oliver but with all the other dark subreddits it was a bit much, and already had been looking into it. Led to Lemmy by too much sexy John Oliver.
The only rational way to be upset would be if you were dead set on the steamy John Oliver exposure! I just had to do a role-reversal of John and the man whose foot was on his neck for over a season, daddy Driver.
This may be the best highlight of spez incompetence 🍿 For everyone talking smack on the moderators, this is exactly what they should be doing. Malicious compliance. Make it hard for Reddit to know what is going on. Love to see it.
Good. The rule is stupid and deserves to be worked around. Water is essential. I hate when I go to these kinds of public places and they give you no option to get water other than bringing it yourself. Poor logistics on the part of the event organizers.
I think these rules are intended to be malicious. If you want to make it hard for people to organize but just banning them is illegal, the next step is to just make it super uncomfortable for them to hang around, so, no water.
It doesn't look like the rule is from the event organizers. Most likely local government who want's the money from the event while keeping the turnover high so that people will come, spend their money, and fuck off as soon as possible.
I actually looked into this back when it was originally happening and the rules were fairly strict. It specified background color and wording but it didn’t give a language so this guy did about the best you could given the rules.
However it would be a shame if someone printed a poster with UV reactive paint that changed to something else over time while it hangs.
History teacher here. If this was turned in to me, rhe first thing I'd do is laugh, then have a conversation with the student. If s/he says they'd be ok with me emailing a copy of this to their parents (I'm assuming the parents speak Chinese), then I'd just give them an A for pure gall. If the kid isn't from a Chinese-speaking family, I'd probably still give him/her kudos and then make them turn in whatever they put into Google translate to begin with. But really, this is the kind of malicious compliance I wish my students had the creativity to pull off.
Exactly. I probably wouldn't actually email it home, just look for the reaction. If they look worried, then yeah, I'd definitely send it home. I've had kids cuss me out in Spanish on papers before, not believing I'd actually translate it and bust them.
It takes effort to rebel this hard. That effort should be rewarded not squashed. Eventually they'll find something that interests them and their effort will be naturally put into improving that. Basically, don't kill a child's spirit.
Exactly this. I’m successful a cybersecurity compliance analyst today because whenever I got around my IT father he laughed and was impressed with me. If he yelled and made a stink about me circumvented firewalls or gained admin privileges, it would have turned me off of this path real quick.
If no one is getting hurt, foster that shit! Make ‘em think and make ‘em work! They’re always smart enough to know when you let them win versus when they impress the pants off you!
If they don't actually read/write Chinese, then it took more effort to do this than it would have to just write the letter in English as intended. It's impressive.
When I was at school the uniform was just a basic pull over jumper, polo shirt and skirt/trousers. They were pretty effective at getting you caught if you decided to bunk off, like I did during PE and RE.
The uniform kids have to wear these days, which is basically a full on suit looks so uncomfortable, especially in the summer.
I'm from NI where all the schools have uniforms. Shirt, tie, trousers, wool blazer generally although some are nylon blazers. It's not too bad if you take your blazer off when its warm and I did like not having to think about clothes.
I think these malicious compliance subreddit responses are as fun as the next person, but honest question: doesn't this work out in Reddit's favor? They don't care what's posted as long as content is being generated and traffic being driven to their site, right?
Not really. The traffic they're getting from it is unsustainable and any would-be investor who is paying attention will notice this. This is really more a tactic to shatter the narrative that the mods do not represent the will of the general user and they are forcing the protests onto them.
I don't know why I keep forgetting about the upcoming IPO, but the point about investors is definitely a good one. I do agree that whatever happens, this is a huge signal that Reddit admins have fallen out of favor with their userbase, which is certainly not tenable for functional company.
Honestly, I'd be shocked if Huffman is still CEO in 6 months.
IPO’s are risky for the investor. If the company is overvalued before the IPO, a huge chunk of money invested disappears almost immediately as the stock drops. So the big investors will be doing their research before putting their money in.
It depends on what happens next. Short term there definitely isn't any harm. Longer term if the content stays as is it gets stale and dies. On the other hand if the people keep finding creative ways of posting content in this "new" format it seems like it breathes life into the site*___*
There is the nuance to it. The subscribers did not sign up for this initially. Therefore they will have to build a new community up which certainly won't have as many subscribers for a very long time and none of the post history.
At the same time posts actually asking about the Steam platform get downvoted heavily and thus dissuade further interaction.
Effectively the sub becomes useless, just the same as if it had stayed closed. It will drop in engagement in the long term.
The John Oliver memes attract more mainstream attention and clearly signal to investors the platform is not healthy, irrespective of the traffic it causes.
With more and more subreddits joining in on this, the All page gets flooded with shitposts annoying everyone. Those who stay certainly won't want to deal with this all the time and unsubscribe.
Of course group dynamics are unpredictable at times, but reddit is certainly more in turmoil than whatever traffic.
Thanks, I was missing that point of view but I see what you mean.
I guess the way I see it is that, right now, people are enthusiastically joining in, which is still driving a sense of community. I guess I'm not as convinced that, long term, people will be driven to make new communities. I feel like the more likely scenario is that people will grow bored and go back to their normal, everyday posting.
Edit: I do agree the invester point is definitely one I didn't consider and is definitely a huge factor to all of this. Of course, it goes without saying that it at least signals the turmoil at Reddit and brings more attention to it. Not all press is good press in this case.
Whatever happens, I fully intend to sit back and enjoy watching the drama unfold.
I feel like the more likely scenario is that people will grow bored and go back to their normal, everyday posting.
I think it's more likely people will get bored and just stop going to reddit. Right now the ones taking part in the protest are the creators and hard core users, while the casual users either aren't taking part or are just not using reddit right now.
Longer term this will destroy reddit on google searches ruining one of the major drivers of traffic.
In the short term it's a question of if the casual users get tired first and stop going to reddit, or the hard core users get bored of trolling spez. If the former happens first then reddits non-troll traffic dies off and when the hard core users get bored and leave and then there will be almost nobody left.
Ultimately in order for the protesters to win they don't need to permanently destroy reddit, just to effectively shut it down for the next 6 months or so as literally this entire thing, both the changes reddit instituted and the backlash, is about the IPO. Spez was looking to pump the value quickly so he could cash out and so he went with some incredibly aggressive and anti-user policies that he hoped would generate a massive revenue spike and look good to investors. Instead the users are giving spez a boot to the teeth and reminding him that he has nothing without them.
Not to mention that the argument that moderators are acting in bad faith against what the users want isn't really holding up if a rather decent chunk of active users are in favor of doing this.
r/pics held a poll and their users CHOSE the john oliver memes. other subs are doing something similar, giving 'go back to normal' as an option because otherwise the admins might just remove them anyway for not giving users a real choice.
Holy smokes this is basically the premise for Chernobyl but with a coffee shop. Great idea getting them to sign and date the work order! Can’t argue their way out of that one.
I wouldn’t say that at all. Chernobyl was so much worse than this. It wasn’t a single first line supervisor who asked one worker to do something who said no at first.
They’d asked multiple nuclear plants to perform that test. Been told that it was not safe to perform multiple times. They finally got an upper management individual at one plant to agree to it. Then they had challenges completing the test and due to plant characteristics that were not apparent to the operators (as well as violating other procedures) the event occurred.
The premise of chernobyl is a series of systemic failures of barriers. Not an addition of a single step not specified in a maintenence procedure.
Uh yes. Example: What was all that flak when bakery’s denied service to lesbian couples. What is next deny service to whites? Hate is going full circle, hence the hypocrisy. Shit like that is only giving ammunition to the othersides.
Striving for equality and acceptance by promoting hate towards others beliefs. Yes, I’d say that is hypocritical. What word would you use to describe them?
Hate towards beiefs is fine, and I think you’d even agree with that. Would you agree it’s bad to believe that a subset groups of people should be removed from the world? I would hope you agree that that is a bad belief and doesn’t need to be accepted.
But it’s also missing the point. Being gay isn’t a belief, it’s just the way someone is - just like race, just like gender. It’s not a belief like a political stance is.
They’re two different things and it’s not hypocritical to treat them differently.
We did a case study on this in college. The bakery didn’t refuse service to them, they told the couple that they were more than welcome to pick any of the predesigned cakes they had, but the bakery wouldn’t make a pride specific cake.
This is a bad take. When we, society, allow you to register as a business, we form an agreement. Part of that agreement is that you follow certain rules. We make those rules to better society.
Some rules are things like pay taxes, or don’t sell outdated food. Some rules are there to make sure anyone can shop there, without discussion.
Those rules are important because it’s very possible for a small number of business owners to make a group of people’s lives very difficult, especially out in rural areas where people don’t have a lot of options.
For a concrete example, let’s say Pfizer cures cancer. Do you want them to be able to say they won’t sell to Christians? You can’t just “go elsewhere”. But now this is allowed.
The much more dangerous part of this ruling is that the supreme Court ruled on a case where there was no standing. A lot of people don’t realize that having standing is one of the cornerstones of our legal structure. Now, in theory, any idiot could sue for any dreamed up scenario and have a much better chance of winning in court.
There are already regulations on discrimination. You cannot be discriminated against for your religious beliefs. However, Pfizer could choose not to service rapists. In which case, want the cure for cancer? Don’t rape. Having the option to not service someone based on their actions is very different than not servicing them because of who they are. If someone is being a dick to your employees, you should have the right to kick them out. Based on what you’re saying, you think no matter how much of an asshole they are, the employees should put up with it and be their personal assistant.
Society needs to codify these rules into law though otherwise bad actors break those rules. When a right wing activist supreme court removes these protections, people get hurt. But, a store like this isnt doing this to hurt people, it’s to make a statement that the far-rights own discrimination can backfire on them. It’s a form of protest and a statement, not true bigotry. Its like using the flying spaghetti monster tactic to push legislation to be more strict on religion. These people are trying ro show that regulation on business to prevent denying goods and services is important for everyone, not just minorities the the right hates.
Based on the Civil Rights Act of 1964, they cannot discriminate for any reason that is a protected status. However, they can makeup any reason for not serving them. That means some racist asshole could say they aren’t serving the black customer because they were rude or some other made up shit. Thankfully, your political stance is not a protected status.
Really hoping amitheasshole becomes a place where people post a picture of assholes and you have to decide if that is a picture of their asshole or someone else's asshole.
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