Everyone trying to make the lazy “every socialist is a Hitler abiding nazi” argument
But when a fellow community moderator on Lemmy.world was literally espousing Hitler “final solution” rhetoric and I politely asked admin to remove him from mod or let me know if he won’t so I can leave the community - I was banned within two minutes.
Explains why the lemmy.world hordes are here calling anything left of Biden literally Hitler, every accusation is a confession.
We found .worlders to be the most fashy posters on lemmygrad.ml, so I can’t say I find their projecting fascism onto us all that surprising, and I can’t say we’ll be missing them.
Ask the people under Nazi Occupation and then Soviet Occupation during and following the war which one they liked more. And that’s not to defend the Nazis, fuck all Nazis, but people preferred it to the Soviets, that’s how shitty they were.
I could go for some of that Scandinavian democratic socialism though. Tax the rich and pay for social services that create smooth roads and fewer people looting drug stores to buy fentanyl.
If anyone’s hoping that this lemmy.ML community will defederate from lemmygrad.ML anytime soon, then you obviously don’t understand where the fuck you even are.
It always works out fine for them. I don't know why anybody says imperialism or colonialism are bad or destructive, seems to me that Britain and France and Spain and Portugal and the Dutch are all doing fine. Really weird how maps of their empires seem to overlap a lot with parts of the world that currently or recently experienced a lot of, idk let's call it "troubles?" They must be dumb or smth
They weren’t countries. They became countries when the colonizers (and I’m using that term as accurately as possible) lumped together into managed regions and then told them they were countries with their own governments and flags. It was all “We’re going to conquer these people and these people and these people, then put Governor Fitzroy, nephew to the Prince, in charge of all of it with a big army to back him up.” Then they wrote laws and made flags and all the happy crappy stuff they do. Then they lost WWII (because pretty much everyone except for the US lost WWII), and said “you’re on your own.”
They turned former colonies into artificial countries with governments that all but guaranteed factionalism.
There was always war, and there always will be war. But the specific type of war we’re seeing in former colonies is because of the post-colonial situation.
Exactly and when they drew the borders of those artificial nations, they had a strange talent for choosing two or more peoples who would otherwise never have formed a nation together voluntarily, so they still don´t get along today and probably never will.
Everybody will run logical circles around everything for days on days to defend their sus bullshit… until you mention socialism then all of a sudden there’s no way anythings ever been maliciously Co opted in the history of ever!
This is a Nazi joke, the Nazi Party(while not actually being socialist in any way) was short for the National Socialist German Workers Party. And again as we all know the Nazis not only weren’t socialist but actually murdered people that were, they just co-opted the name, they were fascist authoritarians. Other countries that weren’t/arent actually socialist or communist but rather authoritarian state capitalist are the USSR and the PRC. Lemmygrad’s grade of “socialism” is from what I’ve seen, straight up authoritarian like those two “communist” countries, thus the OP is saying they are in support of the national socialism otherwise known as nazism
Yes that is what OP is doing, because he & you don’t know your asses from your elbows about communism or Lemmygrad, as evidenced by your equating them with Nazism, which they are explicitly, full-throatedly against.
So…what? Was it the socialism or their manner? I’m for a certain amount of socialism, but I don’t know enough about these guys. Who’d they irritate? Were they just generally irritating?
The people calling Lemmygrad National Socialist/Nazi/etc sound pretty ridiculous considering how those people are explicitly banned, and I’ve seen how quickly they get kicked off the site:
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Both sides are genocidal, war crime committing, religious zealots it’s just that Israel has the upper-hand due to support from western nations (largely due to Christian zionists in those western countries) while Palestine is largely supported and funded by Islamic zionists from middle eastern countries.
You are equating a Settler Occupation force heavily funded and armed by the Western Imperialists to a Native Peoples fighting for their liberation and right to existence. There are no “people stuck in the middle.” There are only Israeli Settlers and Palestinian Natives. This false narrative of “people stuck in the middle” only amplifies bourgeois humanist tendencies to obstruct the Palestinian liberation struggle and aid the Zionist cause of occupying the Palestinian lands, in the name of “peace.” If your worldview is so narrow to think that solely the lack of firefights between the 2 sides is Peace then it is exemplary of your Eurocentric ignorance.
For decades Israel massacred Palestinians, forced them out of their lands, burnt their houses, confined them to open air prisons and gave free way to Yankee and European settlers to live without any proof of their rights on the land they settle in. Where was the peace?
You are playing with fire by peddling the israeli conspiracy narrative of Islamic Invaders, or “Zionists” in your words. If you want peace in the Levant then there is only one way to achieve it - The total destruction of the Zionist Entity.
The hamas is not committing genocide. The hamas is rightfully punishing Settlers whose father and forefathers committed genocide on the Palestinians. Who themselves live off the rightful native lands of the Palestinians. If the settlers want peace then they should go back to their homes in the US and Europe.
let me pick one genocidal piece of shit to support so as to ensure I am not viewed as smug
Yes, you could at the least acknowledge depriving hundreds of thousands of people of food and water in the world’s largest operational concentration camp after decades of starving them slowly and sometimes shooting them is something worse than what the other side is doing, but the status quo suits you fine in your little happy bubble world. You got yours!
Clearly you didn’t read my other replies in this thread where I expressed concern for the innocent people stuck between two warring regimes. Nowhere do I support the status quo, the atrocities being committed by Israel especially in the west bank / Gaza, nor do I ignore the open air prison that Palestinians have been forced into since the 1940s - but feel free to continue putting words in my mouth
You can’t play the both sides card here when it is documented that the Israelis are the settler colonial regime mass genociding Palestinians since they arrived. Or do you say “both sides were bad” when the Europeans genocided native Americans? You would probably say “They were funded by tribal zealots” too. That is an imperialist mentality.
That too is a bit of revisionist history and if you extend the timeline back a bit you’ll see both parties have semi-legitimate claims to the area (hell, Israelis have been there for a thousand years before Palestine ever existed and before Islam came into existence around ~600ad) and both are religious nuts hellbent on destroying one another. I just feel bad for the innocent civilians stuck between two genocidal, warring factions of religious fanatics. Anyone who tries to claim one side here is more legitimate than the other or is more depraved than the other is just ignoring reality. Obviously Palestine is the “underdog” here but it doesn’t mean they aren’t committing war crimes en masse
No, Israelis haven’t been there for thousands of years. Many of the settlers who live there now don’t even have ancestry from Israel but are European converts. And, anyway, you don’t get dibs on a land after you left it for thousands of years. That is the land of Palestinians who have been there for thousands of years. This is not even a discussion. This is not about religion. This is about native people being robbed of their land and killed for the ambition of the imperial core.
“Committing war crimes on mass” Sure sure… someone defends themselves and tries to get their land back and you play the both sides cards. You are obviously being disingenuous here.
This is 100% about the disease that is religion. And by your argument, Native Americans have no claims to land because they have been pushed off their ancestral land and have been gone for a long time - or have they not hit the imaginary line in the sand where it’s been long enough that they have “forfeited” their claim?
No, this is 100% the disease of imperialism. Imperialist powers wanted to get rid of Jews from their territory by sending them away. Zionism was created by Germany and England, and it has since been financed by the West.
And no, native Americans are still alive and the land that they’ve lost is recorded. There are natives alive today who remember the land that was taken from them. This didn’t happen thousands of years ago. Stop with your bad faith ridiculous comparisons.
No because appartheid settlers are not civilians, they are part of a military regime. If you don’t want to be a casualty on a liberation army, then don’t settle on their land.
Wow, speed running to otherization and dehumanization of those you don’t like. Fucking tankies being nazis as per usual. It’s like horseshoe theory in real time and shows you care more about ideological motivations than the despicable acts being committed so long as they align with you politically (which is funny because both sides here are authoritarian, theocratic regimes)
I bet that you also cried for southerners being killed in the civil war or when slaves killed their masters or when Haitians killed the French or when any oppressed kills their oppressors. Typical imperialist westoid minimizing the struggles of the oppressors and equating liberational violence to imperial violence. And he compares that to Nazis, wow 🤣. I am going to stop because you are a loss cause.
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