Some of the settings there are absolute killers. Volumetric coulds is nuts. The game is 90% staring at the ground, and I lose 10+ fps with that. Ditto for transparent reflections, and the settings for global illumination on high are insane as well.
Sure, once you tune it down selectively it looks like CS1... but it also performs like it.
I really don't understand some of the choices they made here, either in the way the visuals work, the way the default settings work or the way they communicated it. If they hadn't come out saying it'd be super heavy and they renamed "high" to "ultra" or had an intermediate setup between medium and high they wouldn't be getting this much crap.
I strongly disagree. The game has massive performance issues and I’m getting 10-20 FPS on the lowest possible settings with my 2080 Super. At that point it looks worse than CS1 and performs worse.
Also the 7 FPS or so on the main menu are ridiculous, unless they’re using my pc to mine crypto in full force.
If they release a complete game for 50€ or 90€, then I expect that shit to be a super smooth experience, even on the minimum recommended specs, which do in fact note a GTX 980 if I recall correctly.
So either get the specs correct, optimise the game properly or get out of the business. I’m a programmer myself and I’d be deeply ashamed if I released software that performs so poorly.
That does sound like a setting is bugged somewhere, or perhaps like one of the problematic settings is not toned down on the low preset. It's hard to tell without testing on the specific hardware. I'm curious enough that I may install it in more devices with less VRAM and mess with the settings just to see what happens.
I do think if they hadn't told people that performance was going to be messed up you'd absolutely assume that's a bug, given that, as you say, it doesn't match their spec notifications.
No one told me before I bought it, and it’s not mentioned on the steam store, see the point of the specs. So I don’t quite understand what you mean with “if they hadn’t told people”, because they sure didn’t unless you’re on that specific social media they did it on.
I’ve watched all those feature videos before and they don’t mention that I shouldn’t get my hopes up.
Anyways I don’t want to occupy your time and argue, in the end I’m just super miffed and disappointed because I had a free weekend for once and was looking forward to binging CS2.
They did put out an announcement that they had "missed their performance targets", and that made news.
It's fair to be disappointed, though. There ARE serious issues here. The game can be made to run acceptably (I went and dug up a comparable card to your 2080 and yeah, it's a 1080p30 game there, but it works). That takes significant fiddling in their advanced menu, and there are significant visual compromises to be made.
At the very least, their default presets should have been tuned differently. That would have been free and prevented the whole "it runs at 20fps on my 4090 on low" frustration with no additional development effort. Not to say that they shouldn't be patching this up a LOT going forward, but they had tools to mitigate that they're not using, which is very confusing.
2080 SUPER here too and while I also get the seriously low framerate in the menu (1 - 2 FPS for me) I also get 30+ FPS in game on medium settings at 4k (on an empty map) so I’m not too sure what’s going on with your PC unless your CPU is the bottleneck. If I go up to high settings then performance does drop down to ~15 FPS.
I agree the performance is not great and I’m absolutely not justifying it, just throwing in my experience too. It’s mostly playable for me and I can probably live with it until it’s hopefully patched.
I was playing all night last night on low (second from bottom) at 1440p and getting constant 60fps with occasional frame hiccups if I zoomed quickly or scrolled way across the map quickly.
I have a 2080 non super.
So there must be something else going on.
On the very lowest settings I was getting around 80-90 fps.
Yeah, a 2080 should be more than capable of handling a game like that, badly optimized or not. I’ve seen people report running the game much better with way worse cards.
However all the people I see complaining here of terrible performance don’t mention which CPU they have, when it was already the bottleneck in C:S 1… And the kind of people who don’t think the CPU is relevant information probably aren’t the kind to use a modern, top-of-the-line CPU.
I’ll still wait until the patches roll in before buying it, but I’m also not going to trust complaints from players who don’t even know which CPU they are using when playing a CPU-bound game.
I’ve the same GPU but way older CPU (3900X) and could play for 3h without issues yesterday. I noticed that the game is using multithreading way better than C:S 1. All cores of my CPU were used equally which made me think that the technical foundation seems to be solid, just too demanding for the average gaming PC. I’m on openSUSE btw
So there I am, in Sri Lanka, formerly Ceylon, at about 3 o’clock in the morning, looking for one thousand brown M&Ms to fill a brandy glass, or Ozzy wouldn’t go on stage that night. So, Jeff Beck pops his head 'round the door, and mentions there’s a little sweets shop on the edge of town. So - we go. And - it’s closed. So there’s me, and Keith Moon, and David Crosby, breaking into that little sweets shop, eh. Well, instead of a guard dog, they’ve got this bloody great big Bengal tiger. I managed to take out the tiger with a can of mace, but the shopowner and his son… that’s a different story altogether. I had to beat them to death with their own shoes. Nasty business, really. But, sure enough, I got the M&Ms, and Ozzy went on stage and did a great show.
The security on XP was comically bad. When people say “physical access is full access,” they aren’t even considering XP despite it being the textbook definition to the phrase. You were able to access the command line without even logging in.
Yeah, i found an old laptop running xp that had a password i didn’t know, was ridiculously easy to reset it, just reboot to safe mode and change it there
I will never understand why people liked Windows XP, I’d rather use Gentoo Linux from 2002 compiled from a stage 1 tarball than this steaming pile of shit. Windows 7 was solid, but 10 was (again) the biggest piece of garbage. Horrible UWP UI, Cortana, the garbage Windows Store, the Windows Phone integration, the useless Xbox app, the shitty version of OneNote, crappy MS Edge, Candy Crush ads in the fucking start menu and tons of data collection. Oh yeah, what a great operating system!
I will never understand why people liked Windows XP, I’d rather use Gentoo Linux from 2002 compiled from a stage 1 tarball than this steaming pile of shit.
It was necessary for games. (Source: I dual-booted Windows XP and Gentoo Linux in 2002.)
Games is one of the blockers for me. I’m really hoping the Steam Deck changes things so that Windows is no longer needed at all.
Right now we’re just on stage 1, where almost everything that runs on the Steam Deck needs a compatibility layer. I’m hoping that the next step is developers building for Linux as well as Windows to run better on the Steam Deck, which would mean zero performance loss playing on a Linux desktop.
Dude, I said I needed Windows for games in 2002. I’ve been Linux-only for gaming for the better part of a decade now.
As long as you’re okay with skipping the few games from asshole developers who deliberately make it difficult, the transition you’re hoping for already happened.
I don’t game much, but with the few games I do occasionally play I’ve had really good success at getting them to run on Linux under proton. It’s way better than it was even a few years ago.
It’s the “under proton” I don’t like. It means the performance is never going to be 100% of what you get if you run it natively. Maybe in 90% of games the performance is close enough that I’d never notice, but I play enough games that for now it makes sense to have a dedicated game OS, which is all Windows is these days to me.
Honestly, I don’t see a difference performance wise. There was even this game I’ve played called Gunfire reborn that was running noticably better under proton compared to win10 on my system. The actual problem that’s still ongoing is games with anti-cheat though. Apex Legends enabled EAC on linux and it works like a charm, but most game devs don’t care.
I thought it was pretty cool I could migrate my RISC CPU design from Logisim to Verilator, and even throw in some GTK so I could display some video, and have it all just work.
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