Exactly, lemmy needs to grow but if it just continues to grow and grow eventually it will just turn into what reddit is now. I’m happy to have something small to be a part of for now… i don’t think you needed me to tell you this but they say commenting is good for lemmy, so here i am
Reddit is for Porn. I got my year-thing and scrolled for 2 million bananas. I’m only subscribed to Porn and have been clicking on 1 or 2 things from MapPorn that got suggested to me while browsing through the ad-infested home feed. Have a guess on what they said was the post I liked more than the "The Gorilla Grip and Twist 5000“ I’ve spent months watching.
Total monthly posts exploded after Spez enshitified Reddit, and is still growing steadily month over month.
That suggests that the current decline in monthly active users is primarily because lurkers who only came to lemmy after initially hearing about it on Reddit, went back to lurking Reddit.
The number of users that are contributors is still growing, and that’s what’s important.
I’m still seeing so much growth in new content and communities, idk if the raw number of users is the metric we even should care about. Is it the best measure of quality?
I also think a big part of it is how active users are counted. Saw in a different thread that it only counts accounts who have commented or posted in the last month. Well… I browse and vote on probably an average of 30-50 posts and many of their comments every single day, but the last comment I left was over a month ago.
I also wonder if the active user count is counting people who made multiple accounts across different instances and was therefore always massively overinflated to begin with. I have 5 lemmy accounts - one on lemmy.world when I first joined, one on lemmynsfw for happy fun times, and 3 more trying to find a different instance with the de federation policy and hoster that I wanted after lemmy.world was going through their ddos downtime issue.
I’m yet to encounter the majority of issues I hear Lemmings griping about. Everyone has been pretty civil toward me. Every time my inbox blows up I feel dread, only to open it and find zero confrontation or vitriol. I’m not running into any racists, sexists, bigots, etc., and I certainly haven’t noticed a decline in content (I browse Top ~6 Hours).
I realize my personal experience doesn’t equate to these problems not existing, but I do get the strong impression that people are exaggerating greatly.
If you share a thought on a Biden/Trump thread, an Israel/Palestine thread, or another topic that attracts strong views, and your opinion is different than the hive, expect some vitriol and confrontation.
I’ve run into it while seriously looking for debate or productive conversation.
The same thing happens on Reddit, though. I think that’s kind of just the internet from now on. /r/worldnews is literally just a pro-Israel, anti-Palestine echo chamber so it’s nice to see another perspective on here. (I only browse Reddit at work not logged in for the record.) Over here, the hive mind on that seems to change thread to thread.
You mean pro Palestine? You literally can’t say “hey Hamas should be considered at fault too for using hospitals in the first place” without someone telling you that it’s 11101010% Israel’s fault for ever defending themselves when any civilian could get hurt.
It’s funny when the US does war in the middle east when a republican is president the media doesn’t even cover it. At least not to the extent we do today. That’s because Republicans are callous and could not give an ounce of fuck. The fact that people want to hold Biden to account should tell you everything you need to know about the two parties. Yes Biden sucks dick. Yes genocide is unacceptable no matter the people doing genocide. Only I’m voting along side the constituents that actually give a fuck.
And that is certainly not the GOP. They only care that it makes Biden look bad.
Sure? I don’t care about US presidents. I’m talking about how personal responsibility doesn’t exist for Hamas.
Israel is apparently completely at fault for having to attack hospitals because that’s where Hamas is choosing to fight from specifically to increase civilian death, but it’s not Hamas’ fault as well for choosing to put their own civilians in harms way for their political goals?
Fuck the both of them, the middle east is a cesspit of ancient draconian morals and ideas, and they’re constantly dragging first world nations into their ancient goat herder religion bullshit.
Sick of seeing the world on the brink of collapse and the conservative nutjobs always claiming it’s the end times and using it to justify their oppression of minority groups in other countries. Structured nations borderline fall apart every few years because a few million extremists half a globe away have had a blood feud for thousands of years.
Hamas had human shields. What is there to argue about? Should we take innocent lives to punish the guilty? Doesn’t sound like justice to me.
The world is a shit place. People are really flirting with the idea of fascism in America. Its insane but they are doing it. Americans are lucky now to have relatively peaceful lives despite corporations wanting to oppress them. Why we involved ourselves with the middle east is toothpaste we can’t get back in the tube. At what point as Americans are we allowed to bow out of the discussion? To me, it’s when we cast our ballot and its for the side that is the lesser evil. As individuals we are purposefully cut off from the reigns of power and until the people seize them again we have no choice but to keep making the humbling choice.
I’ve been active for a month and in my opinion too many users have radicalised and extremist mindsets, but other than that it’s alright.
Going back to reddit would mean to install that unbearable app they have and having to deal with incompetent admins, so I will stay here for some time.
I can see why it’s off-putting for a lot of people though.
many users have radicalised and extremist mindsets,
I think thats the whole internet nowdays, unless you decide to exclusivelly consume cat content (and even then theres gonna be a way to jam in extremist political views by some nutter somehow).
Although i have to admit that the ones here are of a diferent breed than most, mainly tankies and people on that side of the compass (and yes they are very annoying about it).
One upside to lemmy is that ,at least up untill now, the mods and admins are very neutral and i rarelly see deleted comments (or maybe they are hidden… i dunno) and that theres genuine free speech in here, i mean if you whant you can look at my comment history, i get downvoted to oblivion most of the time but my comments are still up and not censored.
Although there is this weird thing on other instances (im in sh.itjust.works and they dont do this i know i tryied it) that delete words on peoples comments and posts, mainly slurs and politically incorrect words. Really, i seen that some months before, dont know if it still like that now with the world users, but if you type something like fa***t in .world you will get “deleted” in that word specifically irc
I don’t know how to feel about it, gives me some “spez editing the database to change comments” vibes.
I guess I would feel better to just get notified that my comment got removed.
Or is it just a displaying option based on the instance you logged in with and it gets filtered on the display side and a different instance user would still see the original?
Indeed it does, thats why i shit so much on political extremeism, it inevitably ends in censorship.
My advice would be that if it makes you feel uncomfortable (and you still whant to use lemmy), change instances, like i said, shit.just.works doesnt do that, dont know which other instances do and doesnt. I think lemmy.ml absolutelly does.
My only issue is the lack of small communities that get posts frequently, and yeah, duh, I should contribute, but theres only so much I can say about my transness.
One thing I miss about reddit is just being able to endlessly read about peoples experiences and stupid shitty trans memes, thats just missing here right now
Exactly this. My small Reddit communities had a few posts per day. The equivalent on Lemmy have a few per year. Still, I don’t miss them enough to go back.
Exactly my experience as well. Sure, I don’t have infinite scroll, but I also don’t feel like an algorithm is trying to make me angry. When I get responses, they’re typically thoughtful or on topic.
I feel I have better engagement here. It is still missing some more niche communities that Reddit had, and I’m trying to be active to grow them, but it has been slow.
lurkers are also not counted in this statistics. ifaik only active users who are posting or commenting are counted. so there might be more users out there who are active and just lurking and they are not counted.
Yeah, it’s plain to see that engagement is steadily climbing. The top posts keep getting higher and higher numbers and new, interesting communities keep popping up.
Long time lurker here, 99% of the time I go to post a comment I delete it before posting like ah fuck it. I’m trying to engage a bit more now there are more users.
I mostly lurk, too, but enjoy being around my fellow Lemmings.
The only decline I have seen as someone who mostly lurks is in conservatives who thought this was the next Voat. After the surge I saw an uptick in all kinds of people, and a lot of them I don’t mind seeing leave.
You don’t need this lil slice of the internet to be the “next big thing”, you just need a place to go to see the stuff you like.
Ya ever since everyone defederated from exploding heads there’s definitely less of them. Maybe one day they’ll create another instance. I hope they do, maybe a less transphobic conservative instance, just for the variety of people.
So, following the 90/9/1 rule, 90% lurk, 9% comment, 1% create content, we are primarily losing from the 90%? That seems to be a good thing for the long-term. As long as we aren’t losing from the 1% I’d say we’re good
I’m close to that too, but I think mine was 13 years. The weird thing that I’ve noticed is that most of the time I was on Reddit, almost no one I talked to in real life used Reddit. I struggled for years to try to get people to check the site out. Now that I left, I swear I hear someone I know mention Reddit exponentially more often. The average person doesn’t give a damn about how shitty the platform has become, because they weren’t around to see what it used to be. The average person WANTS to see ads interspersed with their cookie cutter content with stupid ass features like chat and followers. Good riddance.
I’m a counter example. I contributed on Reddit, moderated my own subreddit with a couple of thousand viewers; couple of tens of contributors
I haven’t been back to that sub, haven’t appointed any other mods. If automod can’t handle shit, shit isn’t being handled
I have been back to other subs. There are small inoffensive places on Reddit that simply haven’t moved
I still visit those subs, still write on them, just not nearly as often
Edit to add: checking today, those subs are becoming less good. With no good app, so many of the prolific commenters don’t comment much now. I also had a reply to a 2015 comment I made. I thought stuff was auto-archived much quicker than that
Agreed. First they killed RedditGifts, then AMAs, then the up vote/down vote debacle, and when they took away my ability to use Relay is when I left. Screw them.
Yep, arrived during the initial digg exodus, had tens of thousands of posts at Reddit, modded two subreddits. Closed my account the day during the protests and haven’t been back.
I’m not as active here, mostly due to a busier life but found a new home anyway.
That’s what this is all about, people are putting their trust in systems that aren’t trustworthy, who will sell you to the highest bidder. Or any bidder frankly.
My mental health is so much better than when i scrolled reddit. Everyone here is so nice and doesn’t talk like 14 year olds with an ego. Also theres front page furry porn
I also find the limited number of posts and comments keep me at a healthy level of browsing. On Reddit I could get sucked down the rabbit hole of even one post, reading comments and replying to stuff for hours. There’s really very little of value that can ever be accomplished at that depth.
I agree with this, and on top of that the lack of infinite scroll is a feature to me because it requires me to deliberately consider each post before the next page rather than just spamming downward looking for that next dopamine hit.
which is the reason why some people don’t move to it.
If the first, there are other bad/tracking/adware things that people use and the people that try to help have a helpful tone. But for windows, people that ‘try to help’ always talk in a blaming tone and act like “I’m superior than you bc i use linux”
Or if the second
Bc you need some help to figure out Linux but if the community that is supposed to help act like that would people move?
I think you can find some jerks in any community, it’s people. But I doubt that GNU/Linux enthusiasts hate people for using Windows in general. I personally a GNU/Linux user and I never hate people for using Windows.
It’s just like Reddit - they have more content, but we prefer Lemmy because of freedom. And we hate Reddit (and spez), not it’s users.
Not really if you get into political talk, you will be shit talked into oblivion, and in the subject of pornography, i find the one here on lemmynsfw bland af, its mostly tje same chicks posting over and over again. But other than that I have seen before complaints from people on the lemmy.nsfw community that they are surprisingly puritan with the nsfw content allowed, and if you look for that type of content you will realize that its true, like i can think of various extreme fetishes that are banned that i rather not type here in public, but some that are more perplexing are like csncs, which its just a type of roleplay between 2 consenting adults and thats banned for some reason, and rape hentai, while i understeand while that would be controversial, its still a fetish sone people would have and its in draw form so no harm done to anyone, also some other gross stuff that nobody likes like scat or guro (drawn ofc)
Which like i said nobody whants to watch those last 2 except for the people that do and there even are comunities of those in reddit, so its very weird that there arent any equivalents here.
(Btw when i say banned i mean that they dont allow comunities that post that type of content.)
(And before you ask no im not into any of that type of the aformentioned shit)
Now you could say “well change instances”, but i heard bad things from the other ones here that do allow some of that stuff, specially the hentai focused ones, which i heard are mainly legally dubius shit and a little dangerous to go there so i rather look for porn/hentai somewhere els
Agreed, I went on reddit recently and realized how much anxiety it used to cause me. Fuck that place. There is definitely something to their algorithm meant to make you feel that way.
This is exactly right, I even find myself wanting to check my GME DRS subs but knowing I shouldn’t and feeling bad about it and blocking it for myself until the next week when I unblock and check my subs again in shame. But I’ll never return for real because I know she’s bad for me, wait we’re still talking about Reddit right?
Nah, fuck spez forever. That sentiment should never die. I hope a decade after reddit goes bankrupt, he can’t leave his home without getting the phrase screamed at him
We can decide to never go back to our ex and also warn others if it comes up, while still moving on with our lives. However, if we’re just bringing it up out of nowhere, we’re still hung up on them.
I mean, would you call this post ‘content’? It’s just low-effort, non-discussion-provoking, nothingness about a platform that nobody around here cares about anymore (except you apparently?)
You literally repost AI generated images, you dont even possess the originality to come up with your own prompt Lmao and you’ve never even made a post with over 1k upvotes. Git gud
honestly it’s replaced reddit for me in a good way, because it has just enough new content that I can check it before bed every day and scroll for a bit, but not enough to where I spend entire lunch breaks on it. sometimes I go days without even checking it. if anything it’s made my relationship with my browser / phone healthier than reddit.
100%, all I really want is something I can look at and perhaps sensibly chuckle at when I have a few minutes… Not a pasasitic brain worm that really wants me to pay attention to it.
a lot of servers are really weird about porn, ngl. its not that they just don’t allow it on their server (which, cool, thats fine), its that they go out of their way to block it. its a new wave of puritanism and i don’t really like it. although porn isn’t that hard to find if you are on a good server.
Do you know of a good server for that? Because I tried to sign up with Lemmy n sfw they never activated my account, and it was like a month ago.
And yeah, I’m not sure why the sex positivity movement seems to have completely reversed itself. There is this idea that the idea of sexuality of any kind is somehow inherently wrong. Which is stupid. I need all the fetishes
Give yourself some grace, yes corporate social media is addictive and yes it is easy to get lost mindlessly scrolling but the important question to ask is why is your brain so exhausted and stressed that mindlessly scrolling is the only thing you really have the mental energy to do so much of the time?
Western society repeatedly slams through the narrative that social media addiction is the reason people are miserable and it is all a pathetic attempt to distract us from the fact that our lives suck because of actual horrible things like not being able to afford rent, being in endless debt, not being able to afford healthcare and any number of other awful stresses.
If you need to blob out and scroll after getting out of your shitty job that pays shit where you are treated like shit and sitting in shitty traffic on the way home for who knows how long that’s on society for only providing predatory options that abuse you.
For a lot of people the only thing they actually have the energy to do after work every night is mindlessly scroll, it is a grace that people at least have that to turn to even if it is predatory. It is a symptom not the core issue.
Also true. And there are plenty of worthwhile/educational things to be found on the apps that can help a bit more than they harm. But yeah, it being a symptom is spot on.
I just discovered Lemmy, and I’m so happy about it. Instagram replaced Reddit for me these last five months, and I can really feel how detrimental it is for me. It’s like an ADHD-machine. No community, no discussion, just this as quick and loud phase as possible vibe. You look through one recipe video and you get recipes for several days. People dancing and dancing with huge smiles and these creepy eyes. Honestly it’s all so dystopian.
So keeping on with Instagram is not an option, going back to reddit is not an option - and I was really considering becoming like this person who is never in his phone, really mentally healthy, but wildly uninformed about the world and the general discussion 😅
The feel of this place with the Sync app is just so * chefs kiss *. Feels like what reddit was.
Yep, that’s what I said. Not a specific app. So you don’t actually have an app in mind do you? I’m not reading a bunch of reddit threads to back your claim for you. You are simply wrong until you back your claim. I mean you can simply tell me what app you use right? The app that’s free and ad free when using your suggested VPN?
Huh? My claim is that ad blocking hasn’t changed from before or after the API stuff. What Reddit app you use - what method of accessing Reddit you use is completely irrelevant to the topic of blocking ads.
They’re ALL ad free when you block ads, you numpty.
I’m not sure if you’re straw manning me, red herring me, are drunk or just completely retarded, but in any case - you’re dumb as fuck.
And my claim is that many mobile phone users who used 3rd party apps did not even need a separate ad blocking solution, the apps already blocked them. Thus your claim that “ad blocking has not changed” is wrong.
The ads were blocked from me before, and the app I used is no longer available. That is the definition of changed for my use case. Maybe understand that not everyone uses things the way you use things, you condescending windbag.
If the app changed for you… That is completely irrelevant to the topic of ad revenue. Maybe you responded to the wrong person. Maybe you responded to the wrong post.
But changing Reddit apps doesn’t have anything to do with giving Reddit ad revenue.
To be clear: it didn’t matter if the app you used before didn’t serve ads, since you should be using an ad blocking service making the entire topic (the OP and whatever insanity you’re dribbling) irrelevant and non-existent.
It is not completely irrelevant. It is simply indirectly relevant. The reason people are keen to deny Reddit ad revenue is because the API issue pissed a lot of people off.
Ad blocking alone wouldn’t prevent sponsored posts from showing up, and sponsored posts are also ads.
Stop insulting people before you understand things completely. If you cannot understand other people and just think everyone is an idiot, you might want to get yourself screened for autism. And that’s not an insult, it’s a suggestion.
I don’t think everyone is an idiot, just you, and other people who don’t use adblockers.
I love how you feel the need to explain why people want to block ad revenue - which just supports me, and makes you look retarded. Yes, block their ad revenue. By using an ad blocker.
Ah yes, keep insulting me. That truly shows you know what you’re talking about. Yep you’ve convinced me. Good luck with your future interactions with the rest of society. I’m fairly certain that more people think poorly of you than think highly of you.
I’m glad you glossed over sponsored posts and ignored the fine details of my argument, but that’s about what I’d expect from someone with your irrational combative nature. It’s a pity. You could be so much more than that. Best of luck to you, sincerely. I’ll hope reason can dispel this anger in you some day. I clearly don’t know the words at present to allow you to understand my perspective, and I apologize for that deficiency.
We all are. Or do you consider yourself a paragon of humanity despite not knowing the definitions of words? Still no comment on sponsored posts with regards to advertisements. And for what it’s worth, I do use an ad blocker, but all ad blockers don’t function the same way, which is another subtle detail I am unsure you are capable of grasping. But that’s ok, it’s not inherently bad that you are ignorant, it’s simply a state of reality. Your irrationality doesn’t negatively impact my life in any meaningful way.
The important thing is that you are happy.
Also, just so I am completely transparent, the reason I have discussed things with you thus far was not for your benefit. I am using you to demonstrate something to others. So thank you for participating in my publicly viewable experiment. It’s been preserved, even if you delete your comments at this point. Have a nice day!
Install an adblocker, and you and OP are moot. There are no ads when you’re not retarded like you. Regardless of what app or website you use. Fuck you’re stupid.
I already use one… Oh, do you not speak English? Or have some condition that affects reading comprehension? You might need to reread this entire thread more carefully. You haven’t answered a single question that I asked. Are you being intentionally obtuse? Aren’t you the one who accused me of “red-herring” and other nonsense?
Or at least, if you visit reddit, don’t click on any ads or contribute in a meaningful way. In addition, never directly link to reddit. In a way, all your actions that affect reddit in any way should be to the detriment of reddit. It’s like trying to cut down a sequoia with a sharp pebble, but even small livestock shits.
well said. it’s not about quantity, it’s about quality. and spez enshittified Reddit because of greed, we shouldn’t be greedy ourselves, or Lemmy will get enshittified too. i would like to slowly make it cozy and happy here, we shouldn’t be competing against Reddit, because Lemmy is something different.
any nice user is welcome, please don’t make them feel guilty for being on Reddit too. we will slowly make a nice transition so people have the option to being their stuff here if they want, which is what we need. no rupturism, please. i think we should be welcoming, not warmongering. this was made for users, not against spez. it’s totally different.
spez can go and screw himself, i prefer to appreciate those who do good than to mourn about those who do wrong. don’t waste energies on destructivity, spend them on constructivity.
don’t compare to Reddit, compare to Lemmy on July, to Lemmy now, to what Lemmy could be if we work together. don’t get anxious about growing. focus on ‘growing nice’ instead of ‘growing more’.
we will make it. for sure. and it will be great.
have a nice day.
edit: i realize the ‘not against spez’ could have been worded better. what i try to say is that i prefer to focus my energies on nice people than bad people. i suffered already a lot bc of bad people and i prefer to spend my life supporting nice folks. sorry for the confusion.
What’s shocking is that it could have been a force for good and community building. Instead he insulated the bullies and allowed people to abuse the system for personal profit. All of this because of an unending sense of entitlement.
yea, spez is a piece of garbage, and he did all this for money. and it’s sad to see Reddit worsen so much, as it was sad to see Twitter become the same. still, spez enshittified what nice users made nice before. if we support that kind of users, i’m sure we can even surpass the awesomeness Reddit once had. because awesomeness is not Reddit’s, it’s the internet’s. no matter where it is, if we support, it will bloom.
Agreed. I’ll be staying with Lemmy. I don’t care about daily active user numbers, I care about how Spez is treating Reddit and having good post content. Redditors themselves (as a whole) are not a problem, and I have a plethora of good posts to go through when I get on every few days.
that’s so nice, pal! and yes, it’s totally understandable to feel saddened and angry at spez for doing that (i feel the very same), but we can compile that content here, and welcome their original posters to Lemmy when they feel ready. what it’s worrying is the hateful comments about redditors, calling them names. i think some people is becoming radicalised, and they feel ‘superior’ in some way to other users. i don’t think that ‘cyber snobism’ will help Lemmy in any way, but that’s just my opinion. thanks ^^
After the big surge happened from Reddit and the anti-Reddit hate died down, a lot of people start realizing that this place sucks. It’s confusing to use, it’s polluted with Marxists and other brain dead extremists everywhere, and it’s an inferior platform compared to Reddit. There are no niche communities, there are very little non political communities, and the amount of active communities is very limited. At the end of the day, for a lot of people, their love for the community on Reddit outweighs their hate for Spez
Lemmy is a niche place. Unless you’re far left politically or you’re big on privacy like I am, there’s no real appeal to this place. The average Joe would much rather use Reddit despite its flaws. There’s nothing here for fandoms or sports or movies/shows or anything really. Outside of a few toxic political communities, some privacy/piracy/tech communities, and a bunch of mediocre meme communities… this site is as good as dead.
Well, guess everyone has to go where they’re happy. Personally, I don’t find too much to like about reddit. It’s a hypermasculine right-wing platform with the most off-putting users It’s been my displeasure to interact with. There’s some of that here, but they usually get uncomfortable and leave, which is fucking great!
Lmao just how far left do you have to be to find Reddit of all places to be right wing? Reddit is one of the most infamous left wing echo chamber. They’re not evil enough to be Marxists but calling them right wing is just straight up inaccurate.
I feel quite the opposite. Reddit is populated predominantly by far right-wingers masquerading as libertarians. Things like racism, sexism, LGBTphobia, and xenophobia run rampant on the default subs. Every single thread on r/all is filled with them, and if you report them, you’re likely to catch a ban for “abusing the report button.” I actually got an IP ban for reporting a threat against trans people. Then there are the status quo warriors who fantasize about meting out violence against anyone who doesn’t fit the norm. Then there are the pedos, pedos everywhere.
Most of the so-called “leftist” subreddits are actually right-wing neoliberal subs, r/SubredditDrama or r/AgainstHateSubreddits, for example. These are not leftists or post-leftist, but system-defending pro-state pro-hierarchical neolibs. It would take a true fascist to call these people “leftist.”
And the admins are Nazis.
I like it here because it’s more moderate. Sure, there are some awful neoliberal mods on lemmy.world, but most of the users there seem alright. I’ve never felt like I’d be banned as an anarchist or for saying things like “punch Nazis” or “punch transphobes” like I was on that other hellsite. This place is much more welcoming.
what are you on about? i can go argue about the latest seasonal anime if i want, i can go look at one person uploading little witch acadamia pictures every single day because they can, i can go find new visual novels, i can even just stare at touhou fumos.
Totally agree, it’s not about the quantity of conversations here. It’s the quality. Here I can engage in an Isreal/Palestine conversation with only a moderate level of outrage in the thread, I wouldn’t even dare read such a thread on Reddit. I don’t want to read all that hate and lust for violence.
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