That’s how it works in most abusive relationships. The perpetrator behaves terribly and then is forgiven. Like the tide coming in each time the abuse is worse, more damaging or in this case more demeaning, but the cost of exiting the relationship is too high because it means to become alone and people hate loneliness more than being shit upon so they complain and stay and hope that this time it will be better even though if they think about it they know it won’t be.
The quality of reddit has seriously gone downhill. It feels like being on Facebook or something, the comments are cringrworthy and just plain odd and the posts aren’t great either.
This is me. I still go there for two or three subs that don’t have critical mass here (thus no conversation). The upcoming weighted sort algo should help a little, drawing people to smaller community content.
But I also moderate a reasonably large sub there, and have stopped attempting to grow anything there – just spam removal, manually.
But I don’t post new content there. Sometimes I’ll reply on a comment chain. Here I post new content and interact a lot more.
I’m using Lemmy Connect as my app (like 98% of it). What’s interesting is, when I use Reddit I refuse to use their app, so I’m using old Reddit, in a browser. But I catch myself attempting to swipe on comments using the Lemmy Connect gestures.
I quit Reddit 2 years ago due to the content becoming more and more toxic (maybe it was always toxic) and I’m just so dang happy that my favorite 3rd party Reddit apps have a Lemmy client. I’m using Sync and it’s like coming home. Functionally identical experience but with a cooler community.
I didn’t notice much degradation after the 2016 election enshittening. I set to work blocking all the power users and was able to to maintain the post-2016 level of quality right up until I largely quit.
There are two subs I use that have no Lemmy equivalent (one of them probably never will) but otherwise Reddit is just a marginally better StackOverflow for me now.
Also I must admit the Excel subreddit is simply too useful to quit. I’m a damn wizard at this point and these people still surprise me.
I can’t (and shouldn’t have to) carry the entire weight of a fandom on my shoulders. Until there’s more activity here on those subjects, I have to at least keep an eye on Reddit.
What I always do when I can however, is I try to do POSEO to raise awareness: by which I mean, I post my opinions or ideas or stories in my own site (or in my Masto main) first, and only crosslink on Reddit. I was thinking of doing the same with reply comments as well, but dunno how much would that promote interaction.
Fandoms have trouble here as well. Take something like baseball. There are so many communities to follow across instances that even if a Fandom has a following, it’s fragmented across multiple sites.
I was called a racist and holocaust denier because I asked someone how they expect YouTube servers to be paid for if you refuse to pay for premium, and don’t want to watch ads.
My comments were downvoted like crazy, and the person who called me a racist holocaust denier was upvoted…
Again, all because I asked a question about how servers should be paid for. What the actual fuck? Reddit is insanely toxic, but Lemmy takes the cake.
ibb.co/pvk0HWvibb.co/bsPRfyZibb.co/0Mxd8rrYou were being a smartass and then got one-guyed. The community on lemmy seems generally positive with a few crazies, just like everywhere.
Look in that thread and there are plenty of people who ask “how will youtube keep the servers up without ads though?” with reasonable responses such as: torrent-esque video sharing people donating to creators and youtube taking a cut or reasonable issues like: ads cause me a lot of stress and I am not wealthy, does this mean I can never watch a video again? Or read an article or see any online content? Not wanting to support billion dollar megacorps
Getting responded to in kind by 1 guy is not a toxic community, everywhere I’ve seen people ask a question in a normal way 99% of the time they get normal responses
I agree that the pricing doesn’t make sense unless you can split it, which is what I do.
Premium is $25 in Canada. You can add 5 people to your plan. That makes it $5 per month for each of us.
Personally I don’t buy cable or satellite TV, so I get most of my enjoyment from YouTube. So to me $5 per month is nothing, especially if you have something like Spotify which you can cancel and use YouTube Music, which is included in that $5.
If you have no friends and you’re the only one footing the bill, I agree that the pricing is a lot. At that point you just have to deal with the annoying ads.
I hate ads as much as anyone, but my question still remains for anyone who demands on blocking all ads and refusing to pay for premium, how do you expect servers and creators to be paid?
I know Google can technically afford it, but that’s not how businesses are run. You can’t take profits from one department to make up for the losses in another department, and as we know bandwidth is extremely expensive, and Google hosts an unbelievable amount of data, and free, too.
Like I’ve mentioned in the past, I have a bunch of videos uploaded to YouTube to share with family, and they are all private. Therefore Google is paying to store my videos, while making $0 from them, as they are not public and making any ad revenue.
I also know that Google is bad. Corporations suck. All that jazz. I just don’t understand why most of Lemmy users think everything should be free, but when asked about how these things are supposed to get funded, they go silent.
Lemmy itself won’t be around long if users refuse to donate to their instance, and refuse to view ads. Even if someone is hosting an instance in their basement, the cost of internet, replacement drives, maintenance, and electricity all add up.
I hate ads as much as anyone, but my question still remains for anyone who demands on blocking all ads and refusing to pay for premium, how do you expect servers and creators to be paid?
I’m pretty sure it’s 2023 and this has already been discussed and solved ad nauseam, so I’m also sure all I’m going to say here is just repeated from elsewhere, but:
First of all, “creators” (not artists! There’s a semantic difference) are not going to get paid better just because you pay for YT Premium. Premium pays Youtube, not the creators pleading not to be demonetized. If you’re asking how are creators going to be paid, the answer is simple: directly. If you set up a service without intermediaries, for example a direct wire transfer, or at least something close to it like a Patreon, you get all of the coins and people who want to pay you-but-not-Youtube (or whatever platform) face a better incentive.
Second, stuff like gift cards.
Third, and this is something I’ve never seen any naysayer deal with properly: the same methods that have existed before can still work now. I don’t remember ever paying rent for Usenet, or IRC, or BBSes, yet those things were literally plentiful, if I so much as lifted a rock in a cropped 8-bit-color grayscale PNG, the tranparency layer had a link to a BBS. And part of the issue is that there’s a “attention deficit oooh shiny syndrome” going on where instead of using vintage-timer, battle-tested, lightweight, low dependency, cheap payment, low maintenance protocols and services for ensuring persistence and continuation of communities, we are for some weird reason insisting that whatever community launches next is a Perfect Imitation fo Youtube, or else. Such is the case of Matrix: for all its promises, IRC and XMPP are much better battle-tested and for the monthly price (and monthly annoyance) of 1 Matrix server you can run about 25 XMPP servers, or likely over 300 IRC servers.
And the key here is that it’s the devs who have to take the turn return towards simpler, better tech. Devs gotta lead by example. Users (masses of) are obviously not going to be the ones to do it.
As someone who rarely ever uses YouTube, $25 would be fucking bonkers to pay monthly for no ads. Imo a decent idea to explore would be x amount of minutes that are ad free per month, then after you hit that limit you get given ads. You’d have to be signed into an account, any instances with no account logged in get ads by default.
Another idea is to add lower tiers to the available plans. 5 people can sign in on the current option? Is there a cheaper plan that only allows linking 1 account? This could even tie in with the previous idea and have certain plans that give you x minutes of watching adless per month.
I’m sure there are plenty of other options out there. In fact I wouldn’t be bothered having to watch an ad before a video (or a midroll in a longer video) but the experiences I’ve had with using YouTube frequently involve me pulling up a certain scene within a movie or something and getting 2-3 ads that are a minute long each, unskippable, and potentially midrolls in there if the video is over 5 minutes. It just makes me close the video and think “yeah fuck that, I don’t need to watch that scene anymore”.
Overall point: the ads would be fine if they weren’t so excessive and intrusive
There is a cheaper option for just a single account. 13.99 in the US. I think that’s a reasonable price and would pay it if it was just me. I just wish there was an option between 1 person and a whole family.
No. You very obviously don’t know how bandwidth is handled for large providers. They don’t pay per gb, and instead have peering agreements with other networks. Google generally doesn’t have to pay these other networks, as Google has the web applications that the other networks’ customers expect to be able to use.
Wow they sound like they came straight out of Twitter. Though one reason why I use FOSS and barely donate is because our currency isn’t that powerful. I see it in the way people say that self-hosted is cheap (probably from Europe or America) but it’s actually crazy expensive for me (Philippines). Our average monthly income is around 400$. Even if I were to donate a substantial part of it, anyone in the first world would barely gain anything and I would have lots to lose. Unless if they’re from another developing country.
Even if you barely donate, you’re donating more than most users. Everyone should help in whatever capacity they can and there isn’t any shame in not being able to contribute as much as others. I’d love to see how many donations some of the FOSS purists here make haha. I bet a lot of the real toxic FOSS bros don’t contribute anything.
The part of Reddit that I DO miss are the video subs. Like WTF, mildly interesting, why were they filming, etc. From my understanding, let me isn’t able to host videos but why not drop links to vids🤷🏿♂️
Honestly, I've found Lemmy to be generally worse than Reddit since it seems to be where all the banned redditors go once people get sick of their shit.
Not sure exactly when it happened, but sometime in the past 3-4 years reddit just became not-reddit. It seemed to draw a more Facebook-esque audience than in prior years. There is still some good content there, but its simply not what it used to be.
Personally, there are some smaller communities that exist on Reddit that just don’t exist on Lemmy, or have inactive communities. The other option for some of those communities is Twitter, so I’d much rather just check Reddit. I also don’t expect my local towns subreddit to move to Lemmy from Reddit. I think it’s less about returning to Reddit and more so wanting to participate in small communities that exist in Reddit.
Only time I think I’ve read it these days is when I have to look something up and the first result is a fucking Reddit page from 50 years ago discussing what I was looking up. Admittedly I probably still be using it if I hadn’t been banned from the whole site on a trumped-up charge.
I too, was fucked by a trumped up charge. Perma-banned by IP so any new account I setup without a VPN gets banned.
My main account (16yo, “Charter Member”) got a subreddit ban. It was reversed a few weeks later by a mod. Then the original mod re-banned me and said “no ban evasion allowed”. Then Reddit banned me for evading a ban.
I didn’t evade anything. I was allowed to post during a short period!
Mine was: I kept reporting people for being transphobic dicks, some of whom were straight up doing the “Let’s report this profile for suicidal posts and cite them being trans as proof. The automated system will do the rest”, non-joke, and eventually I had to start reporting people for other things…
Instead of ya know, actually looking into the things I was reporting, Reddit took one look at the mass of reports I made and decided I HAD to be making the whole thing up and just banned me for “False Reports” and “Report Abuse” because that’s just easier than doing their fucking jobs.
They also claimed it wouldn’t be reversed because it was a “Clear violated of the TOS”, and linked me a TOS which had nothing on “False Reports/Report Abuse”
Ironically, this was my second Site-Wide Ban.
My first? I was banned for promoting violence and sending death threats to people. The ban was reversed when I appealed it and pointed out that the post in question had no threats, and was just a heavily downvoted post in which I claimed to be glad Cara Dune’s actress being fired was a good thing… Bastards didn’t even check to see if an actual death threat was made.
I’ve never seen a service more excited to exclude people from using it than Reddit.
<span style="color:#323232;">Perma-bans are fucking crazy.
</span><span style="color:#323232;">The correct way to think about them is as a death sentence.
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Hatred speech in real life:
</span><span style="color:#323232;"> what, like 2 years in prison?
</span><span style="color:#323232;"> IDK actually...
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Hatred speech on reddit:
</span><span style="color:#323232;"> death penalty.
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More like lifetime sentence because you still can view the content without the account, no? It’s not like they come into your house and took all your computing devices.
<span style="color:#323232;">Yeeeeah, that's a good point, kind of.
</span><span style="color:#323232;">But even people serving life sentences can
</span><span style="color:#323232;"> still communicate with the outside world from prison.
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Because I still need it to access older repair guides and ask people on fixing stuff from cars and household things to study material and that community simply isn’t as big here. I use lemmy with boost much more but I still use some services on reddit outside of that nothing else to do on there. So no need to judge, you are expecting a 5m community to have as much information and technical knowhow as a 150m user base. You can have a ferarri 458 you occasionally use when needed for the track ay and still daily a toyota prius.
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