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Ilovethebomb, in ‘I prefer women’s jeans – men’s lack design subtlety’: why men are buying womenswear

Even “loose fit” jeans are too tight for me, I don’t think I could physically wear women’s jeans.

swiftcasty,

It is true that women’s pants sit closer to the skin, and yet women’s pants tend to be made out of a much higher percentage of latex so they stretch more than men’s pants.

slacktoid, in Study suggest men refuse to ditch meat because it threatens their masculinity
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And so is heart disease. Nothing more masculine as dropping from a clogged heart.

ininewcrow,
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Or diabetes and GERD … nothing like frothing at the mouth with a diabetic attack or sleeping with a breathing mask and oxygen to make you look like a man.

AngryHumanoid,

As a diabetic your example, well intentioned as it may be, is completely wrong in pretty much every way.

ininewcrow,
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I’m not diabetic … but half my family is (and I have a big family) … and I’ve seen my share of out of control diabetics who have full blown attacks because they are so chaotic that they don’t bother monitoring themselves or their disease. I’m Indigenous Canadian from northern Ontario and I have a pretty dysfunctional family … I’ve seen young men in their 20s with out of control diabetes … people in their 30s with blood sugar so freaking high, you wonder why they are still alive … .people in their 40s with amputations due to diabetes … and people dying in their 50s from the disease. It’s terrible. On many occasions I’ve had to call ambulances and take family and friends to emerg because they were helplessly losing control of their mind and bodies due to diabetes … it isn’t pretty and absolutely terrifying.

As to the GERD … that disease affects mostly my affluent friends in cities and towns in the south … I have four friends who are in their 50s who have severe GERD to the point where they can’t breathe at night because the reflux is affecting their esophagus and obstructing their airway … and the only way they can properly breathe at night is with a mask and oxygen.

AngryHumanoid,

I’ve been a type 1 diabetic for 12 years and a director at a kids camp for type 1 diabetics for 5 years. There is no such thing as a “diabetic attack”. There is high blood sugar (because diabetics either don’t make or don’t process insulin) and there is low blood sugar (because an insulin dependent diabetic took too much insulin). What you are trying to describe is a diabetic seizure which 99% of the time is an accidental overdose of insulin (low blood sugar).

Now if you’re trying to talk about complications from uncontrolled diabetes from a lifetime of not taking care of it yes that is terrible, but that’s the minority of diabetics and you have to go to pretty extreme lengths of not taking care of it (literally years/decades) to get to that point, so let’s not act like the issue is the diabetes itself.

And even if we ignore all that what the fuck does that have to do with eating meat? Most diabetics prefer a high protein diet because it’s CARBS that raise blood sugar. If you’re argument is meat = fat = overweight then 2 things, overweight doesn’t cause diabetes (it’s a factor for type 2 only), and 2: the issue still isn’t the diabetes, it’s the complete lack of caring for a medical issue.

HeartyBeast, in Study suggest men refuse to ditch meat because it threatens their masculinity
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Pretty bad editorialising of the headline there, OP. That's really not what the study showed. It was more nuanced than that.

BuddyTheBeefalo,

Which headline/article are you getting? I edited it 30 seconds after posting. Maybe there are federation problems with the update.

edit: from lemmy.ca it looks like the preview of the article is not updated, the link is. from lemmy.ml, everything is fine.

HeartyBeast,
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Ah, I’m seeing “ Study suggest men refuse to ditch meat because it threatens their masculinity”

BuddyTheBeefalo,
HeartyBeast,
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My apologies, when I read the article originally, it had a very different headline.

Edit Original headline I saw was: "New study finds that masculine language, reshapes men’s perspectives on vegan dishes "

LostWon, in Study suggest men refuse to ditch meat because it threatens their masculinity

Reminds me of a recent video by Our Changing Climate about how patriarchy may be driving/energizing the climate crisis. It’s on Nebula or Youtube for anyone who wants to watch.

TigrisMorte, in Study suggest men refuse to ditch meat because it threatens their masculinity

Or it is that seasoned chared flesh is really tasty. One of those two.

TemporaryBoyfriend,

The way I do it (cast iron pan on the BBQ, screamin’ hot at 700+C) is super delicious. So much so that I think I might fire up a steak this weekend. Gotta check the weather forecast to see if it’s worthwhile.

droopy4096, in Study suggest men refuse to ditch meat because it threatens their masculinity

I find it interesting how most of those “studies” take a very shallow approach with main premise: how to perrle vegetarian/vegan lifestyle. I have no problem with folks eating whatever the heck they like, but stop peddling me your preferences based on pseudo-science. I’ve been eating “clean” for over a decade now amd I can say with certainty that vegetarian/vegan diet will near damn kill me at best it’ll cripple me: sensitive to gluten, sugar and nuts, baloon from carbs. Not dealing great with soy etc. Any in-store “vegan” choices nutrutionally inferior to non-vegan as it stands (I do not say they are inheritently so but that the current fact). Industry is busy using adversarial politics pushing more addictive and harmful stuff onto our collective plates and we say nothing.

There’s not such thing as “universal dietary profile”. I.e. we need our choices across entire spectrum. Some of us can’t tolerate certain foods, and that’s not the reason to vilify or victimize.

gapbetweenus, in "Women/Girls love a man with confidence"

Or the best phrase ist: there is no point in generalizing literally half of human population.

And the point with confidence is more that it makes your whole life easy(not just dating) - since you are just not really afraid to fail no matter the odds, but it’s really difficult to develop as an adult.

Ilflish,

Confidence is difficult to build all of your life, not just as an adult. It wasn’t really a problem with “girls like” but more the “just don’t be insecure” connotations

gapbetweenus,

As a child it’s basically your parents supporting and believing in you (helps being good at something). As an adult it’s being really good at something and working on your childhood trauma of not supportive parents.

I don’t really get your point - since not being insecure just helps generally in life. And it’s always good to work on ones insecurities - be it just for oneselfs peace of mind.

barberousse, in Looking for Movies that Showcase Positive Masculinity
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I can start with two exemples:

“Dead Poets Society” (1989)

Robin Williams inspires a group of students to embrace their individuality and challenge societal expectations.

Good Will Hunting" (1997)

Matt Damon’s character, Will Hunting, learns to open up emotionally and seek help, displaying positive growth.

hemko, in Looking for Movies that Showcase Positive Masculinity

Lord of the Rings trilogy.
There’s so much to it, the relationship between Frodo and Sam, Gimli and Legolas, the kindness and openness of Aragorn, the everlasting joyfulness of Merry and Pippin, Boromir who stood by his brother and Faramir who saw the good in people.

There’s so much to love in lotr

Lettuceeatlettuce, in Looking for Movies that Showcase Positive Masculinity
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If you’re interested in animated shows, Avatar: The Last Airbender’s uncle Iroh is a really solid depiction of healthy masculinity.

He’s kind and gentle, but has a tremendous amount of strength both emotionally and physically. He’s empathetic and loving, diplomatic and wise, but very humble and doesn’t take himself too seriously. He loves tea and flowers, and doesn’t get bothered or embarrassed when other male characters tease or mock him for his hobbies.

Blapoo,

Uncle Iroh may be my favorite character ever. Across all media. There’s an impossible amount to love about his story and arc

Franzia, in Americans Are Extremely Paranoid About Masculinity. Here's How We Can Get Over It

I think this is a good primer for opening up to the idea of masculinity being more diverse than Gender Tropes. It’s a hook, but that’s all.

It’s time we stop being so worried about becoming women and start focusing on the real threat to manhood: staying children.

Never mind. This is just as harmful if you ask me. The tropes of a man child are both about social immaturity, which can be a threat to your enjoyment of life. But “man children” can also be defined by aesthetics like dressing comfy, spending time with your Mom, or enjoying nerdy hobbies. Which are all manly qualities. Get specific about it, if you’re gonna write a claim like this.

Rentlar, in Pressure to Prove Your Manhood May Shorten Your Life

Maybe Occupational Health and Safety should run commercials being like “If you’re a real man, you have a 3 point hold whenever you’re on a ladder and have someone watch you.”

TotallyHuman,

I feel like empowering the “Real Man” bullshit, even in a subversive way, is generally a bad idea. Could be an effective campaign though, so maybe the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

e_t_, in From a young age, boys are expected to bulk up at the expense of their emotional and mental health.

At some point when I was young, I came to believe you could be either smart or athletic. I chose smart. Now, I think that was a false choice, causing me to subconsciously give up on my body.

Rentlar, in The trouble with boys isn’t boys: "The way we talk about them has become the way to talk to them, and that’s not good for anybody."

It’s a tough balance to strike for sure. Part of female empowerment is to de-program young and old adults from environments where male identity was default/dominant and that’s absolutely important. For kids on the other hand that don’t have that default to begin with, it is definitely possible for them to feel left out or alienated if given that same unbalanced messaging.

PeepinGoodArgs, in What's the matter with men? 'Real masculinity' should look to queer community, Gen Z.

“It’s community,” a students said toward the end of class one day. “That’s the thing straight men are really missing.”

I 100% agree with this.

What straight men could learn from queer men – aside from a host of stylistic, hygienic and sex tips – is to have a greater zeal and lust for life.

Not so much with this. I love life. Still, it’d be nice to have friends to turn to.

cyborganism,

Absolutely. Every time there’s a “men’s only” activity, other groups are quick to call out sexual discrimination.

There are some good things men can pick up from the queer community. They, of all people, play with what defines masculinity all the time. Queer women who want to be more masculine, trans men wanting to be identified as men, etc. They use aspects of masculinity to define themselves.

The thing with cis men is that for the longest time, masculinity has been defined through agressivity, violence, repression of emotions and domination. These are aspects that need to be removed in order to redefine masculinity.

Also, recently, men have been criticised and even mocked for various aspects of masculinity. Like the desire to be strong, liking certain things like sports or cars and trucks or action movies or horses or whatever, to dress a certain way, or just wanting to do general boy stuff.

But the one that hurts the most is how everyone is blaming everything the last bit negative on all men. Or pinning only a handful of men’s behavior on every man, ever. And basically saying that all men are inherently toxic and deserve to be eliminated. And as soon as someone speaks up and says “not all men” there always someone who’ll reply mockingly “nOt AlL mEN”, like it’s an invalid response to so much hatred and misandry.

Yes, a lot of men are toxic and patriarchy has hurt society in many ways. It also hurts men as well. But we have to differentiate between the good and the bad ones. I mean, women aren’t all angels either. And there are many other queer folk who aren’t nice and they probably have their own toxic traits. Basically everyone has their faults and some of the responsibility of the bad stuff should be shared.

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