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pineapplelover, in despite all my rage IT keeps me trapped like a rat in a cage.

Engineer in uni vs engineering job?

CptEnder, in despite all my rage IT keeps me trapped like a rat in a cage.

TBF if you’re professionally using MATLAB you’re like, sending people to space or modeling atmospheres. Which I guess some of you might do haha.

cduke23, in despite all my rage IT keeps me trapped like a rat in a cage.

Man I guess I’m spoiled. We get access to the top row except SolidWorks because we license an alternative. We use the entire MS suite too though but as a supplement. I don’t use excel hardly at all because JMP is superior in every single way, except for dashboards where we use PowerBI.

OpenStars, in #science
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Next study: overturns results of previous study, under different conditions.

Next study: reaffirms results of first study, and finds that the authors of the second study are dumbasses.

Next study: no u r, but what am I?

Fortunately, despite being done by flawed human beings, science usually manages to finds its way to Truth in the end regardless, it’s really quite astonishing how well that works.

rockyracoon, in despite all my rage IT keeps me trapped like a rat in a cage.

MATLAB being jacked but still a little off feels right to me lol.

qjkxbmwvz,

I want to love Julia so much, but it’s always something. The funky handling of scope in the REPL was the latest off-putting thing for me, but maybe I should give it a try again…

ForgotAboutDre,

If you don’t like MATLAB your probably not the correct audience. It’s for people needing to do data analysis, simulation or control and have a lot of money to pay for the libraries. The things software developers hate about it tend to be what makes it better for statistics and modelling. Math works even suggest it isn’t appropriate for making software as the sell simulink coder that turns simulink models into c++ code.

nBodyProblem,

I am 100% the target audience, have worked on multiple teams that did their 6DOF models in Matlab for GNC and orbital dynamics stuff.

I still think simulink is absolutely terrible. It makes certain things a lot easier to implement but the Git implementation is very nearly useless.

marcos,

Yep, that hole on the head is perfectly representative.

WashedOver, in despite all my rage IT keeps me trapped like a rat in a cage.
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They missed using Access incorrectly with too many users and too large of a database.

OpenStars, in despite all my rage IT keeps me trapped like a rat in a cage.
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Capitalism somehow means managers know better than you how STEM work should be done. Sigh… get used to it if you want to continue.:-| Make some FOSS on the side for fun?:-)

Truck_kun, in despite all my rage IT keeps me trapped like a rat in a cage.

I use python occasionally at work.

… Not IT approved, but well… we use an MSP, and I get to be a decision maker in the company for certain things, and just do it, because well… I can, and the company keeps me around partially for the things I do with python and sql.

I would like to say Pandas should be used for much of that excel stuff, maybe even replace it, but… Microsoft has decided to bring Python capabilities into excel, so that will likely cement them in your workflow even further:

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/excel-blog/announcing-python-in-excel-combining-the-power-of-python-and-the/ba-p/3893439

Buttermilk,
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I’ve found the selling point in not needing to open excel and click around to run the script. So often people need to do like the same three things and don’t even know how to write Python, so giving them a script to drag your file onto is a step up from excel

irish_link, in #science

Recently the headlines have actually been way more “study finds something super obvious to be true that most of society took as truth without needing a study. They just lived it in their every day life”

OpenStars,
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Study finds that toxic trolls exist on X… and that they often cause people to receive hurt feelings!

fossilesque,
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RIP_Cheems, in #science
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This seems like something huggbee would say.

driving_crooner, in despite all my rage IT keeps me trapped like a rat in a cage.
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I use mainly python at work, but usually exit to excel to share the results to other people.

MummifiedClient5000,

Openpyxl is for you.

driving_crooner,
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I use Pandas, but im sure i have that library installed for Pandas use.

JoMiran, in despite all my rage IT keeps me trapped like a rat in a cage.
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I will always appreciate a true Excel power user. I’ve seen some black magic shit.

deweydecibel, (edited )

When you know Excel really well, it’s like Legos for data. If you’ve got the imagination, intuition, and patience, you can make some incredible stuff.

NaibofTabr,

This is one of my favorites to share. It’s a 3D engine with raytracing with no VBA scripting - all of the calculations are done internally with spreadsheet math.

Followupquestion,

Good Excel users think themselves better than a beginner. Great Excel users think themselves somewhere between Intermediate and Advanced. Excel Masters, and I know one who placed in that Excel data modeling competition, know they’re somewhere in the Intermediate to Advanced range.

ForgotAboutDre,

Excel masters wish the downloaded an ide a just coded all those tools the have to support now.

jubilationtcornpone,

Used for the right purposes, Excel is an extremely versatile and powerful piece of software. Is use it all the time for analyzing complex financial data and turning pivot tables into really nice looking reports. I can use VBA behind the scenes to change report scenarios while preserving the formatting. Excel is great for things like that.

It’s easy to get Into trouble though because eventually someone decides to keep a bunch of auxiliary – yet somehow very important – data in a spreadsheet. Before you know it, multiple people are being asked to maintain said data and then POOF! You now have a spreadsheet functioning as a database. It’s all downhill from there.

Hule, in despite all my rage IT keeps me trapped like a rat in a cage.

I can see Word, PowerPoint and Outlook as stupid.

But Excel is perfect! You can’t say You have mastered it.

Even if You have written a book about Excel, it transcends You.

NaibofTabr,
deweydecibel, (edited )

As much as I despise Microsoft and 365, Excel is like the one thing I genuinely think they deserve an incredible amount of credit for. It’s one of the most invaluable, well supported tools around.

Shame you can’t just buy it.

ahornsirup,
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You can. It’s expensive, but perpetual licences for Office still exist. The Home edition is €150, the professional edition costs €580.

deweydecibel,

I mean Excel specifically, not the whole suite. I don’t need PowerPoint or a word processor, I’d rather it not be included in the price at all.

Also, they’ve made OneDrive a requirement for auto-saving on 365, not sure if that’s the case for the perpetual licenses, but if so, that’s a deal breaker for me. There will never be a Microsoft account associated with my Windows machine, period.

ForgotAboutDre,

Excel does too many things. A better price of software would do less.

deweydecibel, (edited )

I can’t tell if this is ironic or not, because it genuinely feels like Microsoft believes this when you look at the absolute disgrace “New” Outlook is.

For Microsoft, “Modern, sleek, streamlined” are just marketing terms for “We got lazy, made a less useful wed-based product, and you’ll have to accept it, at the same price, while we save money on development.”

Trainguyrom,

Outlook really has a lot of obscure features that not many people used. I think it’s good for them to cull these less used features and later re-add them rewritten in a more supportable manner.

I also really appreciate the emoji-reactions because I don’t have to type out a response expressing that I have read and acknowledge an email, I can just give it a thumbs up and move on, and they don’t receive a whole email to read, they just see that it got a thumbs up and can move on too

ForgotAboutDre,

The reduced feature set in the web app is either development hasn’t reached parity, or they want it to be just enough to compete with Google sheets but keep people using the windows app.

A better price of software would be several different tools. But Microsoft want to keep the features set and backwards compatibility and the users don’t want big changes so the messy mishmash it what results.

Excel is used as a app builder, a database, plotting tool, table formatting, dashboard, visual basic environment, simulation environment there’s probably many more uses. I think it was supposed to be a calculator and accountancy book combination.

If anyone knew excel (or spreadsheets in general) would become what they did they would design it completely differently. A database that links to different pieces of software would be much better. That can’t exist now, because the markets consumed by excel.

DrakeRichards,

I thought I knew everything about Excel, but just last week I learned that it now has TypeScript integration for macros. I nearly wept tears of joy. Finally I can leave behind VBA.

GBU_28,

Saying you mastered excel is like saying you mastered meth

stevehobbes, (edited )

Excel is, almost certainly, the single most important and influential piece of software in almost every business.

Excel can do anything, including so many things it shouldn’t.

ForgotAboutDre,

It’s turning complete, so it’s should be able to do anything. Power point is also turning complete, but not practical. Excel is practical enough to get started then moving on to something better gets hard because people depend on those excel sheets.

NaibofTabr,

Excel can do anything, including so many things it shouldn’t.

Including running a 3D graphics engine… with raytracing

TheBat,
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I once saw a post on reddit where a bored guy in his office stream movies from his home PC to Excel.

fossilesque,
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i heard you like a little database in your excel

umbrella,
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well excel IS a database

knorke3,

we have an excel spreadsheet at my workplace that takes a solid 2 minutes to open and even longer to close and accesses a number of other spreadsheets with read/write access in the background. it’s an absolute monster.

(it’s essentially a database that keeps track of the calibration dates for our testing equipment)

fossilesque,
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I am horrified and amazed

Followupquestion,

Depending on what functions you have running to make it do all the things, could you have it live on Sharepoint and just access it through Excel online? That offloads a lot of the processing to MS’s servers but does have the disadvantage of being Excel Online, which has some but not all the functions of desktop Excel and the keyboard shortcuts may or may not work. Also, Excel Online doesn’t seem to love macros, which can break things.

knorke3,

the only reason that the spreadsheet exist is because of macros (pretty sure the table has over 10.000 lines of VBA, with more in the tables it accesses) but my bosses are thankfully investigating alternatives for a migration of the functions that that table provides.
I sadly am only a trainee at the company, so i don’t get too much input beyond fixing whatever breaks with it every so often while it’s still in use, but yeah.

Confused_Emus,

“Only a trainee…”

Sounds like you’re the only one keeping that thing running. Don’t sell yourself short!

knorke3,

my boss does appreciate what i’m doing but i just don’t have a decision power that someone working in IT would have (i work in the physics/chemistry lab). thanks though, i appreciate the sentiment :)

deweydecibel, (edited )

There are numerous reports and databases we work with from other platforms, and for nearly all of them, I just end up feeding it to Excel so I can manage it the way I like. So many of those platforms just have absolute dog shit UIs or refuse to present data in a configurable way, or straight up hide certain things for no reason.

Part of my Monday morning routine is actually exporting a CSV for a couple things that can’t be connected directly to excel, hitting Get Data, and letting my custom workbooks do their thing. Watching it all update and present itself in exactly the way I want to see it is so god damn satisfying.

knorke3,

there are definitely reasons to use excel but in my case there is a defined and expected workflow and using excel just makes it unnecessarily slow and error-prone. at this point, the worksheet breaks at least once every 3 months and i’m the one who gets to fix it because i read myself into the worksheet’s script and the guy who originally created it doesn’t work for us anymore.

the code is (thankfully) well enough commented that additional documentation is not necessary to understand it, so reading yourself into it is thankfully easy enough as long as you know VBA.

1371113,

Until it has an odbc connection to a sql server or access db it’s still low level wizardry.

knorke3,

you can access sql from excel? i am now officially horrified.

runner_g,

Next time you open excel go to the data tab and look at all the things it can do.

It really shouldn’t do those things, but it can.

1371113,

You can issue queries, import and transform the data on demand.

blackbirdbiryani,

I really like Google sheets, QUERY() is so useful.

calmnchaos, in despite all my rage IT keeps me trapped like a rat in a cage.

You didn’t use any office apps during your time in school?

fossilesque,
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I use markdown and convert it to everything else. Using 360 products is painful, but I do what I have to only when I have to.

frauddogg,
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For English essays. That’s about the size of that.

Railing5132,

Yeah, these are two completely different toolsets. Dude ever write a paper or send an email?

Wermhatswormhat, in despite all my rage IT keeps me trapped like a rat in a cage.

Maybe you need a career shift bud. As a designer you could absolutely use those softwares!

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