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uphillbothways, (edited ) to memes in don't know, don't care
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As concerned as most christians seem to be with punishment of those doing some imagined wrong or another, wouldn't that sort of mean they're following in their supposed satan's ways and tenets.

praise_idleness, to memes in don't know, don't care

I don’t think punishing bad guys makes you a good guy.

tdawg,

you’re missing the point. There are a slew of contradictions in christian dogma that don’t make any sense at all. People who “punish” people are typically the good guys in stories. Take a sheriff in a western for instance. They chase the robber and throw them in jail as a form of punishment. The meme is just showcasing an example of how religion faulters under critical examination

EherVielleicht,

A whise DreamButt…

radioactiveradio,

And that’s why they don’t want you to think. Because if you think, it all crumbles away.

soumerd_retardataire,

They merely said that being separated from God means suffering, while following H…er.im means walking towards the establishment of H…er.is Kingdom/City unto Earth. They talked more about Hell as a state than as a physical place, but, well… who cares nowadays, right ? Parabola never taught us anything about the real world, the spirit doesn’t exist, and morals are relative, they were simply naive ignorants who never had anything to teach us, embrace modernity and reject 100% of the past.

tdawg,

I like how you skipped over the part where it’s been a core component of oppression and suffering

soumerd_retardataire,

I don’t entirely agree with my comment either, because there’s multiple interpretation of Hell.
One of them is interesting, it says that if our consciousness survives after our death, our mind will finally think clearly, we’ll remember our past better than if it happened today, and we’ll be overwhelmed by shame, this hell would be created by ourselves.
Another one would talk about a real place, but not in the afterlife but right here, on Earth(, it combines perfectly with this talk of afterlife if you believe in reincarnation), and says that if we all live our lives ‘searching for’/‘aiming at’ God, then our descendants/reincarnations will live in Paradise(, or in Hell if we don’t).
There’re other interpretations, as well as the thought that we’re not free since we’re determined, so God decided before our birth whether we would end up in Hell or in Paradise, a thought discussed in the Middle-Ages and rejected in favor of free-will(, i don’t think Spinoza would disagree with the conclusion that God predestined us for Hell, if he believed in Hell).
Obviously, the most common explanation is that police(wo)men didn’t existed back then, God-fearing people was the equivalent of virtuous people, even when nobody can see/stop them.

MyPornViewingAccount, to memes in don't know, don't care

If we’re being truthful, Satan is supposed to be punished in hell too, its only modern works that portray him as the one ‘ruling’ and dishing it out to people in hell.

ArbitraryValue,

Paradise Lost is from 1667.

QuantumSparkles,

Well that concept isn’t in the Bible and even if it were then 1667 would still be somewhat “contemporary” compared to when the Christian scriptures were supposedly written. Of course I say all that as if any of it is real or matters anyway lol

praise_idleness,

Thank you for the input, /u/MyPornViewingAccount.

MyPornViewingAccount,

Lmao youre welcome. Its what i get for not swapping

EherVielleicht,

MyPornViewingAccount@lemmy.world

seitanic,
@seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

If we’re really being truthful, none of that stuff’s in the Bible.

tpihkal,

What is “none of that stuff”? Both Satan and Hell are in the Bible.

Lightor,

They mention it a lot, but never say what it is beyond it having fire that never goes out, some passage in Matthew.

Christians have just ran away with some ideas, just like with pro-life, just like with the devil, just like with most of the religion. You decide what you want to believe and twist the Bible to back it up.

tpihkal,

Not sure why I’m being down voted. You’ve reaffirmed my statement.

Lightor,

Well when someone says something like Hell, a huge fixture of the religion, is in their holy book they just expect more than a sentence or two.

Ghoti_,

Almost the entirety of hell was made up by Dante Alegeri

SzethFriendOfNimi,
@SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world avatar

You can find it here. Along with a scathing rebuke to those who wear the name Christian and yet are so full of hate they refuse to do any of these things.

Matthew 25:41-46 (NKJV)

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’ 44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

seitanic,
@seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Well, that’s embarrassing. I thought for sure that was one of those things that was created from extra-biblical sources.

This really makes me wonder about those Christians who claim that it’s faith, not works, that gets you into Heaven. This seems like a strong argument for the opposite.

rustyricotta,

Indeed. To quote more of the bible:

James 2:26 (kjv) “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”

cujo,
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The argument is that it’s faith that gets you into heaven, but the proof of true faith is found in works. If you claim to be faithful but do not do good works, your faith is dead.

Somerefriedbeans,

Well unfortunately the majority of Christians believe that simply believing in Jesus grants them access. Who needs morals when you can just ask for forgiveness every time you do bad thing 🤷

flamingo_pinyata,

Biblical Satan is a role, not a person. I’ve seen it translated as “opponent” or “rival”. Something like a “devil’s advocate” in catholic church - person or entity who tests somebody’s faith.

And Lucifer is again a completely different character, not related to Satan until much later.

MonkderZweite,

Why does faith need to be tested?

flamingo_pinyata,

Christians seem to love the concept. The idea is if you keep believing if seriously challenged, it means you are a true believer.

MonkderZweite,

The height of stupidity and evil.

XEAL,

“opponent” or “rival”

Aaand that’s the interpretation The Church of Satan takes. They’re atheists and don’t believe in Satan as an entity.

Pat_Riot,
@Pat_Riot@lemmy.today avatar

You’re thinking of The Satanic Temple. CoS is a theistic organization started by Anton Lavey. They worship a literal Satan.

synae,
@synae@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

www.churchofsatan.com/faq-fundamental-beliefs/

Why do Satanists worship The Devil?

We don’t. Satanists are atheists.

captainlezbian,

The devils advocate in Catholicism is something very specific and not at all that. In order for someone to be determined a Saint there’s more or less a trial. One side presents arguments that say the individual has met the criteria by which one can be determined a Saint. The other side, which is called the devils advocate, attempts to poke holes in it and presents arguments by which the individual hasn’t met those conditions. They’ll do things like bring up sins and character flaws that persisted into the individual’s saintly period, as well as attempt to disprove any miracles the individual is said to have committed.

MuffinHeeler,

Is that the origin of devils advocate?

That is super interesting if so

orphiebaby,

Not a bad take, clearly can be read that way in the English. But I don’t read Greek, so I can’t tell you one way or the other.

Johanno,

I didn’t read the Bible fully but as far as I know there are only very few mentions of satan/devil and stuff.

666 the number of the beast.

A story about a guys faith and a bet between god and the devil.

The fall of lucifer the angle (not linked to either above)

And maybe the devil is mentioned in a few more sentences but not more.

superduperenigma,

Actually, Satan is always described as being on earth. In Genesis, Lucifer is cast down to earth, not hell. In Job Satan tells God he’s passing by during his comings and goings on earth. In the Gospels, Satan tempts Jesus in the desert.

JohnDClay,

Revelation 19 says the beast (maybe satan?) will be thrown into the lake of fire, and Rev 20 says the same for Satan.

superduperenigma,

Sounds like they’re not in the lake of fire then, considering nothing in revelations has come to pass.

JohnDClay,

Just not always described as on earth.

Fades,

Hell is not biblical

Lifebandit666, (edited )

If you listen to the Yazidis he was sent to Hell for defying God by not bowing down to us humans, his greatest work, despite God telling Satan to never bow to anyone because he was made of God’s essence rather than us, made in his likeness.

So he went to Hell for 10 000 years until his tears put out the fires of Hell, then God forgave him. He also rewarded him for honoring his original pact with God and was given Dominion over Earth.

He took this Dominion and gave us Humans “Knowledge” like the Serpent in the Garden of Eden, only the Knowledge was of Farming.

Thing is, the Yazidis live awefully close to what is thought to be the birthplace of Farming.

When asked to describe Satan, they described him as a Peacock holding a sheaf of Wheat in it’s beak, the same image found in Gobekli Tepe, which is thought to be a shrine that taught Farming to the world.

Hail Satan.

Edit: this is just my understanding after reading an article or 2 on the subject, I’m probably wrong about loads of it, but it’s all just stories anyway so who cares?

Daqu,

That’s super interesting, thanks!

superduperenigma, to memes in don't know, don't care

Floods, famine, plagues, etc are all God’s work. Sex, drugs, and rock & roll are Satan’s work. I know which one I’m going with.

EherVielleicht,
anolemmi,
@anolemmi@lemmi.social avatar

I always really liked South Park’s Satan when he explains addiction to Stan.

youtu.be/wAEfeNLKwd0?si=b-kEeU2WiYEVoOfg

cm0002,

We’ve only ever heard the story from one side, Satan is probably actually super chill and just wants to party

Gorvin,

In the words of Jim Jeffries “If you disobeyed gods rules, why would Satan punish you? If anything, you’re one of his boys”.

Since the bible was written by god’s people, it’s way too biased when saying God is good and the Devil is bad.

Show me Lucifer’s side of the story and I bet he’s the more reasonable person.

keefshape, to memes in oh come on, do it

Rimworld for me.

PhictionalOne, to memes in well, it makes boom.

I mean the reason nuclear weapons are measured in megatonnes and so on is that it is actually megatonnes of TNT. And hence Its predecessor Dynamite.

So… we couldn’t relate destructiveness without good ol’ Alfred.

too_high_for_this,

TNT has nothing to do with dynamite or Nobel. It was discovered years before dynamite was invented, however it wasn’t used as an explosive at first. And dynamite is just a mostly stable preparation of nitroglycerin. Nobel didn’t discover any new explosive compounds, he literally just mixed stuff with nitro.

newIdentity, to memes in well, it makes boom.

Dynamite is a pretty cool invention though

too_high_for_this,

Meh. It was a decent way to make nitroglycerin less unstable, but there are so many better, safer explosives. TNT, for example, is stable enough to be melted down and cast into shells. C4 burns like a candle and won’t detonate without a blasting cap.

Dynamite tends to “sweat” nitroglycerin over time, and then the slightest amount of heat, friction, or impact can cause it to detonate.

Wage_slave,
@Wage_slave@lemmy.ml avatar

Dynamite Sweat

Pardon me, there’s a metal band I need to get started. Gonna blow some fuckin’ minds!

too_high_for_this,

Nah, that’s obviously a folk-punk band with an industrial revolution concept album

HikingVet,

Still in wide use.

too_high_for_this,

Not really. It is still used, but the vast majority of blasting is done with ANFO now. Much safer and much cheaper.

Risk,

Rock goes boom.

Holzkohlen, to memes in switch.....

But I don’t like pure black. I prefer various shades of gray if you will.

Scraft161, to memes in switch.....
@Scraft161@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

Only consistent dark theme so I use it on all the mobile apps, I’d much rather have some way of defining a custom theme for apps to follow like you can do with GTK and Qt on Linux.

tammie,
@tammie@lemmy.world avatar

Material You

Scraft161,
@Scraft161@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

Except all but 3 apps are built on top of things that don’t support it.

Maybe in the future; but I don’t have too much hope right now.

terminhell, to memes in oh come on, do it

Wait, your actually playing the game? I thought adding mods and sorting load order is the game.

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

“It finally works!”

Never plays it again

i_stole_ur_taco,

Omg I thought this was just me.

Spend an hour on nexusmods and fooling around with installing them, then call it a night.

It’s the gaming equivalent of spending the night scrolling Netflix and never watching anything.

terminhell,

I’ve not played a Bethesda game in a few months (BG3 now, and about to check out phantom liberty after finishing my current replay of bg3). But I’ve gotten a really solid ‘base’ of Skyrim mods. From there I’ll usually just add or remove a few depending on what my vision is for the next replay XD. Took years, and is generally very stable.

i_am_tired_boss, to memes in oh come on, do it

I really am.

EherVielleicht,

Without a doubt.

Dylan, to memes in oh come on, do it

My wife got into Fallout 4 again recently and this is definitely her PC lately.

Ozzy, to memes in oh come on, do it

me and my 1.2k mods Skyrim

pete_the_cat,

I was gonna say “600? Those are rookie numbers! I have 1400+ in Skyrim”

Ozzy,

My man 🤝

TheNakedFoot, to memes in oh come on, do it

It’s BeamNG for me

JokeDeity,

I wondered why people played that game so much when it seemed like a lot of nothing to me when I played it, never even thought to look for mods.

variants,

I mean I havent tried mods yet and im at like 200 hours on it at this point but now Im on to starfield

TheNakedFoot,

You gotta come up with your own stuff to do. Or, their Career mode is very fun (still in early development) and there’s lots to be found on BeamMP

BlinkerFluid,
@BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one avatar

It’s one of those games that basically… is mods. Want a car? Someone’s modeled it and put it into the game. Wait to use a wheel and shifters? Go for it. Want to crawl a mountain in a V8 behemoth with giant tires? Go for it. Want to send an 18-wheeler into a stack of buses at the end of a jump ramp? Go for it.

Samsy, to memes in switch.....

Why not the darkest-pureblack?

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