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doublejay1999, to memes in Hey OpenAI
@doublejay1999@lemmy.world avatar

Your skills are irreplaceable, and your body is expendable . Work harder !

Nalivai, to linuxmemes in They caught us

I really don’t like how “consumer-friendly” means “GUI that resembles Windows” in the minds of so many people.

KingThrillgore,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

Windows wasn’t first, Xerox was

Nalivai,

But no person on the planet, except the nerdiest of pedants, are thinking of Xerox when they see Windows interface. They think of Windows, even if it’s KDE

digger,
@digger@lemmy.ca avatar

Xerox did so much for modern computing. If only people knew.

ChickenLadyLovesLife,

The company was run by morons so “Xerox” deserves being synonymous with “company run by morons”. But the actual Xerox employees who invented the basic GUI deserve credit for being the great inventors they were. Unfortunately I have no fucking idea who those actual people were.

digger,
@digger@lemmy.ca avatar

Take a look at this post. It covers some names and stories about contributions that make modern interfaces what they are today.

ChickenLadyLovesLife,

Very cool, thanks.

cetvrti_magi,
@cetvrti_magi@lemmy.world avatar

For me Windows GUI is definition of not user friendly GUI.

Trollception,

Okay and what’s your definition of user friendly.

cetvrti_magi,
@cetvrti_magi@lemmy.world avatar

Anything that doesn’t make me feel like I have to fight with the GUI.

KeenFlame,

Yeah wow why don’t people like stuff like the compaq book and shit, it was damn impressive!

nfsu2,
@nfsu2@feddit.cl avatar

I tried Plasma, it was for only half an hour…

monkeyman512,

Gotta meet the customer where they are, not where you would like them to be. Most people don’t want to learn a new thing.

RickyRigatoni,
@RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar

You gotta meet the customer halfway until you get enough of them hooked, then slowly start introducing new ideas into their mental ecosystems that align with your vision.

01189998819991197253,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

Then add adverts into that ecosystem and center their program menu. Ooh! Then change their right menus! They’d love that! Or, maybe they won’t, but whatever.

palordrolap,

Well, it definitely works when shifting people politically.

Coming soon: Mockrosoft Overton Windows™

monsterpiece42,

I like the terminal but don’t remember all the arguments. I find that clunky. That’s my main issue with it. (I’m open to suggestions if anyone has any)

zalgotext,

Lots of terminal commands come with tab-completion out of the box (start typing a command, hit tab to autocomplete, hit tab twice to bring up a list of available options), or have tab completion scripts you can install after the fact.

Lacking tab completion, any worthwhile terminal commands will at least support a -h/–help flag that will print out a help menu summarizing the different options, or you can open up the man pages to see even more detailed documentation with man [whatever terminal command]. If the terminal command doesn’t have either of those, I’d recommend against using it.

Nalivai, (edited )

I highly recommend zsh. It takes a moment to setup initially, but you can use oh-my-zsh to just skip that part and use one of the many, many presets, and it supports plugins, of which there are many. It gives you tab support for so many popular commands, you will never need to remember them, and it has a lot of small improvements that makes your terminal life a breath. For example, if you do cd tab in bash, it will give you a list of subdirrectories. If you do the same in zsh, it will give you that list and a cursor that you can use to navigate said list, so instead of typing the dir, you can do cd tab tab tab enter

Based_and_Cool,

For someone that doesn’t like the cli, I’d recommend fish instead of that as it just works with no setup.

Nalivai, (edited )

I have very little experience with fish, but by my first experience zsh was way better at handling wildcard matching, and for me it’s half of the stuff I do. You are trying to open a file and all you remember is that it has some substring in the name probably, you just type some of it, double tab, and you have all the files that match. At the time I was trying it, fish couldn’t do it.

platypus_plumba,

I was just forced to Switch to Mac and let me tell you that I’m actually enjoying it.

Things I like so far:

  • An actual modern email client that isn’t web based. Web mail clients feel so cumbersome.
  • Same thing for a calendar application.
  • Nice reminders app out of the box. Can schedule alarms on reminders and categorize them.
  • Nice notes app that I don’t need to constantly save. It never closes, which feels great compared to Gedit.
  • Security. Apps notify me when they want to access system resources and I have to authorize them.
  • Unix. Unix matters a lot.
  • Homebrew has incredible support. I can install almost anything with it.
  • Iterm2 feels almost like Terminator.

Things I hate:

  • The fact that they have another keyboard layout. Although, after 3 days I’m getting used.
  • Updates take forever, it’s insane.
  • Can’t easily switch back and forth (not cycle) between windows of same apps. Haven’t figured this one out.
  • Docker runs in a VM, it sucks.
  • Can’t get used to multiple desktops. I hate them.

Honestly, it isn’t as bad as Windows. As long as I have a terminal and a nice shell, I’m good.

Octopus1348,

I use macOS as my daily driver, though still use Linux sometimes. When I dual-booted macOS with Linux, I immediately fell in love. I don’t have a Mac, but my next computer will be a MacBook. Of course there are things I don’t like, but I will not write it down right now, maybe edit this comment later. I love the virtual desktops tough, I always press the green button on Safari to maximize, and put it on a new desktop, so I can easily switch with a 4-finger swipe, and I don’t have to overlay another window or Safari when I am switching apps.

chaotic_disorganizer, to memes in Hey OpenAI

inb4 construction Robots

Lucidlethargy,

They can 3d print houses now… And it’s only going to get better.

KSPAtlas,
@KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz avatar

Factorio

UrPartnerInCrime,
@UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works avatar
atomkarinca,

he chatgpt, finish this construction robot.

MxM111,
@MxM111@kbin.social avatar

Reply from GPT4:
Certainly, to give you a comprehensive response, I need a bit more context. Are you looking for a conceptual design, a story completion, a technical specification, or something else related to a "construction robot"? Please provide additional details so I can tailor the response to your needs.

Ragdoll_X, (edited )
@Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world avatar

Honestly we’ll probably get there eventually. There are already AIs capable of making video game footage look realistic, and we can simulate physics in game engines with some degree of accuracy.

There will likely come a point when researchers are able to simulate the physics and graphics accurately enough that they’ll be able to train AIs in these simulations and have them work in real life.

Lord_ToRA, to memes in World attention
@Lord_ToRA@lemmy.world avatar

Ucraine, right next to Muldova and Polind.

Varyk, (edited ) to memes in World attention

Ukraine is in no way being forgotten, they were just sent another 200 billion after the Gaza war started.

That said, can someone ELI5 the skeleton conflict?

kamenlady,
@kamenlady@lemmy.world avatar
Ledivin,

This may surprise you, but there are multiple things happening in this picture

tdawg,

Anyone else find it hilarious that wiki uses the word “Belligerents” to label the list of warring nations?

BirdyBoogleBop,

Is that not what “Belligerent” means?

tdawg,

Calling someone belligerent is general done as an insult. So yes in typical Wiki fashion they are technically using the word correctly. But if read with connotation then it reads more like “here’s the list of assholes.”

aBundleOfFerrets,

That is what the word is for. It is an insult because you are calling someone confrontational

BirdyBoogleBop,

Okay I don’t agree because well. Beligerants basically means aggressive person/nation/etc. But if we don’t use beligerant what would you use instead?

tdawg,

I think you misunderstand. I’m not saying the usage is wrong. I’m saying if you read the page in the same way people casually speak then it’s funny

Muehe,

I think you misunderstand. The way Wikipedia uses the word is the original usage, so only funny if you don’t know about it. Applying it to bar fights and such is the tongue-in-cheek usage.

From Latin belligerans (“waging war”), present active participle of belligerō (“I wage war”), from belliger (“waging war, warlike”), from bellum (“war”) + -ger (from gerō (“I lead, wage, carry on”)).

tdawg,

I’m not saying the usage is wrong.

But thank you for googling something I already looked up before posting my original comment. I genuinely don’t understand why people on this platform think they have authority on how language can be used and interpreted. It’s exhausting

Muehe,

Well sorry. No offence intended.

CoggyMcFee,

Well I found your observation amusing

Satelllliiiiiiiteeee,
@Satelllliiiiiiiteeee@kbin.social avatar

Not every conflict is between nations and the infobox has to work across different conflicts. Belligerents is probably the best option to label the sides of a conflict

RedditWanderer,

The Nagorno-Karabakh conflict[f] is an ethnic and territorial conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan over the disputed region of Nagorno-Karabakh, inhabited mostly by ethnic Armenians until 2023, and seven surrounding districts, inhabited mostly by Azerbaijanis until their expulsion during the 1990s. The Nagorno-Karabakh region has been entirely claimed by and partially controlled by the breakaway Republic of Artsakh, but is recognized internationally as part of Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan gradually re-established control over Nagorno-Karabakh region and the seven surrounding districts since 2020.

kamenlady,
@kamenlady@lemmy.world avatar

2021–present

Twelve Azerbaijani civilians and two soldiers were killed in 2021, by landmine explosions. Seventeen Armenian and ten Azerbaijani soldiers were also killed in shoot-outs in the border area, while 38 Armenian soldiers were captured. Twenty-eight of the captured Armenian soldiers were subsequently released.

In 2022, three Armenian soldiers were killed and 14 wounded in an attack by Azerbaijani drones in Nagorno-Karabakh on 25 March.

The fatalities of the current war, is how i imagined wars when i was younger. Soldiers in combat with other soldiers. Civilian casualties “only” through landmines.

No raiding, raping, torturing & murdering of civilians as a sport of some sort

EmergMemeHologram, to linuxmemes in They caught us

The only GUI library you need is ncurses.

There’s no escape from ANSII escape characters!

Blapoo, to memes in Hey OpenAI

I take it you haven’t seen the recent advancements in both robotics and LLM powered agents

XEAL,

LLM haters in 3… 2…

asbestos,
@asbestos@lemmy.world avatar

I didn’t, mind providing links?

Blapoo,

Yep. AutoGen + MemGPT (+Locally hosted models) youtu.be/VJ6bK81meu8?si=mGnvMTJsLn_vMvRb

Basically, a small company of self-refining LLM prompts that output meaningful results + a robust memory management for more long-term back and forths. Instead of “one input, one output. Next”

Another example: youtu.be/5Zj_zstLLP4?si=nHu4vHwidRmvuViY

I can share more examples and papers if desired.

On the robotics front, the focus is still on training custom models for given actions. Which is having some success: youtu.be/Jy3zjXK4ao4?si=yFdqnl8z9Z8Becsc

youtu.be/WlIYa3lH5UI?si=FQSZAm44h3FuuCoR

I’m convinced these “hivemind agents” will pass custom model training soon

asbestos,
@asbestos@lemmy.world avatar

Wow! I honestly can’t keep up with this stuff anymore… It’s insane how fast it’s advancing.

Blapoo,

I do it for a living and have given up being up to date on all the new shit going on. Billboard gets the W for now. LLMs cannot build houses in isolation.

What everyone is missing is that they don’t have to. The right LLM with the right question can output a meaningful “decision” or “judgment call”. That’s all you need. Ask the right series of questions. We’ll call it “thinking”. I really believe that well is pretty deep. Will it be the first version of “AI”? Maybe. Maybe not. But it’s gonna be a big milestone that is going to soon fuck up everything.

I can’t wait :)

TimeSquirrel, (edited )
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar

I'll be convinced they can fully replace most trade work when they figure out fine motor control and finally build servo or hydraulic systems that don't act all janky and with slop a mile wide. When they can strip a wire, and then terminate it into a screw terminal, and then install an outlet in the wall. All with one robot, using each tool as needed as finely tuned as a human would do it. And also being able to adapt to different situations on the spot. For instance "shit, the hole for the outlet overlaps a stud, wtf do I do to fix this" type stuff.

From what I've seen even from the best like Boston Dynamics, there are still many decades to go before we have fully capable robotic trade workers.

photonic_sorcerer,
@photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Many decades? Try five years.

evranch,

Big lol. Doing unattended trades work is practically the definition of general AI, something we don’t see happening any time soon.

Build prefab RTMs in a factory? Today, if the desire was there. Design the house around the line and build it like a car.

Run a new circuit from the basement to an upstairs bedroom, in an old house with weird idiosyncrasies? Not in our lifetimes. The combination of mapping, movement, intuition and the fact that something is guaranteed to go wrong and likely require rethinking the whole job makes this a very hard problem™.

Believe me if someone can invent a robot that can navigate a lumpy, rat infested crawlspace and install pipe/wires/insulation the apprentices of the world will be eternally grateful

rwhitisissle,

If Tesla has given up on fully self driving cars, wherein driving is a much simpler mechanical activity to replicating the full breadth of human construction tasks, then I don’t see how people are expecting tradecraft to get replaced by Mr. Fixitron anytime soon.

Vampiric_Luma,
@Vampiric_Luma@lemmy.ca avatar

I’m interested!!! I’m SUPER interested!!!

Ringmasterincestuous,

If it’s LLM and robotics it better get used to having dick in it

asbestos,
@asbestos@lemmy.world avatar

holy fuck thanks for the laugh

plinky,
@plinky@hexbear.net avatar

They’ve learned to asnwer to emails?

AngrilyEatingMuffins,

They’ve been able to do that for a while. They got GPT to hire someone to break CAPTCHAs for it.

BelieveRevolt,

Bazinga so-true

UlyssesT,

Nerd rapture into the loving arms of the godlike but submissive holo waifu and ultimate comeuppance for the unwashed rabble is always, always just around the corner. Just you wait. wojak-nooo

AnUnusualRelic, to linuxmemes in They caught us
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

The purpose of Unix was to be user friendly. And it is. You haven’t seen what it replaced.

Also friendliness doesn’t require a Fisher Price interface.

ILikeBoobies,

You should amend

You haven’t seen what it replaced

With

You aren’t used to it

AnUnusualRelic,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

Unix was meant to be much friendlier than the mainframe systems that wer prevalent at the time and which wer horrible to use without a lot of training (or even with it). By contrast, Unix commands were simple, self documenting. Anyone could use it.

ILikeBoobies,

I’m aware but it’s not unfriendly today

People are just used to DOS

AnUnusualRelic, (edited )
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

Well, today it’s arguably more advanced, interface wise, than the other systems since they keep copying stuff from the X11 front ends.

All the current GUIs are basically the same Once you’ve seen a couple WIMP interfaces, you’ve seen them all.

TiredInsomniac,

Let me say that I really like “Fisher Price interface”

InternetCitizen2,

Its called xp

01189998819991197253,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

This genuinely made me laugh hahaha

BlueSquid0741,

When I first saw XP was when I stopped using windows. So bad.

M500, to memes in Hey OpenAI

Just wait until someone connect chatgpt to one of those gigantic 3d printers that print buildings.

Are we really that far from having “AI” do this?

Acters,

Still need someone to build it for the computer. What would really help the “AI” is to have something that can handle the creation of different interfaces and modules. Then, it would need to solve or mitigate the maintenance conundrum of repairing itself when it breaks.

TheBlue22,

Shit tears itself down in 2 weeks

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You can’t 3D print laying all the pipe and the electric cabling and adding fixtures and insulation and all sorts of other things homes need.

You can 3D print the basic structure. That’s it. You’re saving on bricklaying or carpentry.

ghost_of_faso2,
@ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml avatar
UrPartnerInCrime,
@UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works avatar

We have robots that work in warehouses moving stuff precisely all the time. Placing pipes should be no problem.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, moving things in a warehouse is exactly the same as laying plumbing and AC ductwork. There’s literally no difference in terms of complications.

greenmarty, (edited )

Well at one point i lead bunch of those “workers” on real project and oh boy, in some cases, i would much rather have robots do it.

UrPartnerInCrime,
@UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yes cause technology never gets better than it’s first iteration. There’s literally no progress ever. One and done

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

How soon do you think it will be before technology reaches the point that we can build completely functional houses with just robots? Give me a timeframe.

UrPartnerInCrime,
@UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works avatar

Do you want tonights winning lotto numbers also? How about which team will win the super bowl this year?

Nobody can tell exact time frames. But the future is happenening old man

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

So robots will totally take over house building and humans will have nothing to do with it at some indefinite point in the future and that’s why people right now should be worried about their jobs. I see.

saruwatarikooji,

Yes, we should be worried about it now.

It will happen and it will be much better if we can figure out how to handle the masses of unemployed before it is a problem.

This attitude of kicking the can down the road is exactly how things turn catastrophic.

UrPartnerInCrime,
@UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works avatar

I believe most jobs will be fully automated

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

When? Why should that make people worried about their jobs now?

UrPartnerInCrime,
@UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works avatar

In the future. And I literally never said people should be worrying about you, you’re putting words in my mouth bro

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That’s what this thread is about.

UrPartnerInCrime,
@UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works avatar

All I said is that we could have the possibility soon to have robots that place pipes. You’re making this into a bigger thing

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That’s not what this thread is about.

UrPartnerInCrime,
@UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works avatar

Literally it is but ok

IndefiniteBen,

You’re right that robots aren’t going to be able to replace plumbers or electricians in traditional building projects.

But why can’t we change how new buildings are built so the method better suits robots. I’m sure with current technology we could design a building that could be built entirely by robots.

I don’t think it’ll happen because it will take a lot of time and money to develop such a holistic system, with no return on profit until it’s a complete system.

ImpossibilityBox,

And the second that it is economically viable the companies will be dumping their bricklayers/carpenters down the drain and replacing them with computer controlled construction methods.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

When will it be economically viable to dump all the people who have to set up the equipment and all of the people who have to do everything but make the basic structure? Is this ‘house set up and entirely built by robots down to the light fixtures with no human intervention’ a near future proposition?

UrPartnerInCrime,
@UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works avatar

Damn, you really are stuck in the past, aren’t ya

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I’m stuck in the past because that’s not an economically viable thing to do within the foreseeable future?

Would I be stuck in the past because I said I don’t think people are going to be commuting by personal jetpack any time soon?

UrPartnerInCrime,
@UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yup

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Sorry… you honestly think people will commute by personal jetpack one day?

UrPartnerInCrime,
@UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works avatar

Why can’t they?

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Because it’s a stupid fucking idea.

Are you under the bizarre impression that every prediction about the future will come true at some point?

UrPartnerInCrime,
@UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works avatar

Are you under the bizzar impression that the world is going to stay the same as it is now?

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That’s not an answer.

UrPartnerInCrime,
@UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works avatar

Literally anything I put is an answer to you

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Nope. I asked you if literally any prediction about the future will come true. Please answer the question.

UrPartnerInCrime,
@UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works avatar

March 18, 2028

Happy?

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Nope. That still doesn’t answer my question. Yet again: Will literally every prediction about the future come true?

UrPartnerInCrime,
@UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works avatar

Will infinite monkeys eventually write all of Shakespeare?

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Very suspicious that you refuse to answer a yes or no question. I’m starting to think I should report you for trolling.

UrPartnerInCrime,
@UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works avatar

Report me all you want dummy. I literally answered “yup” long ago and you’re still digging like you’re going to accomplish something.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Ah, I guess I missed your answer. If every prediction about the future is true, it includes all the predictions that humanity will be wiped out relatively soon, meaning that house building will never be fully automated and no one will commute by personal jetpack. But also all housing will be automated and people will commute by personal jetpack.

At the same time.

I can’t wait to see how you resolve civilization simultaneously collapsing and advancing.

UrPartnerInCrime,
@UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works avatar

Now you’re getting it

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

No, I’m really not getting it. I don’t get how two completely opposite things can simultaneously happen. That sounds literally impossible to me.

UrPartnerInCrime,
@UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works avatar

Schrodinger would like a word with you

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You really shouldn’t talk about things you don’t understand. First of all, that wouldn’t literally happen to a cat. Secondly, that’s not what a quantum superposition is.

UrPartnerInCrime,
@UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works avatar

I was a porr attempt at a joke. You’re allowed to laugh a little dude. I don’t know what will happen in the future. Nobody does. I choose to belive in a world heading towards Star Trek over Mad Max. We have bad ‘jetpacks’ now. Why is it so hard to think they’ll upgrade to the point where they will be more accessible in the future. A la what happened the buggies and cars. They would be self driving I presume to.keep everyone more safe cause trusting the average person to fly is a bit much, but idk maybe.

We may also start ww3 at any point. Still don’t know the future. I guess for my own sanity I try not to think that way. But like, if you really want to get into thus we have to bring up a lot more subjects, mainly UBI. But, regardless, most jobs being automated, including construction, so everyone gets to be happier is a world I want to live in.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

So now you’ve gone from 'house will definitely construction will definitely be entirely automated" to “I don’t know what will happen.”

Fascinating.

As far as jetpacks- people don’t want to fall to their deaths if they run out of fuel or have engine trouble on the way to work in the morning. I would have thought that would have been obvious.

UrPartnerInCrime,
@UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works avatar

I 100% believe it will be, I was trying to relate to you asshole

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You have a strange way of relating to people- arguing with them, refusing to answer their questions, making trolling comments, insulting… not to mention never asking the person you’re trying to relate to any questions about themselves.

Is this how you claim to relate to others?

UrPartnerInCrime,
@UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works avatar

How’s your day been?

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Sorry, after you’ve insulted me, especially since you didn’t apologize for it, I’m not particularly interested in telling you about my day. It’s strange, but I’m just not inclined to have a friendly discussion with someone who just called me an asshole.

UrPartnerInCrime,
@UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works avatar

Ok

jasondj, (edited )

When was it economically viable to replace hand-sewn lumber with lumber mills?

Then they went and made portable electric saws. What a world!

And then electric drills! And laser levels!

Remember paper ledgers and abacuses? Ever hear of Microsoft Excel?

We keep making tools that always increase productivity and reduce time and cost. It’s Constant incremental progress, and on a large scale it’s great because it frees up (human) resources to focus on new industry and technology, which furthers the CIP. On the micro scale, there may be a small number of temporarily displaced workers as jobs shuffle around and workers re-skill.

But at this particular intersection of technology, we are at a pretty bad spot. We are on the verge of massive progress in multiple industries, and wealth has concentrated in the elite classes. “Temporarily displaced workers” won’t have the capital to re-skill or invest their own resources into new industry. This is bad.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

When was it economically viable to replace hand-sewn lumber with lumber mills?

When they did it. Because they could process a huge amount more lumber. I’m not sure I understand.

Marin_Rider,

what they are saying is that in the past, technological leaps meant increases in productivity and generally freed the displaced workers into new careers, but this time the sheer scale of change that is imminent doesn’t leave time for that. it’s going to be bad

sleepy555,

Yeah, like how blacksmiths can’t find any work these days anymore. It’s heartbreaking.

mycatiskai,

There are artisan blacksmiths that probably make bank doing custom jobs like blades and ironwork gates and other such artistry.

AngrilyEatingMuffins,

You can. They’ve already built prototypes that fit on the back of a semi

SomeAmateur, (edited )

Not so much of the physical building, but I bet the designing isn’t too big of a stretch. Think something like procedural generation to make 2/3 of a floor plan and have humans make sure it makes sense and add details.

Sanctus, to memes in Hey OpenAI
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Lmao they are 3D printing houses right now. We’re all jobless in the future, bud. Thats a good thing.

Strykker,

Have you seen a 3D printed house? They look like shit with their lumpy walls, and you still have to run all the plumbing power, and ventilation.

Nurse_Robot,

Yeah, technology will never continue to develop!

Dangdoggo,
@Dangdoggo@kbin.social avatar

Nobody is saying that but reading a headline that says "Construction company prints some walls!" and then saying "welp that's it they're out here just 3D printing whole ass buildings" is pretty uh... Dumb.

Nurse_Robot,

And the picture says “your skills are irreplaceable.” If you truly believe that basic construction is irreplaceable then I have bad news for you.

HauntedCupcake, (edited )

The point is that literally right now houses are not being 3D printed to a good enough standard that we would even think about replacing workers.

It is also true that technological progress will change that sooner or later.

I don’t think there’s a disagreement here

Dangdoggo,
@Dangdoggo@kbin.social avatar

I have bad news for you because it seems obvious you have never done basic construction: You're not replacing builders with computers any time soon.

Dangdoggo,
@Dangdoggo@kbin.social avatar

No they aren't :/ They can make bricks and 'print' walls, which is really just a cool way of pouring concrete. Hardly printing a house.

Kanda,

He thinks it’s a good thing

Netrunner,
@Netrunner@programming.dev avatar

He thinks we get universal welfare.

I think we get a bigger wealth gap and huge poverty.

ChickenLadyLovesLife,

Once the elites have everything they need or want provided by AI and machines, we get death.

rwhitisissle,

I can only imagine 50 years from now, when climate crisis is in full swing, there are no more salaried jobs for people without extreme, cutting edge technological specializations or PhDs, and people are doing shit like menial servant work or acting as delivery drivers for 16 hours a day for the ultra wealthy just not to starve, you’ll have some 70 year old zoomer politician that introduces a bill to legalize prostitution in order to open up “new sources of income for struggling Americans” while quietly including a clause that effectively creates death camps for the poor. Conservative Americans will praise the bill on the basis that it’ll get rid of “welfare queens” and create more economic opportunities for the people who don’t get turned into Soylent Green.

50 years after that, America is littered with the hollowed out ghost towns of long abandoned suburbia. The coasts have been destroyed by flooding from the melted ice caps. Automated workers outnumber Americans 10 to 1. There are around 30 million Americans left in the continental United States. Almost all of them are literal slaves after slavery was re-legalized. Almost everything is owned by a handful of incredibly powerful families. Virtually everyone lives in or around Chicago. Whatever hope people once had for a better future is a long distant dream of a bygone era as the world slowly dies and the people who are left simply persist without ever truly living.

ChickenLadyLovesLife,

Virtually everyone lives in or around Chicago.

And hilariously, everyone is still paying the Saudis for parking.

nolight,

There are more of “us” than “them”.

DeepGradientAscent,
@DeepGradientAscent@programming.dev avatar

There is a danger. The select few of “us” who are “more equal” will become “them”.

How do you think slavery sustains itself? A few slaves get to become slave-masters when the old masters die.

I guess it boils down to the age old questions of what is the value of a human life, and who gets to decide what laws we base upon the answer to the first question.

nolight,

What I meant was that “they” can not just simply erase “us” from existence once we stop providing them enough value, I believe in a revolution of some kind if such practices were to be tried.

Though I do not believe it would be rational nor beneficial for the elites at the first place, I was just pointing out that there is little chance of that happening.

rwhitisissle,

There were more natives in the Americas and Caribbean when the European settlers arrived, too. Only one side had way more advanced military technology and no scruples around genocide and slavery.

Zerush, to memes in Hey OpenAI
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

I think there were already projects of this with ChatGPT

https://file.coffee/u/xZ5ccuDTAuy_M09hU8QFh.jpg

Obi,
@Obi@sopuli.xyz avatar

I was gonna say Netherlands as that’s the kind of shit I expect from Dutch architects, but upon further inspection, Germany?

Zerush, (edited )
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

Austria, Museum of Modern Art in Vienna. I have no information about the substances or medications the architect has taken.

Well, meanwhile in Canada…

https://file.coffee/u/UcQRri2OnTU_DMlu8lsnD.jpg

meowMix2525,

Looks like a normal day in Australia to me…

hackris, (edited ) to memes in Hey OpenAI

Ahhh yes. In capitalism, if you create a machine that can replace say, 10 people, you don’t give them 1/10 of the work. You fire them and maybe hire someone to operate it.

Machines and human workers can coexist. They don’t have to replace them.

Edit: Of course they should replace them, but only after we get good living conditions for unemployed people, which are currently non-existent.

Kedly,

Yeah, we arent going to get our Jetsons future if we refuse to restructure our society towards not having to work instead of just fighting the tech because its taking our jobs away

UlyssesT,

The Jetsons had bullshit jobs for the sake of bullshit jobs. There’s got to be a better way than that.

AngrilyEatingMuffins,

They should replace them. What really needs undoing is this imbecilic idea that only workers deserve to live comfortably.

herzberd,
@herzberd@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I wish the bar was at living comfortably. As it stands it feels like the average person doesn’t think non-workers deserve to live :/

hackris,

Of course, the end goal (mind the word “end”) is to replace them. However, in this current situation, where many people are struggling to find a job, it’s not good.

interolivary, (edited )
@interolivary@beehaw.org avatar

They should replace workers and people should deserve to live without being workers, but it should also be painfully obvious that our current economic system won’t support this idea, and won’t until we do some pretty drastic things.

It’s not that we couldn’t build a post-scarcity society probably even right now given some pretty radical adjustment of resource allocations, we just don’t want to build one – “we” being the 0.01% that have such insane amounts of wealth that they’ve essentially taken over the whole economic system, largely thanks to eg. dumb fucks like Reagan and sociopathic fucks like Thatcher and the people who idolize them buying into the idea that they too can be that rich because the wealth will somehow magically trickle down.

AngrilyEatingMuffins,

That would be the mentality I’m talking about us needing to kill. Regardless, AI will help with this problem, in both it being inevitable that it will provide people with more free time (due to efficiencies or unemployment) - which is needed to be able to effectively revolt - and it will help address the issues of transforming our economic model, as the machines will have a much better way of distributing goods and services. Also capitalism needs workers to have money so that they can buy the products they produce, which should at some point necessitate a universal basic income, which will further help erode the work = money paradigm.

interolivary, (edited )
@interolivary@beehaw.org avatar

If you think this current brand of capitalism requires plebs to have money, I’m not sure how you explain the fact that when taking inflation into account wages have been either stagnant or actually going down ever since the 70’s / 80’s, the amount of wealth owned by the same plebs compared to the “financial ruling class” (mainly executives and such, and especially the banking sector thanks to deregulation) has shrunk dramatically, and cost of living keeps getting higher, while at the same time the compensation for the “financial ruling class” has grown at a frankly exponential rate.

Sufficiently advanced AI will, if anything, make it even more likely that that “ruling class” will realize they don’t need quite as many of us around because all we do us suck up their resources and complain how we haven’t eaten anything but cup noodles in a week and our teeth hurt.

Masimatutu, to memes in Fossil

Influencer fish??

lugal,

Before it was cool

jlow,

Boomer incoming but was it ever cool?

Anamana, (edited ) to memes in I'm going to have the coolest dustrunner ever
@Anamana@feddit.de avatar

Fair point, those cars look hella expensive. And who’s gonna pay for the petrol?

NocturnalMorning,

That’s the best part, you don’t have too. In the future it’s finders keepers.

AlligatorBlizzard,

Until entropy ‘finders keepers’ that petrol.

bentropy,

Someone called me?

Anamana,
@Anamana@feddit.de avatar

Nah we’re looking for the other guy

DeepGradientAscent,
@DeepGradientAscent@programming.dev avatar

Kentropy.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

More to the point, how is it not going to turn into jelly after a few years? Old gas turns to jelly.

Catsrules,

This is why you should get an electric car and solar panels.

SpooneyOdin,

They make new gas in the Mad Max universe. In fact the truck in the middle of the picture is a mobile refinery.

interdimensionalmeme,

Ah, good to know, I will aim my auto grenade launcher at that one !

Patches, (edited )

It’s Ethanol Free …?

Anamana,
@Anamana@feddit.de avatar

Jellycars …when?

Karcinogen, to memes in World attention

What ever became of the Free Hong Kong protests?

Peaty,

They got cancelled due to COVID and police violence.

whileloop,
@whileloop@lemmy.world avatar

We forgot them, and now Hong Kong is just as repressed as the rest of China.

chuckleslord,

Kind of hard to keep a protest going through covid and also anyone who says anything being arrested

Gigan,
@Gigan@lemmy.world avatar

China won

SuckMyWang,

Hollywood lied to me

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