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LEDZeppelin, in Is there an artist so horrible that no matter how hard you try that you cannot separate their art from them?

Kanye. Piece of shit narcissist through and through.

corsicanguppy,

Apparently Kanye has copied some great music, and we’ll know for sure if he ever releases some.

chitak166,

It was always funny watching him talk about Jesus in his songs as though his lifestyle didn’t promote everything Christ went against.

And of course, the next generation sucked it up like a sponge.

burgers,

yeah kanye for me too. used to be my favorite artist, paid out the ass for tickets on multiple tours, knew all the words to his first like, six albums. haven’t listened to him in like a year and a half after the Alex Jones interview and Adidas stories came out. it’s not even virtue signaling, it’s just too much work to not think about all the horrible shit he’s done and said. i count myself extremely lucky that i never got a tattoo

blazeknave,

Exactly, it’s laborious separating them. Even shit he’s just produced like Hov or Pusha T. My favorite songs come on shuffle in the car, vibin, 30 sec in… “oh shit… right… hmm… ugh… argghhh” next track

schmorpel, in What is the most unusual spirit you have in your home bar?

Spirits of my dead balkan grandmothers and some decent greenery. Alcohol is for losers.

stoy,

Noted.

mx_smith, in Is there an artist so horrible that no matter how hard you try that you cannot separate their art from them?

I still listen to Michael Jackson but I won’t listen to R Kelly.

lars,

Loved Michael Jackson music so fucking much. Can’t stomach it anymore.

But the first few moments of Billy Jean…

jennwiththesea,
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Well, one’s alive and the other isn’t. As long as the inheritors of MJ’s estate are decent people, I think it’s fine at this point. Still skeeves me out to listen to his stuff, though. Two verses in and my brain is popping.

DrBob,
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You know that while he was incredibly strange, there were never any credible accusations right? There were a lot of people fluffing the stories trying to get a payout but there was never any evidence of wrongdoing.

Rakonat,

As far as I’m aware none of MJs accusers still say he did anything, and nearly all of them say their parents pressured them to say stuff he didn’t do for a settlement. He was definitely a weird guy but you look at his upbringing and it was trauma after trauma by adults exploiting him for money.

ClockNimble,

If it was one kid? I’d have doubts. Once it passed into double digits? Nope.

Rakonat,

If there is one accusation still active, sure. But every single case I’ve heard of, the family withdrew and admitted they were looking for a cash settlement.

Brekky,

Well to be fair one was found guilty in a court of law and the other (I don’t believe but feel free to correct me) didn’t even have a criminal case brought against him.

KpntAutismus, in Honestly - How much will you sacrifice for a better world?

pretty much nothing. as an apprentice living off of not even minimum wage, i cannot afford any more price increases.

i am also a car enthusiast, and i want to keep the cobustion engine around (hydrogen ICE comes to mind). i would also like to keep the unlimited speed on the Autobahn, even if it would slightly improve efficiency in terms of fuel consumption and traffic accidents to implement a speed limit.

i strongly oppose the enshittification of every online service and think these datacenters used purely for processing collected data should not exist. they are being operated with coal energy in germany, which is just stupid. (from a quick google, they’re using 18 Billion Watts)

Essential online services and infrastructure should be FOSS-based honestly. i NEED a google account to use public transport.

also fuck public transport. i have a 49€ ticket and cannot rely on it. we once had a 2-Month period where everyone had to use public transport because the schoool is located in the middle of the city. no one was ever on time these entire 2 months. did i mention that driving to work is 3 times faster, and i get to sit in a very comfortable heated seat the entire time?

Hyperreality, (edited ) in Is there an artist so horrible that no matter how hard you try that you cannot separate their art from them?

Not as if I'm a fan, but Eric Gill is/was a prolific, respected and internationally renowned artist. You'll his work across the UK, perhaps most notably on the BBC's broadcasting house.

Also designed the Gill Sans typeface, which I think everyone's heard of or even used. Used all across the world on signage or stores.

Here's why I have a hard time taking his works at face value:

Although the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography describes Gill as "the greatest artist-craftsman of the twentieth century: a letter-cutter and type designer of genius", he is also a figure of considerable controversy following the revelations of his sexual abuse of two of his daughters and of his pet dog.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Gill

azulavoir,

That’s the pokemon TCG font, also notably

quams69, in What is the most unusual spirit you have in your home bar?

You guys have homes?

ironeagl,

Home is where the heart is

Obi,
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Or in this case, the bar.

stoy,

They tend to be pretty common

voracitude,

Less so, lately.

stoy,

Depends on the location, but yeah, they have gone up in price…

Vincent, in What is the most unusual spirit you have in your home bar?

The spirit of Christmas future.

rekabis, in Honestly - How much will you sacrifice for a better world?

I highly doubt there will ever be a better world, our current “business as usual” course will doom humanity to extinction within the next two centuries, and have a non-trivial probability of initiating a Venus Scenario due to the inertia present in human-made climate change.

Our only hope of avoiding that future is bringing out the guillotines and removing pretty much the entire Parasite Class from existence, implementing a true separation of capitalism and state, and instituting punitive laws that control and limit the worst depredations of capitalism (far more than what currently exist). While it wouldn’t be true socialism, it would bring us much closer to democracy that is free of capitalistic cronyism and corruption, allowing society as a whole to save itself without being handcuffed and bound to a profit-at-all-costs path by our corporate masters.

Lophostemon, in What is the most unusual spirit you have in your home bar?

I have a 5000 yo former prince of some whacky kingdom I can’t pronounce. His head is partly caved-in but he’s generally cheerful despite his gruesome cause of death. He lives (haunts?) in the sink but comes out to scare the dog and MIL. Classic white robe type deal but older than the usual ghosts I encounter.

Quazatron, in What is the most unusual spirit you have in your home bar?
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1984, (edited ) in List of Lemmy Instances committed to defederating from Threads?
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With Lemmy 0.19, users can choose to block threads on their own.

That way the instance owners doesn’t have to decide for everyone.

Damaskox, in What is the most unusual spirit you have in your home bar?
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I thought you were speaking of ghosts or demons and the like 😂

bionicjoey,

Yeah I was thinking the ghost of the Windows start menu

Chakravanti, in What is the most unusual spirit you have in your home bar?

Isopropyl

stoy,

I don’t recommend drinking that…

ThatFembyWho,

I’ve been using it (70%) to prep my face before hair removal sessions, soaked onto a cotton ball. But the effect is that I can somewhat taste the stuff. Not terrible, but not good. Intriguing. Which got me to thinking, I wonder how desperate a person would have to be to drink this…

Zeppo,
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someone on an alcoholic sub on reddit told me they tried it. They swear it does get you fucked up in addition to just poisoning you.

Chakravanti,

I don’t drink alcohol of any kind. Hence the submission of the close I have to such.

stoy,

My uncle doesn’t drink, but still collects small bottles of spirits, but I get you, I mainly find the bottles and liquid beautiful and only drink occasionally.

Chakravanti,

I will never drink ever again. I have done plenty of dope and no shortage of alchohol quite a while ago. I don’t miss it one bit and If I’m after dope it’ll never be booze.

Drinking alchohol is synonyms to a slow suicide and and self destruction. It makes you stupid and it is like saying out loud that you have shitty memories you can’t, but want to, forget. Not that you will but you will stop caring about yourself and wanting to forget memories.

Come here, I got this big club. I can handle your desire to forget. Just don’t talk about the club, okay?

Zeppo,
@Zeppo@sh.itjust.works avatar

It’s led to me forming shitty memories I have a hard time forgetting. A vicious circle.

RBWells,

We have a friend who says “There is no problem alcohol cannot make worse.”. I do like cocktails but just one is usually my limit as I don’t really like being drunk. It’s more part of food culture for many of us.

Chakravanti,

Not for me. Or my respect. Ever.

stoy,

I see where you are comming from, and while I disagree with some points you make, I am truly happy for you that you have managed to be clean, and I wish you all the best.

I meant no disrespect to your struggles with this thread, but since this is one of the largest communities on lemmy threads about drink and drinking will show up, so I don’t know what you want me to do.

I have no desire to forget in this case, I have never mentioned any club, so I think you are a bit confused.

Again, I am very happy to hear that you have got clean, and I really wish you a bright future, but if you are in this situation, perhaps this thread isn’t for you?

Chakravanti,

Oh I couldn’t help but take the opportunity to explain the truth of certain decisions. I’m just a complete prick for that kind of thing. And for club, let me just say that this isn’t a real fight beyond this here and now moment. Take it with a sense of mutual respect if you can handle the truth I already laid down. I’d say more but I just want you to see this fight & club. There’s a fantastic movie all about it and if you haven’t seen it, you should and then you’d understand why I just can’t talk about the fight club.

Macaroni_ninja,
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Thats the spirit!

Tetra, in Is there an artist so horrible that no matter how hard you try that you cannot separate their art from them?
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Very boring answer but JK Rowling.

Her books already had some questionable shit in them but witnessing that shockingly venomous transphobia really recontextualizes everything. I used to re read the Harry Potter saga every few years, but never again now, this whole, very nostalgic for me franchise is forever ruined now.

Centillionaire,

I looked up all her tweets, and I don’t see much to disagree with.

If you go to Thailand, trans men are called ladyboys and if you ask them if they are women, they say, no, I’m a ladyboy. There’s nothing wrong with having the opinion that trans women will not be real women. She’s not saying she hates trans people, just that they will never be the same as biological women.

chitak166,

A major issue is that she isn’t loyal and has her own opinions on the matter.

Independents are seen as enemies in the eyes of tribalists. Eventually, they become enemies.

Jaytreeman,

What's a biological woman?

520, (edited )

They mean people born with female bodies. So Cis women or FtM men.

Jaytreeman,

I want him to define it.
Even cis women might not be 'biologically female'
It comes from a high school level understanding of genetics.

520,

I do get what you mean, it's oversimplifying a complicated subject.

afraid_of_zombies, (edited )

What is a human? What is knowledge? What is virtue? What is justice?

We have known for 2500 years that some words are very difficult to define in such a way that every single edge case is handled, it is complete, and short. The most famous example, 2500 years ago, was an academy defined human as a featherless biped. The next day someone released a plucked chicken.

For those words that are very difficult to define we develop criteria and gradually alter the criteria as time goes on, mostly based on the idea of ordinary language.

snooggums,
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Just because one group that has a passing resemblance to another group says something doesn't mean that it applies to every group with a passing resemblance. Especially when the group is from a completely different culture.

520, (edited )

Yes, but Thailand is not the entire world, nor was it even the target audience of those tweets.

In the west, when you transition to another gender, it is because you want to identify as that gender. Thus when you say shit like 'trans women aren't real women' you're denying the identity of thousands of women worldwide.

chitak166,

But… the west isn’t the entire world either.

I think that’s the point. That culture matters and there’s not a one-size-fits-all interpretation or response that satisfies all of them.

People in the west want to believe their culture is the best and all others should follow, but that simply isn’t how the world works. That won’t stop them from getting mad over it, though.

520, (edited )

We are talking about a western author broadcasting on a western platform in a western language, often directly in response to other westerners or western ideas of transsexuality. Makes it pretty clear who the target audience and culture is.

chitak166,

This may come as a shock to you, but a lot of westerners don’t believe in transexuality either.

Hey, we’re talking about one right now!

This is what I mean by thinking your culture is the best and all others should follow. Do you think Rowling would be justified if she tweeted in Thai? Lol. If not, then she isn’t unjustified for engaging with westerners.

Try to understand your way of life is not the only, or even the best, way of life.

520, (edited )

This may come as a shock to you, but a lot of westerners don’t believe in transexuality either.

Hey, we’re talking about one right now!

No, they believe that transsexuals are heathen abominations that should be stripped of all human rights and dignity. There is a difference.

Try to understand your way of life is not the only, or even the best, way of life.

Try to understand that your way of life should not get in the way of others trying to enjoy theirs when it doesn't harm other people.

chitak166,

they believe that transsexuals are heathen abominations that should be stripped of all human rights and dignity.

Some of them, sure. But some just disagree with the notion that trans-X are identical to their cis counterparts.

Try to understand that your way of life should not get in the way of others trying to enjoy theirs when it doesn’t harm other people.

I totally agree.

Tetra,
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It's never been about proving trans and cis folks of the same gender are "identical", no one is arguing that, obviously there are some physical, biological differences. Differences that trans folks are painfully aware of, and that take a lot of time and effort to mitigate for many them to feel like themselves.

It's just about being accepted as, being seen, and talked to as the gender of your choosing.

People like Rowling who argue against the existence or the rights of trans folks overwhelmingly do so out of ignorance, fear, or simply malice. It's not a philosophical question, it's not up for debate whether trans people "exist", if you don't believe in them then you're just objectively, provably, scientifically wrong.

And if you agree they exist and still want to make their lives miserable, then you're just an asshole.

chitak166,

It’s never been about proving trans and cis folks of the same gender are “identical”, no one is arguing that

Speak for yourself, I see people arguing it all the time.

if you don’t believe in them then you’re just objectively, provably, scientifically wrong.

Yeah, just like if you don’t believe homosexuality is a mental disorder in 1952 then you are “scientifically wrong.” Soft sciences aren’t ‘objective’ like hard sciences, which is why they are currently having a reproducibility crisis.

Do you believe in otherkin? I’m sure they would react identically as you towards people who don’t see them the way they want to be seen.

Tetra,
@Tetra@kbin.social avatar

Yeah I'm not gonna waste more time trying to change a transphobe's mind, peace

llamajester421,

Bringing up otherkin is plain what-about-ism, so it proves nothing. So much for some second-class Republicans who tried to push the narrative that schools now add special sandboxes instead of toilets to accomodate them. Reproducibility crisis that is an utter joke, especially when you defend the science-denialist position. All major medical organizations recognize the existence and validity of the trans experience. The one's who don't are the ones who are usually the science deniers on a range of topics. Scratching homosexuality (like after Kinsey studies) and trans identity from mental disorders was not a politically motivated decision, but reflected development of scientific thought about sex and gender, for instance 1600 biologists condemned Trumps idea that he could define biological sex on the basis of chromosomes and external genitalia at birth, Scientific American has published that biological sex is a spectrum, and that trans girls belong to high school women sports because there is no scientific basis for exclusion. It also deemed theories like "Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria" as pseudoscience. So are you reading actual medical organizations or Dawkins Institute shit, because some of them are militant anti-trans agitators, not advocates of science. It is clear from what you write that you read all the wrong things and formed an ill opinion. 4) And most important, cis and trans might not be identical but neither are people within trans and cis categories. Trans people aren't identical to their birth gender either. And in the end of the day it doesn't even matter, respecting a trans personality has nothing to do with their biological sex, binary or not, fluid or not. It is an ideological stance (fascism) to not respect people who are not cis and/or straight. Even if it is a hairy, 200-lib pre-HRT bulky trans woman it is still a woman in the eyes of the law, like it or not. Source: Scientific American Trans girls belong to female Sports https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trans-girls-belong-on-girls-sports-teams/ Scientific American visualizing sex as a spectrum https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/sa-visual/visualizing-sex-as-a-spectrum/ 1600 biologists condemns Trump anti-transgender proposal https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46067559 American Psychological Organization advocates for trans youth https://www.apa.org/monitor/2022/07/advocating-transgender-nonbinary-youths World Helath professional Association advocates for transgender adults and youth https://www.wpath.org/publications/soc And as of the last point, if you are out to misgender trans people on the basis of your dogmatic chromosomal determinism and half-baked scientism, here is what happened in the past: “if part of the belief necessarily will result in the violation of the dignity of others, that is a component of the belief, rather than something separate, and will be relevant to determining whether the belief is a protected philosophical belief,” which is from https://criticallegalthinking.com/2021/06/29/not-a-nazi-but-forstater-v-cgd-europe/ .

afraid_of_zombies,

I am in the west and don’t think we have the best in every way culture. The more I travel the more I am aware of where we have plenty of room for improvement. I prefer living here, most people given the choice would as well, but that doesn’t mean best.

WeLoveCastingSpellz,

same

kalistia, (edited )

I recently listened to this podcast and I think it’s a good way to understand this affair with a more dispassionate approach!

The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling www.thefp.com/witchtrials

RSS address: feeds.megaphone.fm/RUNMED9919162779

Tetra,
@Tetra@kbin.social avatar

Oh I know all about that podcast trust me, it doesn't change my opinion about Rowling in the slightest, and it's far from being a good way to "understand this affair".

If you're genuinely curious, I highly recommend ContraPoint's video about that very podcast, as well as her other video about Rowling.

Hyperreality,

I've linked to them as a reply to the comment you're replying to.

Agree about the Witch Trials podcast .

Hyperreality, (edited )

Here's a discussion of that podcast:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmT0i0xG6zg

And another one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gDKbT_l2us

Yes, they're long videos. Yes, there's a reason they have millions of views. Genuinely interesting.

TheCannonball,

Try the Mage Errent series by John Bierce. It’s a full fantasy world with a hard magic aystem that’s about kids going to magic school.

ThePowerOfGeek,
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Her vehement and vocal hatred for trans people is pretty strange to me. She just won’t let it go, no matter the fact that her very vocal opinions on the topic are destroying her own legacy.

I get that people are entitled to their opinions. But most people keep their thoughts to themselves if they start getting a lot of backlash. But she just keeps picking at it and making things worse for herself. I don’t know if it’s some sort of resentment born out of deeply hurt feelings, or unbridled arrogance that as a very rich and successful person people need to accept her opinions. Or maybe both. But it’s not working and she’s doing more harm than good, including to herself.

chitak166,

I always thought harry potter was boring as shit. Never got through a movie, never read a book.

But the people who I did see reading the books in class were the ones who definitely would take issue with Rowling’s transphobia.

macrocephalic,

Yeah I was already a tiny adult when they came out. I tried reading them as an older adult and only got through one and a half.

morphballganon,

Chamber of Secrets is definitely the weakest book in the series

Hyperreality, (edited )

Can I recommend reading/listening to Ursula K. Le Guin's Earth Sea books?

They're also coming of age books about a young wizard, which almost certainly heavily inspired Rowling (although AFAIK she never admitted it), but the author is far less problematic. Also arguably much better books, so they're more enjoyable to read for adults too.

dragonfly,

Another great choice is The King Henry Tapes by Richard Raley. It’s a take on HP, but the magical kid from a dysfunctional family is a juvenile delinquent with a foul mouth. One of my favorite series.

leftzero,

Terry Pratchett’s Tiffany Aching books are also great alternatives (and a gateway to the rest of the Discworld books, which are also great).

groucho,
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Yep! Harry Potter doesn’t teach you how to be a wizard, but Tiffany Aching teaches you how to be a witch.

GarytheSnail,
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Pendragon by DJ MacHale is also a great set of books.

Id kill for an HP quality set of movies of this series.

frokie,

Hey I know that series! And agree, though I think the last few books kinda lost me.

GarytheSnail,
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The Quillan Games is the book I remember being a bit tougher. It’s been quite a long time since I’ve read the series.

frokie,

Yeah if I recall correctly it was basically a mix between Squid Game and Hunger Games? Before either one existed.

ElderWendigo,

And the cherry on top is this. You may notice a bit of misogyny built into a first couple books in the series, which is surprising given that Ursula is a woman. She not only noticed, admitted, and confronted that patriarchal slant, but corrected it by writing later stories in the same world that reversed that course. Those stories end up being much better than the foundational works in the series. I have become an instant fan of any author that can confront the flaws of their earlier writings and deliberately alter course to do better in their life and their writing.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please,

Yeah, I actually read her last book in the series first, (it’s a distant sequel, very far removed from the rest of the series), and I can attest to the fact that she grew tremendously. I went back and read the first book, and was surprised at how different the last book was.

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