poszod,

Buy the whole damn chicken, it’s always cheaper, protein for 4 meals.

Sheeple,
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

Where do you live where you can afford chicken to begin with? I’m semi vegetarian just because of absurd meat prices.

diffcalculus,

Costco rotisserie chicken

Sheeple,
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

Unfortunately we don’t have those in my country

RememberTheApollo,

But you gotta pay the membership fee. Only worth it if you spend enough to cover that fee in rebates and savings; and then shopping at Costco isn’t what I would call “poor”, but maybe it works out?

There are other grocery stores that have hot food bars and sell the rotisserie chicken, too.

Nollij,

Depending on details, the $5 / month can be well worth it for what options open up. The rotisserie chicken is $5 and significantly larger than the $8-10 chickens anywhere else. If you just get 2 of those per month you could come out ahead.

The challenge with Costco is that the options aren’t always so similar. Sure, their price on Charmin is better than anywhere else, but is it cheaper than the Aldi brand? What about their organic vs cheap produce elsewhere? When I got a Costco membership, I did not save any money, but I have been getting better quality stuff. That said, I am not on a tight budget, so my shopping habits are different

poszod,

In Portugal a whole raw chicken is around 3.5€, about 0.45% of a minimum wage.

NewNewAccount,

Minimum wage per what? Month?

khannie,
@khannie@lemmy.world avatar

Apparently so. €760 per month is the minimum monthly wage in Portugal. Works out at less than €5 per hour if you assume 160 hours per month which seems very low. For reference, Ireland is €11.30. While cost of living is higher here you can still pick up a full uncooked chicken for around €5 depending on the shop.

Local supermarket here does 4 chicken legs for €2.55.

SilverFlame,

A whole chicken in the US costs between 12-16 dollars depending in weight. The price literally doubled over the last couple years

khannie,
@khannie@lemmy.world avatar

GOOD GOD!

How big is a chicken there though?

SilverFlame, (edited )

About 5-6 pounds. Bigger ones get close to 7 pounds. So like 2-3.5 kg

Before Covid they were 99 cents a pound, now it’s about 2.50/lb

khannie,
@khannie@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks. Yeah that is a big assed chicken for Ireland tbh but it’s still more expensive overall.

I feel like you guys have been badly burned by price gouging. I remember seeing a thing on Reddit about egg prices skyrocketing and they had barely budged here so I found it odd.

SilverFlame,

The price of most groceries have at least doubled. I can still get store brand eggs for about $1.50 a dozen but other brands are easily 3+ dollars now. Meanwhile supermarkets are posting record profits.

poszod,

This is correct.

The kg of raw chicken here is currently at 2.34€ at the two biggest supermarket chains, a whole chicken is usually 1.5kg.

Swedneck,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

whole chicken is a lot cheaper than separate parts because there’s little processing involved

31337,

Back when I used to eat meat (6 or so years ago), my grocery store would always have huge bags of chicken thighs which were cheaper than a whole chicken. May not be the case anymore.

MycoBro, (edited )

I save a ton with my garden and chickens. If you got just a little land. I live in a small town but in the middle of it, but I got my yard used to its maximum potential. You would be surprised what you can fit if you do it right. You can go vertical if you need too. Where you save a so much money isn’t that “oh well, now I don’t have to buy a squash! I saved 3 dollars “ but if you let it dictate your meals it’s what you eat and then you spend 0 dollars on supper. I ate a lot of squash and bok Choy and rice and home baked bread this late summer and it was great every meal. Probably saved nearly $20,000 on groceries those two months. Give or take. (Don’t try squash if you don’t have the room. They are delicious but will straight up take over a given area with huge beautiful leaves and huge wonderful yellow flowers all summer)

TAG,
@TAG@lemmy.world avatar

How much time do you spend looking after your garden? In my area, I would need to water the garden occasionally (if there is not much rain), figure out a pest mitigation solution (I don’t want to eat squashes half eaten by rodents, weed the plant bed, etc.

I know all this because my father took up gardening as a retirement hobby and quit after a few years because he did not want another full time job.

jkjustjoshing, (edited )

You would be spending $10,000/month on groceries without your garden??

MycoBro,

Was joking about the number. Jesus. Of course not. Wtf

techt,

It’s strange because it… isn’t really a joke, just wrong information? It’s not a high enough value to be obvious hyperbole (“I saved like a million on groceries”), so it looks like a typo that you didn’t realize you made and are now aggressively defending like you meant it as a joke. Not saying that’s the case, but that’s sure what it looks like.

Could you estimate how much it actually might have saved you? I think that’d be very good for the discussion.

snausagesinablanket,
@snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world avatar

If you got just a little land

Let me go ahead and get a mortgage so I can raise chickens to save money.

| Probably saved nearly $20,000 on groceries those two months.

10k a month in groceries?

Farmer’s markets sell veggies cheap as fuck.

MycoBro,

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  • Blue_Morpho,

    You think I meant 20k?

    “Probably saved nearly $20,000 on groceries those two months. Give or take”

    I can’t tell if you are trolling

    31337,

    Farmer’s markets are very expensive in my area. Like, almost double the price of my local grocery stores. I sometimes wonder if people just buy their goods from the grocery store and sell them at the market.

    Icaria,

    Take beverages with you from home.

    You can fill an entire wardrobe with kmart clothes for $100, it’s cheaper and more practical than even op shops most of the time. Maybe just don’t buy your shoes from there.

    Bottle sauces and seasonings can last a long time, and can dramatically improve the diversity and quality of your home cooking. Basic chicken, rice, and greens can be turned into a dozen different dishes depending upon the sauces.

    Avoid subscription services like the plague.

    There’s always a few exceptions, but name brands are rarely worth it.

    Yoz,

    Hallelujah and Amen to avoiding subscriptions

    blunderworld, (edited )

    Avoid subscription services like the plague.

    Great advice. You didn’t hear it from me, but Stremio is a pretty easy way to cut streaming costs if you choose to install certain add-ons…

    neumast,

    What would those certain addons be? Just so that I won’t do anything illegal by accident.

    blunderworld,

    I wouldn’t be the best person to guide someone through it, unfortunately. But you can find a list of add-ons here, and there are almost certainly some quality guides by smarter folks than I to get you started.

    Just in case you were being serious about the legality concern though, this may not be something you want to do.

    kent_eh,

    Avoid subscription services like the plague.

    Check what services your library card gives you free access to.

    HawlSera,

    What’s a KMart lol?

    SendMePhotos,

    Rofl. I didn’t even notice because I’m old.

    RBWells,

    Honestly I have stuff from clearance racks at Gap that have lasted 15 years and cost $3 -$5. Thrift stores have gotten expensive here but the mall clearance rack can still sometimes be a great deal. I didn’t buy clothes this year at all, don’t usually since I have enough to rotate. But when I do eventually, I look for something I can like for a long time.

    Also smartwool socks, I thought I was throwing away money because they were so expensive, I got them for running because they are so good and help avoid blisters. I had to replace them last year, looked in my Amazon history and saw they were 11 years old! So I saved money really. Socks that lasted over ten years!

    Of course these are all middle-income tricks. When I was very poor - you can live in your car but can’t drive your house, keep the car if you have to choose. Ask for help from people you know - you would help them, right? Roommates, so many roommates. Splitting rent 8 ways makes it affordable.

    If you have secure housing but not much else - our neighbor used to bring us fruit & veg he dumpster dived because he knew we were struggling. Look for free healthy food like that to supplement what you buy - some community gardens you can harvest from, that’s how ours works, it’s not a grow your own space, everyone grows for everyone. Some farm coops you can trade time & labor for food. We couldn’t get food stamps because Florida but if you are willing to jump through the hoops that can really help get you through too.

    Lennnny,
    @Lennnny@lemmy.world avatar

    Thrift stores out of season. Look for your winter jacket in June, you’ll get the nicer brands, and most thrift stores will do some kind of rotating discount on certain colored tags. Most ‘dry clean only’ items can indeed be machine washed on gentle.

    Preserved and frozen meats and fish can be made into fantastic recipes. We do salsa chicken straight from frozen in the instant pot, and I make a killer pasta with tinned sardines and breadcrumbs. The benefit of these is that you can buy them on sale and don’t have to worry about cooking them quickly to avoid spoiling.

    Drugstore makeup can be just as good as expensive stuff. Aldi moisturizers are incredible and $4 a pot. I splash out on super expensive shampoo and conditioner, so I don’t have reccs there, but my husband swears by Aldi’s black and white bottle stuff.

    And this tip is a little wild, but learning to forage can be immense. There is so much free edible food around you, from flowers and leaves that make delicious tea (passiflora flowers), weeds that can substitute salad greens (lambs quarters, kudzu, and wood sorrel), to absolutely delicious fruit that you couldn’t even buy if you wanted to (pawpaws!). Use the golden rules of having three different ways to identify it (three sources, don’t just use photo ID apps, learn the description, not just the visuals) and also know the sickly lookalikes, and never forage for carrots or parsley.

    beebarfbadger,

    carrots or parsley

    Why not those two?

    ook_the_librarian,
    @ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world avatar

    More for them.

    Lennnny,
    @Lennnny@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s incredibly hard to tell the difference between wild carrots and poison hemlock.

    MycoBro,

    You can straight up live off oyster mushrooms for like 2-3 months in a cold season. And the mighty little “potato bean” Apios americana, grows in almost every slightly moist disturbed area and is much more nutritious than potatoes. (Louisiana)

    satans_crackpipe,

    Eat rice and beans for every meal.

    Don’t eat three meals a day

    Buy tools from pawn shops and learn to service your vehicle or bike

    Cold showers and dark rooms

    Pick up a sewing machine from a thrift store

    Basically DIY as much as possible. And steal anything you can.

    killeronthecorner,
    @killeronthecorner@lemmy.world avatar

    That last sentence is going a lot of heavy lifting

    Empricorn,

    If they’re stealing heavy things, they’re a shitty thief!

    (Seriously though: if you’re going to steal, do it from large, company-owned places, etc. Don’t prey upon struggling people or small businesses.)

    Zealousideal_Fox900,

    Here in Australia we “product relievers” have a sort of rule that the big stores woolworths, coles ect are fucking free game and to leave the family convienience store alone.

    threeduck,
    @threeduck@aussie.zone avatar

    My brother convinced me not to, as Coles and Woolworths are often franchised by families. Head office takes their cut regardless, whatever you steal comes out of the franchise owners wallet. Happy to be proven wrong as I’d love to knick from em.

    FontMasterFlex,

    I agree with you. I get the sentiment, but even stealing from large corporations like Wal-Mart is just backfiring in slow motion. They will eventually just either raise pricing to accommodate theft, install theft deterrents, or hire more people to be theft deterrents, all of which the cost is passed onto the customer. ie, you and me, and the thieves that complain about the high prices and steal to offset the cost. This isn’t to defend shitty practices by big corporations. But nuanced opinions are lost on most people, and I’ll subsequently likely be called out for defending consumerism/capitalism.

    nomous, (edited )

    Nah they’re charging as much as they can and will continue to charge as much as they can. If they could raise the price they would.

    No prices went down when they got rid of 30 cashiers and made me scan my own stuff, they’re not going to go up if I walk out with bananas.

    Corkyskog,
    @Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works avatar

    But don’t steal from Target, unless you actually want to get free meals and and lodging for a while.

    blunderworld, (edited )

    And steal anything you can.

    On that note, when you’re buying groceries at self-checkout, it’s perfectly acceptable to take the ‘oops, all bananas’ strategy.

    Fuck exploitative grocery store pricing; food security should be a human right.

    Serisar,

    Don’t put yourself into an even more miserable situation when it doesn’t even benefit you in a measurable way.
    E.g. Lights/dark rooms: Let’s say you use a 5W LED light bulb (which should be bright enough to decently light most rooms). If you leave that running 24/7 for a whole year, that is going to cost you ~13€/$ (0,3€/$/kWh). You are not going to keep it running 24/7, you are not even going to run it half the day. It is not worth 5 bucks to spend the whole year in darkness, no matter how little money you have.

    Obviously turn off the light when you’re not in the room or it’s the middle of the day in summer, but be reasonable with yourself.

    The same goes for food: Sure, buying cheap staples (in bulk if possible) is a great idea, but don’t try to save 5 cents if that means skipping on the salt, herbs and tomato paste which would take your 2/10 bland bowl of carbs to at least a 7/10 and give you something to look forward to.

    snausagesinablanket,
    @snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world avatar

    Way healthier and cheaper to make your own roast beef. The recipe is simple as it gets.

    Leave meat out until 60 degrees to the core. Rub with light virgin olive oil, then heavy on the salt and pepper until it’s coated with it. Bake uncovered 375°F, 20 minutes a pound.

    Cover for 20 minutes when you first pull it out so all the juices settle in. Aluminum foil and a bath towel works well for this.

    Cool off to room temperature before putting in the fridge.

    You will have the best RB for sandwiches you ever had.

    Only buy roasts when they are on sale.

    I just bought a 10 pound roast for $3.99 pound, saving me $14 a pound over deli roast beef that has added water and nitrates.

    I froze half of it already sliced in vacuum sealed bags so I have some when Roast Beef is not on sale.

    Blue_Morpho,

    You left out that you need a $70 -$150 meat slicer.

    Fantomas, (edited )

    I once sliced a piece of meat so thin you couldn’t even see it! 🫨

    I_LOVE_VEKOMA_SLC,

    So thin it only had one side!

    TurboDiesel,
    @TurboDiesel@lemmy.world avatar

    Food banks. Look at your local church, synagogue, or mosque. A lot of them do community outreach and have some kind of food bank.

    If you’re skipping meals or you have $5 'til next Friday, the food bank is for you. Don’t feel like you’re taking something away from someone “more needy.” It’s you. You’re needy. Take the help. That was a hard lesson to learn in my 20s.

    DharmaCurious,
    @DharmaCurious@startrek.website avatar

    If you have a gurdwara in your area, they often do free meals, almost like a restaurant. Baptist churches tend to have dinners on Wednesdays, and the Hare Krishnas are always good for some heavily dairy vegetarian foods. I wish more people knew this.

    Empricorn,

    A what?

    DharmaCurious,
    @DharmaCurious@startrek.website avatar

    I meant to define what that was in the comment and forgot. Sorry. A gurdwara or gurudwara is a Sikh worship house. Like a mosque/temple/church.

    Empricorn,

    Oh, that’s awesome! Sounds Sikh (sorry). But seriously, thanks for the info!

    Zealousideal_Fox900,

    Ride PT when possible. If you are poor, chances are you can get a concession card or even entirely free travel card.

    threeduck, (edited )
    @threeduck@aussie.zone avatar

    Our PT system (Melbourne Australia) is privately owned and costs $5 each way. Consider not paying and paying a fine if caught - it often works out cheaper. Fines are $200, and I’ve only had my ticket checked maybe 4 times in 6 years. Odds are good!

    Flumsy,

    Arent there any monthly/yearly tickets?

    fruitycoder,

    Remember a lot of effort and money is spent into brainwashing us from young ages to be constantly be buying shit we don’t need and to feel like we are living bad lives if we don’t have it.

    Remember it’s bullshit, remember that you are more than the fucking trinkets and landfill filling they want you to trade all your time for.

    Boycott shit, find any reasonable moral cause as a good reason not to buy something. There’s almost always a good reason not to buy something that you don’t need.

    SeabassDan,

    I feel like it would take just as much effort and basically a whole other upbringing, in a sense, to become accustomed to all the things we were raised with. So i get what you mean, but I dont know exactly how possible it really is, or none of us would really be here, for example.

    fruitycoder,

    For sure, to me it’s just take every step you can, nothing is ever perfect.

    mortalic,

    Don’t see this one yet, but learn how to invest with small amounts. It first… Do these things:

    First cut loving expenses where you can, such as: use less power, eat more rice and beans, don’t buy meat, take mass transit, or walk if possible.

    Next ensure you stay healthy, always brush and floss, do basic exercise. Keep it simple to stuff you don’t need to buy, do pushups, situps, lunges, go jogging.

    Then from the cost cutting, put some money into a savings account. Try to get to at least a month or two of living expenses.

    Once you’re there (months of living expenses) open a free retail trading account such as E-Trade, or Robinhood. Buy what you can of the big ETF’s such as VTI, VOO, SPY, SPYG etc… do this every month and don’t get discouraged when it goes down. After a year you’ll start to see dividends payout (literally) they will be small at first. Never sell it, always let the dividend reinvest. After 2 years you’ll start to see a noticeable return on investment. After three it gets better yet… There is a YouTube channel called Chris invests that is really good for this kind of thing. I highly highly recommend it.

    RaoulDook,

    I lost about 2k by investing in SPYG at the wrong time, lol. At least they are still unrealized losses since I haven’t sold

    mortalic,

    Think about it in a multi year strategy. So far, since it’s inception the market always goes up. Billionaires get richer when it goes up, even if hedge funds short the crap out of it, so it’s still a good bet.

    Now I hope I don’t eat those words, but I’ve literally pulled myself out of poverty with this strategy which I started around 2007 or so. I’m not rich, I still have to work, but I can now have nice things.

    Moneo,

    It’s at it’s highest ever point? The whole point of growth ETFs is buy and forget, you’re not supposed to check it everyday and be upset when you’ve “lost” money because the markets are down from the day before.

    RaoulDook,

    Nope it is not. Current SPYG share price is $63.05 and I bought it at $72

    Chetzemoka,

    Sign up for a health savings account and USE IT. (United States specific advice.)

    It lowers your taxable income. The only caveat is you have to remember to use that money to buy things you were already going to buy anyway. Convenient hack to know what you can and can’t use: Doordash now labels HSA-eligible items at CVS. You don’t have to actually use Doordash to see which items you can buy with your HSA card.

    Cowbee,

    You actually don’t have to spend money with an HSA, ever. You can invest it, and it rolls over. FSAs must be spent within the year you contribute, though.

    Chetzemoka,

    Sorry, I didn’t say that clearly. What I mean is you have to remember to use the damn HSA card when you go to buy Tylenol instead of your normal payment method. This is…where I tend to fail lol

    Cowbee,

    It’s also good to not use it, if you can afford to keep it and spend normally. HSA space is extremely limited, because it’s by far the best retirement account available. FSAs are fantastic for spending, as they don’t have as many restrictions and don’t carry over year over year.

    DrMango,

    If you save the receipt you can send it in to your HSA provider and have the expense reimbursed from your HSA. You can do this for many many years after the actual purchase date

    DrMango, (edited )

    There is a massive list of HSA eligible expenses, too. I am not advocating that people go out and spend their HSA money frivolously, but if you need to buy something that seems medical-related and you already have HSA funds, maybe look into getting reimbursed.

    The coolest one to me is if you’re overweight or at risk for things like diabetes or atherosclerosis you may be able to get your doctor to write you a note allowing you to get things like fitness classes, gym membership fees, or fitness equipment (stationary bike, treadmill, etc.) paid with your HSA funds. In many cases prevention is the cure, and exercise is hugely hugely beneficial in preventing and managing a wide range of maladies so if you stick to it you may actually be saving yourself an even bigger medical expense down the line.

    www.healthequity.com/hsa-qme

    BlackNo1,

    steal

    Norgur,

    Yeah. Just take shit. If society can't take care of those in need, the needy cannot be blamed for taking matters into their own hands.

    TurboDiesel,
    @TurboDiesel@lemmy.world avatar

    Remember, if you see someone stealing food, no you fuckin’ didn’t.

    minnieo,
    @minnieo@kbin.social avatar

    preach. this or basic necessities like socks, underwear, gloves, pads, tampons, body wash, shampoo, hygiene products in general, etc etc.

    itslilith,
    @itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    or anything, really. stores are insured, poor people are not

    Crow,
    @Crow@lemmy.world avatar

    I still can’t justify people stealing stuff they don’t need so they can resell it for a quick buck. Especially people stealing from independent businesses.

    swordsmanluke,

    I mean, yeah, sure. …but I’m still conflicted about the local heroin addicts standing in the frozen aisle scarfing a bucket of ice cream.

    I mean, I don’t really give a shit about the theft, but they tend to stand there with the door open and thaw the rest of the ice cream while they’re at it. It’s enough of an issue locally that a couple of local chains have literally started chaining up their ice cream like it’s the goddamn crown jewels. I just want non-crystallized ice cream!

    Also… In my experience, people mostly don’t steal food outside of cases like having the heroin hungries. Food banks do an okay job at keeping people fed at least. (Aside: When you donate to your local food bank, donate money, not food! They can buy much more food in bulk - your dollars will go farther that way!) Mostly, I see people stealing things like resaleable electronics or OTC drugs that have useful precursor chems.

    Don’t get me wrong - I know fuckin’ Krogers can take it. I just see this meme about seeing people stealing food and like… That’s mostly not a thing. Food banks and food stamps work okay. They aren’t great, the food often sucks - but generally speaking, you don’t have to steal food to survive when you’re poor in America. You might need to steal drugs and airpods though.

    Hyperreality,

    Also: piracy.

    shinigamiookamiryuu,

    Wearing thick clothes instead of paying for heating.

    turkelton,

    Yes and also get a hot water bottle - thay direct heat is also just super cozy

    shinigamiookamiryuu,

    Wouldn’t the plastic melt?

    sukhmel,

    Not every plastic, but you’ve got the point, turns out PET softens at 70°C

    LDPE bottles are more suitable for the task although I wouldn’t pour outright boiling water in those.

    turkelton,
    9715698,

    Also drink tea, or just mix some boiled water with your regular water. Drinking room temp water when your room is cold will make you feel cold.

    massive_bereavement,
    @massive_bereavement@kbin.social avatar

    Get a thermos that has proper insulation and you will have a cold/hot drink for half a day.

    AlphaOmega,

    Or get a small room heater and use it instead of central heat

    themeatbridge,

    Electric heaters may actually cost more in electric bills than you would spend on heating. It depends on the type of heating and the size of your space, but something like natural gas might cost less to keep the whole house at 65 degrees, rather than trying to warm a single room from 45 degrees with a space heater.

    AlphaOmega,

    Well in my case we spent $500 on heating centrally and only about $200 after switching to space heaters

    Nollij,

    This gets complicated. The small heater is almost certain to be resistive electric heat. Your central heat could be anything. In my area, the gas furnace is usually cheaper to run for the entire house than it is for a space heater in a single room.

    OTOH, if you have a resistive electric furnace, your advice is spot on

    whaleross, (edited )
    @whaleross@lemmy.world avatar

    Cook your own food. Ready made meals will always be made with as much cheap non nutritional filler as possible. Learn how to use a few spices, buy produce that is cheap with the season and keep track of weekly discounts in your local stores. It will save you money, you’ll eat better and it’s rewarding to have a tasty meal in the end.

    Also I’m surprised how many people don’t seem to understand pricing in general. When comparing prices, see the price per weight or volume. That is money/kilogram or money/liter (substitute with freedom units). Money per package can be deceiving if you compare 75 money for a smaller package or 95 money for a larger.

    Edit: If the need to learn spices makes you overwhelmed, start out with some spice mixes! Pick a couple of different blends that are different, like one Cajun Mix and one Mediterranean and one oh idk something else culturally generic. Also salt, pepper, paprika and bullion. There. You can make lots of different sorts of foods and learn on the way what spices you like. Don’t be afraid to experiment. Don’t get discouraged. Some stuff will turn out meh, but others will make you go wow. All of those are learning experiences for the future!

    EldritchFeminity,

    On the cooking one, I also recommend cooking double portions when you can. If you can cook twice as much with minimal effort, that’s half the cleaning you have to do afterwards and half the meal planning you have to do. You get up in the morning and know that you have leftovers from dinner ready to go for lunch in the fridge. Also, rice. Rice is cheap, good for you, and incredibly flexible in what you can do with it. A rice cooker is also a great appliance to have in general. Not only is it an easy set and forget for a pot of rice, but you can do all sorts of meals in it from steaming meats and vegetables to cooking soups and even baking desserts. An air fryer is similarly flexible and great for making meals for one person. You don’t have to preheat it or anything and it doesn’t cost all the energy that a full size oven does.

    whaleross,
    @whaleross@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s true. Food prep is great for the economy and also for the soul. You can generally find larger amounts cheaper per weight and it’s nice to know them you get home and are tired that there is some good food waiting to be reheated.

    paddirn,

    You can save money if you go without eating at least one meal a day.

    pdxfed,

    Coffee and half a banana and aim for dinner.

    Eat at work if you can. Coffee at work if you can save time and money.

    CmdrShepard,

    It’s probably good advice to eat at least one meal a day

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