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Sheeple, (edited ) in Parkable cities
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

Fun fact from Germany! These giant Christmas markets actually double as parking lots outside of holiday seasons! Everything is temporarily built on top of a giant parking lot!

Furthermore these tend to be close to both major hubs (Think like a central train station!) and some other event areas that DO need the parking (like a football stadium!). That way, while the holiday markets (plural, several a year) are off, the space can also be used as parking space for sports events hosted in the adjacent stadium!

Just some amazing German efficiency for you. Oh also they frequently get used as skateparks.

tenacious_mucus,

Also to add (having just spent a good portion of the season going to various Christmas Markets all over Central Europe), a lot of times these central square event spaces are essentially the roofs over underground parking garages. LOTS of multi-level underground parking garages in all these cities.

XTL,

Well, they’ve probably been markets for some hundreds of years before they dug a parking cave underneath. Old cities especially get increasingly cramped with time.

grue,

I’m reading that less as “amazing German efficiency” and more as “WTF, they waste the space on a parking lot the rest of the year?”

Sheeple, (edited )
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

It’s called an event space and it can’t be occupied all year. There’s stuff going on pretty frequently but when it ain’t, it’s gonna have to be a skatepark + parking lot.

It ain’t just Christmas. There’s holiday markets for every season and even off holiday there is frequent flea markets. It’s even where popular bands will hold their concerts. Without a dedicated space like that, it’s impossible to set up these kind of markets and fairs. It’s inevitable that some days it’ll sit empty.

You try setting up a ferris wheel and rollercoaster in the cramped areas of the city. It won’t work.

grue,

When it isn’t otherwise occupied, instead of a parking lot, it could just be a park.

Sheeple, (edited )
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

You mean a park LIKE THIS? https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/2fc8c921-a5bd-4958-b6ce-fa08ec22e3f7.jpeg

By the way: same locationhttps://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f876984f-25ae-4ec6-9ea2-36b25d68c588.jpeg

I’m wondering where your reading comprehension is.

grue, (edited )

I’m wondering where your reading comprehension is.

It’s at the part where you wrote (emphasis added):

There’s stuff going on pretty frequently but when it ain’t, it’s gonna have to be a skatepark + parking lot.

Don’t fucking tell me it’s a parking lot and then accuse me of lack of reading comprehension when I call it a parking lot!

accideath,

As a German, I have never been to a Christmas market held in an event park. I know Christmas markets as just occupying the town square or city centre instead of a dedicated area away from it.

Event parks are in my experience usually just used for fairs, food festivals and sometimes concerts.

Longmactoppedup, (edited ) in Go ahead.

That’s why we call those type of “bike lanes” a murder strip.

Have them where I live too.

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Albbi,

I got “Invalid Dynamic Link” on your link.

Longmactoppedup,

Same. Not sure what happened there. Have replaced with it’s lat long.

kernelle,

Holy shit lmao

LemmyKnowsBest,

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  • chicken,

    took a lot of training and tests to qualify to drive on roads

    Those tests are stupidly easy

    LemmyKnowsBest,

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  • chicken,

    Point is having a drivers license does not mean very much about whether you are competent at driving.

    rcbrk,

    Heh. Wishful thinking.

    randomivysaur,

    4PWQ2WR3+MQ here’s a plus code for ye (apparently Google’s open-source alternative coordinate thing and their solution to unaddressed areas)

    rcbrk, (edited )

    All around Vic, too. They generally don’t even put in a bike lane, just say “use the emergency lane”. Here’s a sequence of images for one on the freeway in to Melbourne from Ballarat, starting from the onramp:

    Onramp with sign declaring bicycles permitted on this freeway

    Further along the onramp, sign saying to form 1 lane

    also on the onramp, yellow diamond sign with bicycle symbol

    sign beside the now-merging lane directing cyclists to ride on the shoulder

    sign at the end of the merge, 110 speed limit.

    This whole stretch of freeway is 110 km/h (70mph). There are skid marks where vehicles have bailed out of a failing 110km/h merge.

    The shoulder is the emergency lane. It’s where drivers pull over into if there’s an unavoidable hazard ahead or their brakes are failing or something.

    rcbrk, (edited )

    There used to be a sign “helping” cyclists already on the freeway by telling them “cross here with care”:

    sign directing cyclists on the freeway to cross the merging lane at a slightly safer location

    But it was obliterated by a vehicle:

    same sign, obliterated by a vehicle

    WetBeardHairs,

    I was looking to find the mangled remains of a cycle embedded in the turf just off the side of one of those images.

    hperrin, in ... and you feel nothing.

    Don’t forget that you can’t haul much because the dumbass designers sloped the walls of your bed. You have plenty of room for friends though, if you could make any.

    Gargantu8,

    Just like most pickup trucks sold with too short beds and a crew cab lol. At least this one is electric despite being fugly

    hperrin,

    The vast majority of pickups don’t have sloped bed walls. The only other one I can think of is the Chevy Avalanche, and they aren’t sloped the whole way to the tailgate, only part way.

    rockSlayer,

    There’s also the Hyundai Santa Cruz. It’s a similarly ugly truck that screams “I want a car that’s also tall”

    _danny,

    I would personally bet a full paycheck that in two years, most of these trucks have hauled no more than like a few pieces of furniture, a couple 2x4s, and maybe some bags of potting soil or mulch.

    Definitely justifies daily driving a 7000lb, bullet proof, pedestrian slicer.

    HiddenLayer5, (edited )
    @HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml avatar

    No sane industrial or construction operator is buying a Cybertruck. They’d probably get the base model F150 Lightning or something if they wanted electric, you know, like they’ve already been doing.

    taladar,

    I mean to be fair most pickup trucks and SUVs are fugly too, just not quite this bad.

    Gargantu8,

    Agreed

    Stanwich,

    Fuck my ridgeline feels big!

    Kecessa,

    Wasn’t sure what your meant…

    Bottom is release version

    https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/0dfb7cc9-fac5-4e67-8153-593069981d5f.png

    Anticorp,

    That’s about the level of craftsmanship I expect to see in a wheelbarrow from Harbor Freight.

    harry_balzac,

    I’m not sure. Their wheelbarrows are probably going to last longer and haul more than a CyberTruck.

    the_q,

    People with big trucks didn’t haul anything anyway. It’s all just manly cosplay.

    CADmonkey, in same bed length

    When my little 4-cylinder truck wore out in 2021, I looked so hard for one of the little kei trucks. But all of the ones I could find were $20k, or they were $15k and needed a lot of work to be driveable. And none of them were within 200 miles of my location.

    I ended up with a used base-model F150 which only cost me $12k. It had 81k miles on it. As near as I can figure out, it started life as a rental truck for a hardware store called “Menards”. It has an 8ft bed, no carpet, no power locks, no power windows, no back seat, no touchscreen, and no color LCD screen in the gauge cluster. I use this truck for a small farm that my wife and I run, so it doesn’t get driven every day.

    Im still looking for a kei truck, though.

    Anticorp,

    That’s a pretty great deal on an F150. Nice!

    CADmonkey,

    It was half the price of the next cheapest truck on the lot, and the next cheapest truck had twice the miles. But the next cheapest truck had all the whiz-bang fancy electronics, instead of being four wheels and a truck bed.

    tty5, (edited )

    Try carused.jp - they’ll find you a truck matching your requirements, arrange shipping and even customs.

    I recommend Suzuki Carry da52t 4x4 - you should be able to get a low mileage one for 5-6k all in.

    CADmonkey,

    The Suzuki Carry is the one I really wanted. I’ve a soft spot for tiny suzuki vehicles.

    Every time I mention not being able to find one in early 2022, people come along to show me where I can get one now. The issue was, I couldn’t find one when I needed it.

    tty5,

    If you still want one as indicated in the comment I responded to contact carused with what you want and they’ll notify you when it’s available

    reluctantpornaccount,

    I think you mean carused.jp.

    tty5,

    Yes, fixed. Thank you

    HiddenLayer5, in Go ahead.
    @HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml avatar

    It’s basically an IRL Happy Wheels level.

    Look, it even has the speed booster thing that launches you into the gauntlet!

    rustydrd, in insane infrastructure needed
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    European here, wtf am I looking at?

    swope, in 280 million e-bikes are slashing oil demand far more than electric cars. E-bikes and scooters displace 4x as much demand for oil as all of the EVs in the world.
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    I think ebike, scooter, etc. usage will increase even more if we mod infrastructure to be safer for everyone.

    Uranium3006,
    @Uranium3006@kbin.social avatar

    we need to infiltrate civil engineering standards boards and make protected bike lanes mandatory for all roads with 4 or more car lanes or speed limits over 25 mph. then they'll be the default everywhere because going against code will invite lawsuits

    doingthestuff,

    Yeah they aren’t even allowed on the roads where I live so I never see them except on the Internet.

    Delphia,

    This is the kicker. They are a pretty good solution now, but they could be amazing.

    At least in my country they need to hammer out a consistent set of rules and laws regarding their use. Last time I checked the vast majority of them are effectively illegal because under current laws they are too powerful to be considered an assisted pushbike, you cant register them as a roadgoing vehicle because they dont have indicators and brake lights and you cant ride them on the footpath because riding on the footpath is against the law.

    Which puts them in that lovely legal space of “Does a cop want to fuck with me today?” Fortunately our police tend to be pretty cool on the subject because they know that technically taking it out of your house is illegal which is dumb.

    Moonrise2473, in same bed length

    Yes but one is for work while the other is a compensation device

    tetris11,
    @tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

    the larger one does do more:

    • Pick up 3 extra people
    • Can roll down the back window to let long planks of wood through

    These are the only extra advantages I can see, and they are seldom use cases at best.

    Fine, if you’re a contractor driving your workers to/from work whilst carrying all the equipment, on a daily basis, such a truck is very useful.

    But how many people who drive these do that?

    menemen,
    @menemen@lemmy.world avatar

    The 3 extra people is a valid reason to not want the smaller truck. Still wouldn’t need to be so monstrous.

    Tak, (edited )
    @Tak@lemmy.ml avatar

    Nobody does work out of that truck, it has a bed cover and the wheels don’t look like they have any mud or dirt caked in the tread/wheels. It’s a little pavement princess that probably carries one person 75% of the time.

    M0oP0o, (edited )
    @M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

    25% is really high. I doubt most of these ever see another ass.

    uis,
    @uis@lemmy.world avatar

    On the other side based on what I hear about american obesety, it can carry only 3 asses: one for each row including bed.

    uis, (edited )
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    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/GAZel-Marshrutka_of_Piteravto_in_Tosno.jpg/250px-GAZel-Marshrutka_of_Piteravto_in_Tosno.jpg

    • Pick up 20 extra people
    • Or pick up 30 extra people if some of them can stay
    • Have enclosed trunk(you still can leave doors in the back open)
    • Lower bed
    • Can carry bigger payloads
    tetris11,
    @tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

    fair point, plus it’s cheaper

    teft, in Go ahead.
    @teft@startrek.website avatar

    I wouldn’t mind too much. Just gonna take me a few minutes to get up to merging speed.

    SkyezOpen,

    If you don’t have solid rocket boosters on your bike for highway travel, what are you doing with your life?

    queermunist, (edited ) in 280 million e-bikes are slashing oil demand far more than electric cars. E-bikes and scooters displace 4x as much demand for oil as all of the EVs in the world.
    @queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

    Fuck yes ebikes!

    Not only do they slash oil demand, but manufacturing and maintaining an ebike has a fraction of the environmental impact of an electric car. Also, you can do a lot of the maintenance yourself with cheap tools and a small amount of work space. Also also, makes my ass look good~🍑

    HiddenLayer5, (edited )
    @HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml avatar

    Also, unironically, e-bikes are more fun than cars. You feel the acceleration much more on a bike than a car despite moving slower, and the breeze going by you feels pretty nice too.

    Not to mention a lot less likely to kill someone.

    PeepinGoodArgs,

    I remember the first time I went about 30 mph on my conventional bike down a hill. I had so much fun, I went up the short hill again!

    I’m graduating soon and plan to reward myself with something pricey. An e-bike is a strong contender because I hate driving my car as much as I do.

    apprehensively_human, in The world's 280 million electric bikes and mopeds are cutting demand for oil far more than electric cars

    All I ask is an e-bike and a path to ride her by.

    OprahsedCreature,

    If they could combine that with weather protection and more public transportation the car might finally die that final sweet death.

    nooneescapesthelaw,

    I wish i could also move more people with me on the bicycle

    It would also be great if there was some sort of heater/AC in it as well

    frostbiker,

    I wish i could also move more people with me on the bicycle

    Depending on the size of those people: bike child seat, bike trailer, or they can ride their own bicycle. Cargo bikes can easily carry two kids or one adult without even using a trailer.

    It would also be great if there was some sort of heater/AC in it as well

    That is called “dress for the weather”. Even snowflake pinko commies like me can do it.

    ZiemekZ,

    That is called “dress for the weather”.

    Sorry, for majority of workers who can work remotely “dress for the weather” means staying in pyjamas, because bad weather means WFH.

    Zpiritual,

    I ride from -20 to +35C in basically any weather and since jackets and shorts exist that’s all that’s needed. My friends have their own bikes they can ride…

    Tippon,

    Not much good if you’ve got to take the kids shopping though.

    Zpiritual,

    What? Why? I biked since I was like 5 with my parents to wherever including supermarket. Not sure what you mean honestly.

    apprehensively_human,

    People be growing up knowing nothing but absolute car dependency and the infrastructure that comes with it. They cannot fathom any other way of existing.

    Tippon,

    People be privileged and not realising that their way of life is not suitable for everyone. Bikes are not the answer to every question.

    apprehensively_human, (edited )

    I should have been more verbose. We as a society (in North America especially but also elsewhere) have suffered through decades of redlining that has resulted in racial and economic divides.

    The wealthiest suburbs are being subsidized by the poorest neighbourhoods with all the money being funneled into infrastructure that directly supports car dependency.

    In order to participate in society, you are now required to own, maintain and insure your own vehicle(s).

    I am suggesting that we’ve been robbed of a way of life where cars are not necessary to survive. Where your kids can hop on their own bikes and safely take themselves to where they need to go without worrying about if they’ll be struck by a car.

    I’m talking about active transport not as a hobby for the privileged, but as a normality for all.

    Tippon,

    Where I am there are hills everywhere. You know that old joke about walking five miles uphill to school in the snow, and ten miles uphill to get home? That’s here. Plus, it’s the UK, so when it snows, the roads and pavements are lethal.

    Plus, some people have kids under 5 😉

    More seriously though, because of the amount of hills, and the fact that most people work all day, bikes are not the best option here. The nearest supermarket is several miles away with a lot of hills in between. If you’ve got plenty of free time, riding to the shops with the kids could be fun, but for most people public transport is the answer. It’s just a shame that it’s terrible here .

    frostbiker, (edited )

    Plus, some people have kids under 5

    Yup, that’s us. We walk, use transit, or the kid rides on her bike child seat.

    E-bikes exist if you don’t have the legs to tackle those hills yet.

    Tippon,

    I’d love to get an ebike, but at the moment the price is too high, from what I’ve seen. The cheapest ones seem to be over £1,000, unless you get the little fold up bikes, but they don’t look like they’d be comfortable for a long ride where you’re pedaling lots.

    A gravel bike style would be better here too, simply because we’re in the valleys, and lots of the trails are a bit rough.

    Back to the point though, getting to the shops and carrying a week’s worth of shopping on a bike with young kids is impractical here. It would be great if it was practical, but other than the hills, we don’t have the infrastructure for the most part. The roads have to be shared, even if it’s just for now, and there are lots of stretches here where there’s not the room for bikes with motor vehicles, and especially not on the pavements. This time of year is even worse - it’s dark in the morning and night, and the weather is usually crap. All of it increases the risk of accidents, and that’s the last thing any of us want.

    Zpiritual,

    Well I live in Sweden and we have snow here too buddy. Lousy public transport sucks though, but that’s what you get in a carcentric society, no options…

    Tippon,

    Exactly, you live in a country that doesn’t shut down because of half a millimetre of snow. We genuinely get public transport shutting down if there’s snow, and we’ve infamously had trains stop running because of the wrong type of leaves on the line. For a country that mostly has adverse weather conditions, we’re absolutely useless if the weather’s anything but dry and sunny.

    I honestly don’t know what we can do here to get better public transport and encourage people away from cars. Once you’re further down the valley, there’s enough room to build other transport methods alongside the roads to allow a transition, but further up, there’s barely enough room for cars to pass each other in some places, which means that buses would struggle too, and there’s no room to make a one way loop to free up space either.

    mosiacmango, (edited )

    Weather protection comes with a good jacket you can buy with the money you dont spend on cars.

    I rode in all weather for years. Rain or shine, you really do get used to it.

    thisisnotgoingwell,

    Same with motorcycles. All year is motorcycle weather for me

    ZiemekZ,

    Jacket doesn’t do shit for rain. Believe me, I’m an Aspie and I have too much sensory issues for getting out of home in bad weather. The day it rains is the day i WFH. All the problems stem from the fact that the jacket is too close to the body, generating sweat (and I already sweat too much without it), not to mention it’s not watertight. An enclosed velomobile would probably solve the problem, but I don’t think this sort of vehicle is legal in Poland and can guarantee getting to the office as fast as I’d on a motorcycle or even a moped.

    frostbiker,

    I rode in all weather for years

    Same. And that includes snow and ice, for those at the back that think that riding a bike in winter is only possible in LA. If people can walk in that weather, people can ride a bike even more easily as the exercise keeps you warmer.

    ZiemekZ,

    And a small distance to my destination. When my previous job was 8 km from home, I could do the journey in half an hour on a Xiaomi M365 e-scooter, very popular in Poland. But unfortunately our company was absorbed by another one, with office 16 km away, which means prohibitively long (for my sleep-deprived ass) 55 minute commute. And no, public transit doesn’t make it shorter. So a motorcycle driving license it is.

    chepox, in Parents Of Baby In Carjacked Vehicle Are Suing VW For Refusing To Assist Police

    They dropped off the kid in a park further down and then left the truck a few miles after. Kid was OK.

    lemann, in NYC MTA sets Manhattan congestion price at $15 for most vehicles, just one MTA vote left before the first congestion pricing in North America

    Sounds good overall, should reduce traffic levels significantly and make people consider whether they really need to drive their car in such a compact city.

    Not sure if I agree with tolling motorcycles though, they don’t take up anywhere near the same footprint as the average car

    EasternLettuce,

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  • Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
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    The last time I was in NYC I was awoken by some asshole running his motorcycle up and down sixth avenue at five in the goddamn morning. And I was on the 14th floor of a hotel.

    The fact that they weren't drawn and quartered in the street shows what a lawless place NYC is.

    RubberElectrons,
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s cuz most of us aren’t thin skinned piss-babies. Bit of noise in a very loud city, shut the fuck up and deal.

    Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
    @Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

    There’s that welcoming New York attitude.

    No wonder I avoid it

    RubberElectrons, (edited )
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s the only place I know where people have argued with each other on how to best help a tourist out.

    Look, this is a city where you have wealthy business owners and blue collar folk living across the street from one another, literary geniuses and creatives living next door to programmers and engineers… the people who live and thrive here are makers and doers, in every avenue of human adventure we can yet think of.

    That a bit of noise is all it takes to get you to miss how wonderfully unique this situation is, of all walks of life talking, reading, eating and living with each other, is a damning indictment of how tough you actually are, and how much you bring to the table.

    Can’t handle it? Wahh.

    E: Each downvote on this comment is an admission that you, the downvoter, are similarly rigid. Prove me wrong.

    Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
    @Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

    Yet another great example of the NYC mindset

    RubberElectrons, (edited )
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    Certainly better than the alternative. Take care now! 🤭

    Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
    @Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

    It’s so NYC to think there’s only two mindsets: You, and everyone else

    RubberElectrons, (edited )
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    Nah man, I absolutely don’t think that’s the case, not is that the case for any fellow city folk. My previous post should have made that real clear. We got all walks of life walking and talking, and a lot of us travel too. We see what we have, and what’s out there as well.

    One thing you won’t see me doing is talking shit on other people’s home towns, because that’s low class and low quality thinking. I don’t particularly like small towns or suburbs for social reasons, some people do. That’s ok.

    Wake up, do something interesting for a change.

    Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
    @Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

    If you think that’s me talking bad about NYC then you’re way too fragile to actually be from NYC

    RubberElectrons,
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    Cool. Still think you’re boring, only had noise to comment about. Cheers.

    Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
    @Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

    And yet you continue to reply? Definitely not a New Yorker.

    RubberElectrons,
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    Ah man. I hate to break it to you, but your last attempt at a girlfriend was right about you before she left. The lacking creativity and energy thing.

    Good luck to you.

    Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
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    Definitely not a New Yorker. They’re much better at insults.

    RubberElectrons,
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    Lol ah you got me with your creativity again. Oh it hurts.

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  • Albbi,

    At least their vehicles aren’t obnoxiously noisy.

    RubberElectrons,
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    Aww, someone’s mad they got stuck in traffic while the bike carefully rolled past. Aww 🤭

    EasternLettuce,

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  • RubberElectrons, (edited )
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    Well aware. Working on remedying that, section 1252 needs amending.

    AtariDump, (edited )

    “Carefully rolled past”

    More like lane split 20+ mph more than traffic was going in an unsafe manor.

    RubberElectrons, (edited )
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    Some morons like to gamble, most of us don’t because of how low (aka zero) reward is vs risk.

    But you’ll always remember the people in life making the insane choices vs the regular folk.

    AtariDump, (edited )

    I absolutely remember how many motorcycles lane spilt safely.

    Zero.

    And that’s before we talk about the crotch rockets that pass me going 90+ weaving in and out of traffic.

    Your vehicle doesn’t make you special; wait in traffic like the rest of the motor vehicles on the road.

    RubberElectrons,
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar
    AtariDump, (edited )

    Your vehicle doesn’t make you special; wait in traffic like the rest of the motor vehicles on the road.

    You’d be PISSED if you were in line at the grocery store with a full cart of groceries and someone with 5 items “filtered” around you without your consent because they’ll be faster.

    RubberElectrons,
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    Faulty logic appears to be a forte.

    Why should I wait? Do you know what an air cooled engine is? I incur more risk in driving specifically for the benefits of agility and compactness.

    I’m sorry that my ability to go past you makes you upset, but again, I’m exposing myself to significantly more danger specifically for the benefits including the ability to not be stopped by the car in front of me, much higher mpgs, lower cost of ownership, etc.

    Do you get mad at bicycles because they don’t operate the same as cars? I pass you in the bike lane all the time on my bicycle.

    AtariDump,

    Your vehicle doesn’t make you special; wait in traffic like the rest of the motor vehicles on the road.

    RubberElectrons, (edited )
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    No thanks! We’re working on changing the laws to accommodate our less polluting, more fun, more efficient vehicles. Enjoy your traffic!

    AtariDump,

    Your vehicle doesn’t make you special; wait in traffic like the rest of the motor vehicles on the road.

    RubberElectrons,
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    No thanks! We’re working on changing the laws to accommodate our less polluting, more fun, more efficient vehicles. Enjoy your traffic!

    AtariDump,

    Your vehicle doesn’t make you special; wait in traffic like the rest of the motor vehicles on the road.

    RubberElectrons,
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    No thanks! We’re working on changing the laws to accommodate our less polluting, more fun, more efficient vehicles. Enjoy your traffic!

    AtariDump,

    Broken bones sure are fun when you get into an accident on your donorcycle.

    Which you will, because you’re not following the laws.

    RubberElectrons, (edited )
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    At least my life will have been more fun and interesting than yours 👍

    Also: laws protect nobody until after the fact. Even in your car, you’re expected to keep your wits about you.

    Either way, I’m usually passing people at about 10mph faster than they are in slow traffic, about the speed of a bicycle. When someone wants to change lanes, crossing my path, plenty of time for me to slow down and let them do their thing. If I don’t keep moving at least a little bit, my motorcycle will overheat as it is not water-cooled.

    AtariDump,

    Your vehicle doesn’t make you special; wait in traffic like the rest of the motor vehicles on the road.

    RubberElectrons,
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    No thanks! We’re working on changing the laws to accommodate our less polluting, more fun, more efficient vehicles. Enjoy your traffic!

    AtariDump,

    Your vehicle doesn’t make you special; wait in traffic like the rest of the motor vehicles on the road.

    RubberElectrons,
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    No thanks! We’re working on changing the laws to accommodate our less polluting, more fun, more efficient vehicles. Enjoy your traffic!

    AtariDump, (edited )

    Your vehicle doesn’t make you special; wait in traffic like the rest of the motor vehicles on the road.

    Enjoy your broken bones when someone sideswipes you for driving like a dick.

    RubberElectrons,
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    What a nice person you are. I’d never wish something so terrible on you just because we disagree. Happy holidays.

    akilou,

    Well what are we tolling? Square footage? Noise? Carbon emissions? Deaths and injuries? Yes. Motorcycles are better in some categories and worse in others

    FireRetardant,

    Motorcycles are loud and the exhaust can be pretty bad, we don’t want everyone buying one to get around the congestion fees. They still take up more space than a standard bicycle or someone who took the subway.

    lemann,

    fair point that I didn’t consider! my assumption would be traffic, seeing as the toll is branded as “congestion pricing” - which wouldn’t really make sense for motorcycles because they make up so little of the actual cause of traffic in NYC (large motor vehicles).

    If we’re talking about noise though, and how clean the engine burns fuel, motorcycles are 100% guilty as charged IMO.

    Deaths and injuries is a little muddier because there are several factors at play, fault could lie on any individual involved in the accident, or maybe even the road design itself. I don’t think these would be robust enough to use as the sole basis for a toll fee

    RubberElectrons, (edited )
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    I and most other people are riding around on stock engines with stock exhausts. Those confirm to stricter quiet standards in Japan than anywhere in the US.

    To your second point, modern car engines have efficiency gains due to important innovations like direct fuel injection, whereas most motorcycles are stuck with port injection, a limitation currently forced by the fear of having a very high pressure fuel pump between rider’s legs…

    In spite of that, total bike emissions are lower for the same distance vs a car, we’re not lugging an entire chassis, air conditioning etc. The result is that even carbureted bikes from the 80s could go 55-60mpg. Bikes also have much lower engine displacement, your v6 2L has about 2000 cm^3 of air and fuel burned per revolution, whereas most motorcycles are in the 6-800 cm^3 range, per rev.

    Manufacturers could make them quieter, but that adds both weight and cost, more of one if you adjust the other. I look forward to electric bikes with great range, as I don’t really do more than 350 miles on my long trips unless I’m late for something.

    E: looks like Japan relaxed their standards since 2013, per some internal documentation, see slide 9 for harmonized requirements. Still quiet, all things considered.

    azertyfun,

    Motorcycles are still FAR noisier than cars, even brand new with the OEM exhaust. I don’t think my stock bike is overly obnoxious, but it’s certainly the noisiest vehicle around most of the time. Modern cars you don’t even necessarily notice the engine from further than a few feet away.

    Also, motorcycles have lower carbon emissions than most cars, but higher everything else. Can’t exactly fit a catalytic converter on there. NOx, fine particulates, etc, are all much worse than a car’s IIRC.

    In the end these factors don’t matter much because motorcycles in the West are mostly a hobby, so there’s typically not enough of us to be a huge societal problem. However, if I’m going in the city I usually opt for my ebike because I live close enough and it doesn’t make sense to annoy everyone with my noisy dinosaur fart machine.

    RubberElectrons, (edited )
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    You’re partially correct, older bikes didn’t have catalytic converters. Compliance with Euro 5 means all new models past… 2018 I think, must have one equipped.

    As for noise, 75db is louder than a modern car, but we don’t have room onboard to dissipate a lot of the sound energy like a car’s long, standing-wave tuned exhaust does.

    I don’t have a car, just a bicycle and motorcycle. I like them both, though I trust my bicycle more when there’s a blizzard.

    P.s. I also like fortnine videos, he’s mostly correct (though dead wrong about physicists being the grownup version of engineers) but look at the data for yourself. Keep in mind all these values are far, far lower than they used to be. We shouldn’t stop striving for better, but we should keep things in perspective too: bts.gov/…/estimated-national-average-vehicle-emis…

    lemann,

    Neat, thanks for the additional insight!

    KISSmyOS, in same bed length

    Yeah OK, but only in one of these trucks can I safely text and drive.

    Flax_vert,

    Booze cruise

    Cannacheques,

    Cops 🕵️👀

    FireRetardant,

    Pretty sure that is unsafe in any truck if you are the driver.

    TimewornTraveler, (edited )

    I’m guessing it was a joke meaning “I might kill others but I’ll survive”

    CombatWombatEsq, in How Cars Turned Into Giant Killers

    All in all, car bloat has increased vehicle prices while making autos more destructive to human life, natural ecosystems, and pavement alike. Because the full societal costs of crashes, pollution, and road repairs are not borne by owners of SUVs and trucks, every American is effectively subsidizing car bloat. Even if they drive a sedan. Even if they don’t own a car at all.

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