I’m in the minority here but I got it done to me as a kid (no choice, barely aware etc) and I’m grateful for it. Just way cleaner overall and no discernible difference - there’s the rumor that it affects sensitivity but I’m just as horny as the rest of the damn men are. Also because I was so young (or maybe the docs at the hospital were skilled), the only scar is a tiny scab on the under side that doesn’t affect anything. I wouldn’t endorse it for children but I can’t argue it was terrible either.
It affecting sensitivity is not a rumour, it’s a fact. There are nerve endings in the foreskin. Ergo, it must remove sensitivity. And this can be corroborated by many who get the procedure done as adults.
And the “way cleaner” thing makes zero sense unless you don’t have access to running water. The world outside of the US + Middle East aren’t walking around with dirty dicks, and if you don’t have running water, all of you will be dirty regardless.
There are babies in the US that die each year from circumcision complications. It causes pain. It reduces sensitivity. Plenty of them are done "traditionally’ - i.e. without any pain relief or sterilisation. It leaves scars. 5% of circumcisions are botched, sometimes causing pain and discomfort - particularly during sex - for the man’s whole lifetime.
It’s completely unnecessary, and barbaric.
The fact that we’re in 2024 and there’s still places out there cutting parts of the dick off of babies as a religious or quasi-religious (in the case of the US) ceremony is crazy.
Getting it done as an adult is fine. You consented. I’m also fine with piercings or tattoos on adults but not on babies for the same reason. Though that’s a bit of a false equivalence as genital mutilation is more dangerous and less reversible than those other two, so I guess I find them less objectionable, though still fucked up.
Getting it done out of medical necessity is also fine, for pretty obvious reasons.
I’m not saying cleanliness is a problem, it’s just easier to clean. If you exercise often, it’s easier to maintain a short hairstyle clean than a long one for example.
‘Horny’ may have not been the best term to use but I hope the message got across. If I was more sensitive before getting cc’d, then I must have had one hell of a hair trigger
the reason he mentioned the horny bit was ironically the exact reason this was started in the first place, because the man who tried to make a cereal so boring it would kill morning wood, said it would make people less horny (well not just Kellogg but many others as well)
Lol how is it cleaner? You just wash your dick and it is clean anyways. You are juat trying to justify it because you dont want to blame your parents for cutting pieces off you to fit their aesthetic.
Because he’s A) talking nonsense, and B) making genital mutilation of babies sound like it’s not that bad.
You want part of your dick cut off? Cool. Do it when you’re old enough to consent to it. Genuinely. If that’s what floats your boat, then do it. People should have the right to body autonomy. Slice your ear off as well if that’s what you’re into. Anything.
If this were about tattooing babies, or piercing them, or cutting off their earlobes, everyone would rightly be against it (even though all of these are less dangerous and less likely to have complications).
It’s only because Americans, Jews, and Muslims are used to this practice that they accept it. If it were a new thing, it would be seen as the barbaric practice that it truly is.
I believe there’s also the element of “well if I admit that circumcision of babies is wrong, that means there’s something wrong with my penis. And I don’t want there to be something wrong with my penis. Therefore I’m on the side of genital mutilation being ok.”
God damn you have some serious issues my dude. Sorry your parents traumatized you but you need to calm down and stop attacking people who have different opinions than you. He said he got it done and he was grateful for it, let it go and stop downvote brigading because he doesn’t fall into line with your cronies. The whole Brogan anti circumcision crew from Reddit was one of the cringiest groups that I wish never migrated over to lemmy. They were so self righteous about their stance they would never listen to arguments from the other side, and were 1000% convinced everyone else was a monster.
I for one am happy mine was done, my dick is plenty sensitive and it doesn’t look like a crusty ant eater. My sexual partners have been very thankful for the same, and I’ve received numerous compliments to the same. The truth is, most women find uncircumcised dick to be pretty gross. I can see a few reasons for that, and one of them is simply the look, but the other is because more than a few of them had to deal with a dirty fucking uncut guy who didn’t wash probably and it was nasty af and left them with a bad impression of uncut guys.
“well if I admit that circumcision of babies is wrong, that means there’s something wrong with my penis. And I don’t want there to be something wrong with my penis. Therefore I’m on the side of genital mutilation being ok.”
No issues here. I’m against mutilating the genitals of babies, like a normal person.
The people who have serious issues are the ones who get happy at the thought of taking a newborn baby and slicing part of their dick off. They are brainwashed.
You’ll notice I said it’s good that he likes his circumcision. Just that it should’ve been done as an adult, with consent. Not forced on him as a baby.
I’m sorry that you view cutting off parts of babies’ dicks to be a great cause worthy of championing. That’s pretty sad. That cutting off parts of babies in a needless procedure that frequently goes wrong is something that gets your mutilated dick hard.
And yeah, being pro baby mutilation is something that a monster would like. Unironically, to mutilate the genitalia of babies is something we should view as being the actions of a monster. But religion drives people to do crazy things.
Hahahaha most women absolutely do not find normal, un-mutilated dicks to be ugly. Quit making shit up.
I’m really sorry you got mutilated as a baby. Genuinely. Hope the scarring isn’t too bad and you were one of the lucky majority who don’t get a botched circumcision. But you need to get over this insecurity about your dick.
Yeah, the people against mutilating the genitals of babies are irrational when they talk about how fucked up they think forced genital mutilation is.
It’s definitely not the people who dogmatically defend cutting off parts of baby genitalia despite all the suffering and issues it causes, who are behaving irrationally.
If you want to have parts of your dick chopped off, more power to ya. But do it when you’re a consenting adult.
This is a barbaric practice that itself is only a surrogate for the much more barbaric practice of child sacrifice.
To suggest discussion of it moved beyond any kind of rationality is laughable because its very foundation is a rejection of rationality.
Let’s have a rational discussion: what is your best, rational, science-backed reason for supporting the nonconsensual mutilation of male infants?
I know some of those words are emotionally provocative but they are 100% accurate and simply not cloaked in polite euphemism, and you need to engage with each of them on a rational basis.
Just to offer a correction to this for you, it is not a “rumor” but physiological fact. Circumcision removes the frenar band, which is very densely innervated and a principal errogenous zone for those that are uncircumcised, additonally, the Meissner’s corpuscles, which contain thousands of touch receptors and tens of thousands of endings that are biologically specialized for sexual pleasure are amputated.
I can’t, personally, attest to the effect as being cut is all that I’ve ever known but, the evidence is undeniable about the fact that circumcision diminishes the male sexual experience.
You’re probably correct. All of this non-consensual body mod shit, for men and women, sucks.
What’s done is done, but I won’t repeat the mistakes. I also harbor no Ill will about it either, I’m living life with the hand I’ve been dealt, and having fun too.
Absolutely! Though, if a low-risk procedure becomes avalable to restore it with full biological functionality (all the nerves, glands, etc), I’ll absolutely get it, if I can. I don’t harbor ill will either as, probably, none of those involved had any idea, with how commonplace it is in the US.
I’m just happy that I wasn’t the recipient of a botched circumcision and that they are pretty uncommon in the developed world at somewhere around 0.6% but in some developing nations that shoots up to a reported 5%. And that’s a pretty fucked up amount of risk to subject one who cannot consent to such a procedure to.
I’ve had a foreskin all my life and it’s just another part of your body that you learn to care for, like ears.
Also like ears, it takes a little bit of extra work to care for your foreskin, but it’s worth it because not-unlike ears, foreskin heightens your sensitivity to stimuli.
Also, like ears, the idea of lopping it off is barbaric on its face. We in the west are happy to use the descriptive, and more emotionally resonant term ‘genital mutilation’ when we talk about the equally barbaric practice that is forced on females in other cultures, but we still hide behind euphemism and branding when talking about mutilating perfectly good penises.
Also, this is intelligent design? You leave at least two defects in the V1 production push, refuse to release a day 1 patch, and your hot fix for one defect is just to cut if off - eventually, meanwhile the appendix is just left to lurk.
Sorry to say to my UK friends, it looks like these people have no manners when it comes to debating. Asking a question and then proceeded to shout over them. I’m surprised they still have viewers.
Holy hell, It hurt watching that so freaking much.
It was not worth watching it just for that moment. I am blown away at how much he kept saying something with a response being the opposite of what he wanted and then him repeating it. “I did protest Obama” “I already told you I don’t know” “I don’t know the number” dude, I am amazed at her patience with a grown man acting like a toddler that didn’t get his way.
Normal people subtract debt from available wealth, but if you have a billion dollars and three billion in debt, you in effect still have a billion dollars. The magic of late stage capitalism!
The irony is that in the US, Metric is the standard, used by all science, military, governmental etc sectors. It’s just that the average American is too insecure to acknowledge this fact.
Insecure about what? Which side of the tape measure to use? Honestly I don’t think many Americans are or were ever made aware that metric is the standard.
Everyone who has ever served in any branch of the US military knows this fact.
In 2020, US gvmnt estimates were 19.4m living vets in the nation. With a population of around 331m, that’s around 6%. If you include the number of non-vets civilians who’s jobs directly support the military, and who therefore are also required to use metric in their jobs, this number will be higher - I couldn’t find population estimates, but it’s at least a couple percent as the DoD alone employs a million civilians. NASA employs around 17k, and anyone working for a company who works with NASA is going to have to use metric. I’d be shocked if the number of Americans who aren’t having to use metric at work, and are therefore aware that it’s a standard here, wasn’t at least 10%.
Nowhere near a majority, but certainly significant; over 20m people warrants “many,” surely?
This is utter horseshit. Anyone who doesn’t acknowledge that fact probably just didn’t know and you’re just projecting some “I’m better than you” nonsense.
We learn the metric system in our schools. It’s part of our curriculum. We learn it in math classes, we learn it in science classes, we learn about it in history classes as well.
The UK drives using MPH too, despite the metric system being the standard. Oh nooooo! An alternate measurement system that the masses understand and accept!
For what it is worth, if you were curious, NIST adopted and recommends the SI standard.
However what IS fun is the world adopting US customary measures intertwined with metrics units for new measurements that weren’t used before, electrical current/resistance stuff like that. **Though, good luck getting anyone who likes to try to dunk on the USA like this to admit it.**Any American who responds how you’re saying is just pissed that once again someone is trying to look down their nose at us for living our fucking lives.
We learn the metric system in our schools. It’s part of our curriculum. We learn it in math classes, we learn it in science classes, we learn about it in history classes as well.
And apparently promptly have an episode of amnesia because every adult here seems to not know how to convert.
Fairly simple, I’m not retarded. Being a Marxist in the 21st century is an actual embarrassment. You probably either hide your disgusting views in public, or most likely, you don’t even leave your house to understand what reality is like.
I mean if you wanna be a dumbass that’s your choice bro, you can keep getting fucked over by daddy government as you please. But don’t come crying to leftists in a few decades when the world’s on fire and your entire life is in ruins lol.
Lol you’re so retarded you unironically believe that a failed murderous ideology that has led to nothing but poverty, famine, tyranny, violence, and eventually collapse is going to totally work this time despite the mountains of evidence that it is a failure in both theory and practice. The history books are crystal clear about. You can use all the whataboutism fallacies with capitalism and no true fallacies about how it wasn’t REAL Marxism on every single attempt in history, you’re not fooling anyone. The current systems are flawed, but a parasitic ideology that’s just as bad, if not worse, than fascism is not and will never be an acceptable solution. There’s a reason why brainless morons cower together in some no name echo chamber like this and larp about revolutionaries. You’ll never see the light of day.
you unironically believe that a failed murderous ideology that has led to nothing but poverty, famine, tyranny, violence, and eventually collapse
Capitalism? Rates of poverty are unbelievably high, starving, tyranny, and violence is too, and extremely capitalist countries are in a constant state of collapse and go into recession every few years causing mass starvation, homelessness, and death. As opposed to even shitty communist countries like the USSR or PRC where they were far better off after communism than before communism, even being authoritarian they still had way better standard of living than when they were extremely capitalist & imperialist. Even Cuba, a small island with a dictatorship which has been cut off from most of the world for a large part of its history and has technology outdated by decades, is doing better than some Republican strongholds in the US, which is pretty embarrassing for a country with as many natural resources as the US.
And even if you don’t want to consider that, there’s pretty much any democratically elected socialist governments which the CIA immediately assassinated & overthrew, which had extremely high success and standards of living increases. But I guess if your democratic leader’s head gets blown off during an artificial American-led coup, that counts as a W for capitalism, aye? Entirely orchestrating uprisings in most previously friendly Latin American countries, Iran, etc. and turning them into authoritarian fascist shitholes certainly is a way to make your ideology seem like the only choice.
Capitalism has caused the deaths and suffering of billions. We have seen dozens, hundreds of capitalist regimes fail tremendously, bringing their entire population down with them, multiple times the amount of communist countries that have even existed. Capitalist countries have caused the worst disasters, the worst famines, the worst mass deaths, far more than even the worst communist regimes somehow. Yet you think you can point to the failures of the few communist countries in history and say that it’s proof your flavor of fascism is totally better than leftism.
I’m not even a communist. I don’t like communism, I don’t like any of the authoritarian regimes that followed a variation of the ideology, I strongly disapprove of the people who think the ideology of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, etc. was in any way at all sustainable. But my God it takes a real idiot to not be able to see how modern right-wing capitalism is just as bad if not worse than even those shitty ideologies, the difference being that capitalism has been given infinite chances to fail under the pretext of “oh tens of millions died from this one event but it’s fine, that’s just normal market fluctuation”. You can’t even call the US a democratic country at this point, it’s an oligarchy for the ultra-rich. Even pointing to other capitalist countries you can see that them partially implementing socialism has made them a far better place than the US, even if still heavily flawed by the capitalism.
is going to totally work this time despite the mountains of evidence that it is a failure in both theory and bla bla bla
Lol yea bro these leftist policies are totally failing in, say, Finland or whatever Euro country is of your desire. Countries that rely on very leftist socdem ideological views which Americans would call “socialist” or even “communist” and have much better equality & standard of living than the US, solely because of those ideologies. Isn’t it funny how the further left these countries go, the higher their standard of living and general success, and the further right they go, the more unstable and worse off they become. For example some select places in Europe have tried tasting right-wing ideology for recently and are paying the price for it (e.g. Germany, Netherlands, Italy). Crazy coincidence, isn’t it.
I’m sure the massive political unrest, attempt to overthrow the government, hundreds of mass shootings, worst healthcare in the developed world, record garbage education, even worse starvation than China and Ukraine, extremely high crime rate, and everything else the US is going through is a sign of a successful ideology. And similar thing in Canada & to a lesser extent the UK. I’m sure it’s those damn communists causing all the issues, if we stray further to the right surely we’ll stop all that nonsense!
The current systems are flawed
“Flawed” is an understatement.
but a parasitic ideology that’s just as bad, if not worse, than fascism is not and will never be an acceptable solution.
You are delusional
There’s a reason why brainless morons cower together in some no name echo chamber like this and larp about revolutionaries.
Looks like r/conservative lost one of their losers. You clearly don’t like this forum, so you can cry on your Reddit echo chamber about how everyone on there is a communist, then whine about people brigading your sub when a people disagree with your opinion, but nobody falls for it here lol.
Preach. All the Society Experts here have come to a conclusion- based on the hardest of evidences - that Democrats are the only good ones they just aren’t left enough. Notice their unwavering homogeneity- it’s not groupthink or any kind of propaganda campaign, it’s just how the Lemmy MENSA brains operate. Why make room for tolerance of dissenting opinions when you just like know you’re totally right?
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