bluetardis,

You need to know that most power tools are ultimately owned by only a few brands

Milwaukee and Ryobi for example are both owned by TTI but the Marketing is strong.

protoolreviews.com/power-tool-manufacturers-who-o…

Lowpast,

Well, yes, but they serve drastically different markets, and the ownership structure is different. Ryobi is for the home owner that occasionally uses tools, and is licensed by a Japanese company to allow TTI to produce the brand. Milwaukee is for heavy daily use, and is wholly owned by TTI.

nova_ad_vitum,

Its also worth mentioning that adapters are available to convert between battery systems. If you’re on Milwaukee and want to buy a DeWalt palm router (which is superior IMO) then you can just get a converter to use it with a Milwaukee battery. You can keep the converter in the tool itself, and most tools don’t mind this.

The exception is Ryobi. Converters only exist one-way, since Ryobi still uses “stick” type batteries for low voltage stuff. The opposite converter could theoretically exist (say, to use a Ryobi battery with a DeWalt router) but it would be very large and bulky and so nobody really makes them.

altima_neo,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Ryobi batteries in general are very bulky. That 12 AH is like strapping a boot to your tools. It’s also seemingly their weak spot, as all I read is people complaining about their batteries.

Guy_Fieris_Hair,

They make a 12ah? I have the 4 and it’s huge. It lasts a surprisingly long time too. A 12ah would last a bazillion years.

JPJones,

Heck yeah! Makita is just Makita!

Obi,
@Obi@sopuli.xyz avatar

Japanese and over 100 years old…

HootinNHollerin,

FYI there are adaptors for all of these batteries so you’re not actually stuck. I got one on Amazon

Voyajer,
@Voyajer@lemmy.world avatar

Just make sure whatever tool/battery combo you end up using still some sort of battery protection. Most brands have it in the tool but a few have it in the battery.

Omgarm,

Most of my stuff is Bosch…

Delphia,

Mine too, but their range is so small.

Death_Equity,

It’s ok bud, not everyone has a big tool selection. Just remember what’s important, how you use the tools you have and if you get the job done.

Delphia,

As a dad having options for the fam for fathers day is good.

Kolanaki, (edited )
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Huh… Which school are HART and Hyper Tough from if it’s not Hogwarts? 🤔

Death_Equity,

Back of the package instructions for gags bought from a muggle magic shop found in a Vegas airport school of wizardry.

All of their alumni can be found performing at swap meets before AA meetings, I mean defense against dark potions class.

stoy,

My dad rejected those answers, instead, he chose something different, he chose… Festool!

nxdefiant,

I guess when you have Malfoy money you can afford to go full death eater.

TalesFromTheKitchen,
@TalesFromTheKitchen@lemmy.ml avatar

Not a dad but heavily into the Makita gang. As a German I should be into Hilti or Metabo but Makita just hits the sweetspot of quality and pricing for me.

WbrJr,

You forgot Bosch! It’s a shit company in my opinion though… they also produce in Chinese prison camps

Paradachshund,

Not really selling it well

TalesFromTheKitchen,
@TalesFromTheKitchen@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah, no. Same reason. Garbage chinesium.

kogs,

Same here brother, Makita all the way. I respect all the brands, but once you buy a battery and a charger for one brand, you’re in it.

altima_neo,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Only issue with Makita is s their battery tech hasnt caught up with everyone else. They seem to have forgotten their 18 volt line in favor of their 36 volt.

BigDanishGuy,

How about dads who went with the discount hardware store’s brand. It’s easily 1/4 Dewalt prices and comes with a 5 year no questions asked warranty? I spent like 80euros on two 18V cordless drills. I keep the receipt in the case they came in, and in the last 8 years I’ve abused the shit out of them, and have had at least one replacement. Just like Dewalt, makita, milwaukee, and ryobi, I have several batteries and charges, and a plethora of tools with the same battery.

I went to the store with a beat up drill, and the pimply faced teen at the register was like wtf?!? But the manager didn’t want the full story on the phone. Only three questions “is it [store brand]?” “is the receipt less than 5 years old?” and “what are you calling me for then?”. New drill, new case and new receipt. Oldest drill is about 4.5 years old now, so I guess that I have to torture the hell out of it and get a new one with 5 more years.

NoIWontPickaName,

People talk shit about Harbor freight, but I have walked into that store with a box full of burnt up power tools and had absolutely no problems getting my money back or new tools. That bonus warranty for two dollars has paid for itself I don’t even know how many times. And you don’t have to buy a new warranty on every tool. You just have to buy that once and you get unlimited exchanges.

Aux,

Only Bosch! Only hardcore!

badbytes,

I’m a middle aged Dad. I testify in the affirmative this is the holy truth.

taiyang,

Timely! I was gifted into House Milwaukee this holiday season. I guess the sorting hat did it’s thing. Hope to learn a lot of useful wizardry, I’ve got a door frame to fix.

Cris_Color,
@Cris_Color@lemmy.world avatar

Lol, yep I got gifted into the same house.

I’m sending well wishes on your wizarding journey!

Damage,

With how long they last, you could be a Makita grandad

Hux,

My tools?

Wired: DeWalt

Battery: Makita

Pneumatic: Bosch

Hand: whatever’s in the box…

Duamerthrax,

Wired and Pneumatic can be whatever.

MisterD,

I have Makita batteries that are 12 years old. Still work. Only now I’m thinking about getting new batteries

SadSadSatellite,

House DeWalt: The Builders

House Ryobi: The Slapjobs

House Milwaukee: The wishes they were house DeWalt

House Makita: Quality prevails regardless of how little I use my tools.

Unmentioned:

House Bosch: House Makita but doesn’t like Asians

House Metabo: House Milwaukee but green

House Rigid: wow these are fuckin cheap

House Worx: Tools take a backseat to Yardwork

House Metabo HPT: My wife says they’re great

Ilovethebomb,

Rigid are mostly Milwaukee tools but cheaper.

CosmicTurtle,

Ngl, I absolutely love rigid. Most have lifetime guarantees, even on batteries.

Never had to exercise them fortunately.

HurlingDurling,
@HurlingDurling@lemmy.world avatar

You forgot house Black & Decker

JPJones,

DeWalt is owned by Stanley Black&Decker

altima_neo, (edited )
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Nah Makita is trash, unless you’re talking LXT, which is 36 volt. Most of the Milwaukee stuff comes out on top on the torque test channel on YouTube.

But also don’t forget House Skil: Issue

TheControlled,

Milwaukee is better than DeWalt in literally every category. Come at me.

Cort,

Except battery life in my experience.

TranscendentalEmpire,

Yeap, switched from Milwaukee from DeWalt recently. The tool quality is pretty much the same, but the Milwaukee battery and chargers are a lot nicer.

ThirdWorldOrder,

I’ve used dewalt professionally for many years. My buddies who use Milwaukee are always borrowing my stuff. I’ll leave it at that.

SadSadSatellite,

My construction companion runs Milwaukee. As I stated in a different comment, he’s had several drills and batteries blow in about three years. This isn’t to say they’re not a great brand, but that’s too many lemons for the premium they charge for my taste. seems like their biggest downfall is the plastic shells they use, especially on batteries. Those little power check buttons break right quick, and the rubber over moulding doesn’t deal with grease well.

I run Metabo HPT, and I abuse the hell out of them. Drilling inch holes 12" deep in concrete for garage anchors, running all the batteries in sub zero and 100+ temps, notching studs until the multi tool is too hot to hold. Never had a failure in 6 years. Even my original batteries still work as well as the new. A slick bonus I found out being a compulsive tinkerer, the batteries that they sell as 18v 3ah are actually 24v 5ah. I always wondered why they lasted so long before I ripped a few apart. Samsung cells as well.

ChickenLadyLovesLife,

I was browsing the tool section at a Home Depot once a couple of years ago when a very attractive young woman came up to me and started asking me about my project. I’m not so dense that I thought she was hitting on me, but I couldn’t figure out her angle and I thought maybe she was a prostitute or something. Turns out she was a Milwaukee sales rep and she was trying to encourage people (men, rather) to buy some Milwaukee cordless tools.

NielsBohron,
@NielsBohron@lemmy.world avatar

So, technically not a prostitute.

rekabis,

Only if you go for the strict definition.

Any exchange of labour for money under an indentured system where you are under constant violent threat of homelessness, destitution, starvation, and even death if you don’t work, is a certain type of prostitution born of desperation.

TL;DR: most of us whose paycheques are signed by someone else are labour prostitutes.

NielsBohron,
@NielsBohron@lemmy.world avatar

I can’t say I disagree with any of that.

Ilovethebomb,

This is today’s Lemmy Moment Of The Day.

Ilovethebomb,

I’ve got AEG, which is basically yellow Milwaukee anyway.

clockwork_octopus,

While I agree with you on most accounts, Milwaukee drills have cheap switches on them, they’re usually the first to hang to go. The chucks seem kinda cheap too, but honestly that’s not enough for me to switch teams, I’m married to Milwaukee, and the divorce would just be too damn expensive at this point.

MilitantAtheist, (edited )

House Festool: Expensive, but I shift the cost to my clients.

Also, pretty systainers for storage and German ordnung.

JaymesRS, (edited )

House Bauer/Atlas/Hercules/Warrior: Life is transient, why does your tool or battery need to last longer than the job?

ouRKaoS,

House Harbor Freight: Safety squints aren’t enough danger

SadSadSatellite,

That’s not a house it’s a harbor

SadSadSatellite,

As a Semi pro, I run Metabo HPT for power tools and beat the hell out of them and get free batteries. Never had a tool or battery die in several years.

For groundskeeping I go with worx. They’re great but aftermarket batteries suck ass.

Any plug in tools that aren’t antiques are rigid, their warranty is nuts, and their mitre saw has the widest range of any I’ve ever used. Plus free service and parts for life.

My coworker runs Milwaukee, lots of variety, but he’s had two drills and three batteries die in 3 years of basic use, so I’m not sure if I trust them wholly. The packout is nice, but there are better options out there for portable tool chests now, like flex and toughbuilt.

I know a few pros who switched to flex tools and swear by them, but they’re too fresh to market to know for sure, although the company has been around forever supposedly.

altima_neo,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Yeah same company that makes Flex also make Kobalt as their Ryobi competitor for Lowe’s, and Ridgid as their mid tier tools.

Thrashy,
@Thrashy@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve somehow killed half the Hitachi/MetaboHPT batteries I’ve bought, and two of three chargers to boot. If anything else in my house made a habit of mysteriously dying for no reason I’d blame the power company, but as it stands it’s just the power tools, and I am by no means a heavy user. Maybe my garage just gets too hot? I dunno.

SadSadSatellite,

I’ve noticed a difference between the Lowe’s/retailer Metabo tools and the stuff they have at Menards and Amazon. Menards especially seems to only stock discontinued models. I’ve been consistently surprised at how hardy mine have been. Maybe I just got lucky, or you unlucky.

Guy_Fieris_Hair, (edited )

It is whatever you buy a battery and charger for first. Then you are unwilling to forfeit that battery to just buy another tool. So you get another tool of the same brand, even if you aren’t happy with the previous. Then at that point, you’ve gone to far. You’ve got several hundred dollars in batteries you would have to give up just to switch. It is the most blatant example of the sunken cost fallacy.

Ryobi, specifically has entry level tools (a basic drill) that come with a charger and battery for cheaper than you can even buy a battery by itself. When you’re young and broke and all you need to do is hang some curtains or something you get it. But really, it is just a seed for your future “house” that you belong to.

RealBot,

Would there be a way to 3D print plastic part of a battery and just fill it with standard battery types (cylindrical batteries) and make them swapable? Because as far as i know there isn’t really any electronics in batteries, just different voltages based on number of batteries in series and different mounting mechanism. It just seems like a silly vendor lock-in.

Plavatos,

Feels like something the EU would eventually work on settling: making all tool manufacturers have a non-proprietary connector.

DarthBueller,

I’m just waiting for the other shoe to drop and for a Belgian or something to drop in here to say that they’ve had fully interchangeable batteries for the last twenty years, and then make fun of us for building houses out of wood because we didn’t clear cut our continent.

BigPotato,

Just fucking make it all XT90 or something.

fallingcats,

And have the battery dangling?

SpookySnek,

More people should know there actually are adapters for different brands of batteries on amazon, and thingiverse if you have a 3D printer

thallamabond,

Looking for this comment, I’m still running my craftsman 19.2 volt tools, but with a 20v DeWalt adapter, saved my from throwing away 1 reciprocating saw, 1 light, 1 1/4" impact, 2 drills, 1 90° drill, and a circular saw.

BigPotato,

And if you don’t have a 3D printer, your local library likely does.

BigPotato,

And if you don’t have a 3D printer, your local library likely does.

variants,

Dewalt battery on a Dyson vacuum as well

snowe,
@snowe@programming.dev avatar

A bunch of much better ones on Etsy too

SpookySnek,

Thanks for the tip :)

31337,

Fucking Ridgid got me, because on paper, they have lifetime warranties on their batteries. But after buying an expensive combo, they made it an absolute hassle to register my tools, so I kinda doubt they’ll honor their warranty. Now I’m Ridgid + Dewalt. My corded tools and hand tools are whatever brand; harbor freight or walmart if not used often, Milwaukee, DeWalt, etc if I expect to use them often.

Ilovethebomb,

I actually did a lot of research on this when I bought my first battery tools, knowing this would be the case, and decided they had a decent range of everything I’d likely need.

I went with AEG.

xenspidey,

Which is TTI, so the same as Milwaukee, Ryobi, and Rigid. I wonder if they are more of a non-US rebranded one of those 3

Ilovethebomb,

They’re identical to Ridgid, including the batteries being compatible.

tal,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

It is whatever you buy a battery and charger for first. Then you are unwilling to forfeit that battery to just buy another too

One could go pneumatic, get a compressor and pneumatic tools.

Blue_Morpho,

That’s only good if you can bring your work to your garage.

tal,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

You can get portable compressors.

Blue_Morpho,

I’m not hauling my portable compressor into my attic, nor do I have an extension cord that can reach the end of my yard. It stays in my garage. Even then I prefer battery tools because of the noise when the compressor kicks on.

Grabthar,

I have a 100’ air hose that reaches anywhere in the house. I often run it outside and back in a window somewhere so it doesn’t end up in the way of family. I also have a small compressor for airbrushing rather than running permanent air lines from the garage to my basement workshop. You’ll still want cordless convenience for a drill and some other small tools though.

benignintervention,

I found a set of Makita tools for 60% off last year and now I’m Makita battery dependent for the rest of my life

Guy_Fieris_Hair, (edited )

In 10 years you will have thousands of dollars in makita tools because hey, that hammer drill you needed was only $110, better get another battery too, your old ones are getting tired. 🤷‍♂️ and you will always have makita tools, forever. Even if you hate them.

evranch,

I used to be ride or die for Makita as an electrician, but they’ve gone downhill lately and their battery prices are insane! Used to be a Makita could fall off a ladder onto the chuck and bounce. Last year my crew had two drills newly bought that year CATCH FIRE and one strip the gearbox. Embarassing performance.

I’ve pivoted to Ridgid with their dirt cheap batteries with lifetime warranty. And I have a couple Ridgid->Makita adapters to use my new collection of Ridgid batteries with my tough old Makita tools. Battery adapters will free you from that lock-in.

Honestly I’ve been impressed with the Ridgid tools though, same manufacturer as Milwaukee and Ridgid has always been a big brand with plumbers. The brushless tools I’ve bought have been powerful and robust so far. No regrets

PraiseTheSoup,

So TTI manufactures Milwaukee, Ryobi, and Ridgid power tools. I didn’t know they did Ridgid too. I wonder how many manufacturers there really are for the plethora of power tool brands. I’m gonna guess like three.

DarthBueller,

Wait TTI does dewalt too? I thought dewalt was same co as Milwaukee.

Telecaster615,

DeWalt is Stanley Black and Decker not tti

hydrospanner,
phoneymouse, (edited )

Yeah Ryobi is dirt cheap and good enough for most things. When you need to add another tool, choosing between the one that doesn’t have a battery and the one that does but is twice the price has a big influence on your decision.

Also, I’m not a contractor, so I only use certain tools once every six months. Have yet to have anything fail on me. If it does, maybe I’ll upgrade. Certain tools have already paid for themselves in that they saved me from needing to hire someone else. Just getting a pole saw and hedge trimmer alone saved me probably $700.

I do have a few of the other brands, but they were damn pricey and I don’t use them enough to justify it.

jasondj,

I really dislike Home Depot after a series of huge customer service mishaps with me last year, and actively avoid going there now.

Which is a shame because I have a lot of Ryobi One tools. They are perfectly positioned for weekend warriors…huge tool library, good batteries, affordable and of fairly decent quality (certainly well above “junk” and a good value for the money).

Shame that is a store-exclusive brand.

The worst part is I’ve bought into most of the cordless tools I’d really need. The day might come where I want a larger circular saw (mines only 5.5 and it is prone to binding if your technique isn’t perfect, and even then…) or find that some of the tools that I’m okay with having corded (like a jigsaw or an angle grinder) I now need a cordless replacement. At that point I’ll likely find myself buying into a better and more expensive battery system and, for quite a while, only having the one seldom-used tool for it.

Now I’ve got a dead 4Ah battery and I’m on the fence as to rebuild it, buy a new one, or take it as an opportunity to start going into a new battery system.

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