Blackmist,

Really milking that fad before they inevitably push anything useful behind a monthly paywall.

init,

As long as the ability to manually turn off secureboot and remove the OS isn’t locked behind a subscription…

Anticorp,

It’s already behind a paywall. You can’t access ChatGPT-4 without paying.

sir_reginald,
@sir_reginald@lemmy.world avatar

and yet they are still loosing money by running ChayGPT 3.5 for free. I guess that in the future they’ll switch to a local small model in the hardware that is capable enough.

Anticorp,

I think it’s like anything on the modern web, they’ll lose money until they reach a critical mass of users who get accustomed to using ChatGPT in their day-to-day life, and then they’ll kill the free tier.

Blue_Morpho,

Except their free tier is still around for everything that they started as free. Outlook, bing, Visual Studio Code, even office is free for students and teachers.

They’ll always keep the low tier free to get people hooked and charge businesses whatever.

Anticorp,

Microsoft has free tier Office tools because they’re data brokers now. TMK they didn’t always have free Outlook, it was bundled in Office, which cost money. I don’t see ChatGPT remaining free forever, it costs too much to run. I could be wrong though, depending on how much valuable data they can scrape from it.

Blue_Morpho,

Yeah they didn’t gave a free Office, Outlook or Visual studio. Now they do and there is no sign of them stopping it. Bing is expensive and they aren’t stopping it.

Chatgpt is MS’s first real chance of dethroning Google search. They’re going to keep a free tier forever.

fedev,

Please don’t.

stoy,

I am getting flashbacks to the multimedia keyboards on yesteryear:

deskthority.net/wiki/Multimedia_keyboard

Thanks MS, but no thanks, I don’t need it.

surfrock66,
@surfrock66@lemmy.world avatar

For real though, I loved those. That wireless Logitech one with the volume dial lasted me a decade.

AwkwardTurtle,

My mom had one, I absolutely loved using that thing when I did

pipows,
@pipows@lemmy.today avatar

I love these, it has actual useful keys

stoy,

I will admit that the volume wheel was awesome

NOOBMASTER,

yeah, the media controls are actually useful.

cyberpunk007,

It’s already bad enough that windows 11 has a bing AI button on the top left AND top right corners of the start menu. Like wtf

SuperSpruce,

Why? Win+C launches Copilot already, if you want to use it. It’s simple enough currently, why change it? This will just make everything worse.

OsrsNeedsF2P,

Why? Investment hype

Swaziboy,

Bingo

aksdb,

Awesome Keyboard with AI Support *

  • On supported Operating Systems **

** With separate subscription.

cyberpunk007,

I can’t wait to no longer find a keyboard without this key.

possiblylinux127,

You can always use those keyboards from the 2000’s

dubyakay,

Welcome to the custom mechanical keyboard scene.

erwan,

I’m pretty sure you’ll be able to find keyboards with a different icon that the ugly copilot, and then you can map it to whatever you want.

Thermal_shocked,

Like the shitty bixby button on phones.

Technus,

In the five years of owning this phone, I have never once pressed that button on purpose. I press it on accident at least once a week.

Thermal_shocked,

5 years… do you have the S9? cause im exactly the same, never intentionally used it. ever.

Technus,

lol yep, S9.

Thermal_shocked,

Using it til it dies. Love this phone.

Bronco1676, (edited )

I have the s10+ and it’s actually useful, as you can remap the double click on that button to open any app you like. But yeah single click, never happened intentionally.

EDIT: F yeah, I just checked the settings and you can decide if you want bixby activation on single or double-click. Now I’ve set bixby to double click and on single-click it opens my password manager. If you don’t select anything, it will do nothing on a single click.

The setting is under “Advanced Features” -> “Bixby Key” for me.

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/44f31bda-26f4-419f-bb41-94bd87a6205e.png

someacnt_,

This requires logging in to bixby for me.

sir_reginald, (edited )
@sir_reginald@lemmy.world avatar

because most people are unaware of keybindings and when they inevitable tap on the new dedicated key they’ll probably be shown a subscription screen for Copilot Premium or whatever they call it.

IMO it’s a very disgusting and intrusive way of fishing subscriptions to the AI thing they’ve invested so much money on.

ulkesh, (edited )
@ulkesh@beehaw.org avatar

As long as it’s treated like a media key and not an intrusion of the standard, then I couldn’t care less. It’s a stupid idea, but Microsoft is so often full of those.

Edit> And after reading the article…of course MS is intruding on the standard just like they did with the windows key, but at least that one was turned into “meta” or “super”. I guess this will guarantee I won’t buy another MS keyboard.

Reil,

On the other hand… Super Duper Key.

ulkesh,
@ulkesh@beehaw.org avatar

Touché

pixelscript,

It’s Microsoft, intrusion of standards is their entire M.O.

It’s the “extend” in “embrace, extend, extinguish”.

erwan,

The Windows key turning into “super” and getting some use on Linux was just Linux DE finding a use for that key nobody asked for.

NOOBMASTER, (edited )

Couldn’t they just convert some existing unused key, like Scroll Lock? To be honest, even Pause/Break seems outdated to me.

teawrecks,

Wonder if it will be CTRL + SHIFT + ALT + WIN + C

cyberpunk007,

Also known as fist+c

EddoWagt,

Now I’m wondering, with which fingers would you press all those buttons? The most comfortable way to press these keys with 1 hand is to rotate the keyboard 180 degrees

teawrecks,

They don’t intend for you to, it’s just easier to make a giant button combo that their generic HID driver handles as a special case than to create a custom keyboard protocol with their special key enums and a custom driver that only windows supports.

Aurenkin,

Can they just make the copilot shortcut on my taskbar permanently fuck off? It appears erratically and I don’t seem to be able to get rid of it when it’s there.

nik282000,
@nik282000@lemmy.ca avatar
Aurenkin,

I dual boot PopOS which has been great. Only use Windows for a couple of games that don’t work well with proton.

nik282000,
@nik282000@lemmy.ca avatar

F. I still have a W10 drive for VR games.

humanplayer2,
@humanplayer2@lemmy.ml avatar

Immerge more! Hide the task bar, use only desktop icons to launch your games.

theshatterstone54,

Use CTT’s winutil. I’m guessing it can get rid of that (and also telemetry and it makes updates less annoying and gives you a Ninite-like way to easily install a bunch of software and apply a bunch of tweaks etc.)

NotSoCoolWhip,

Right click taskbar.

Taskbar settings

Turn off copilot

blobjim,

They did this same thing with Mocrosoft Teams. Microsoft execs are some of the dumbest laziest people.

Stillhart,

This is Clippy v2.0 and I’m sure it will be just as helpful.

floofloof,

They’ve learned from their mistakes, and concluded that Clippy failed because there was no Clippy key.

ape,

at least clippy, for all his faults, had the good sense to be a cute cartoon paperclip.

TheAnonymouseJoker,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

I liked Clippy and Wizard. There is a massive difference.

shiveyarbles,

They’re really pushing this AI shit fr

UnaSolaEstrellaLibre,

Can’t wait to see this gone in the next 3 years.

explodicle,

"Oh yeah I remember these keyboards! Good times, that was before the

Hexarei,
@Hexarei@programming.dev avatar

before the what, op?

BEFORE THE WHAT??

sweats, knowing a time-traveler in our midst refused to tell us about the coming copilocalypse

leftofthat,

More like micBlow$oft

ipsirc,
@ipsirc@lemmy.ml avatar

Woo-hoo! Secondary hyper modifier key - can’t wait!!!

Octorine,

Soon we’ll be able to emacs the way the developers intended.

QuazarOmega,

Yay! I petition to call it Duper

const_void, (edited )

This is the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever heard of. I’m not buying any keyboard or laptop that has this key. There’s enough Linux-first vendors these days that it’s easy to avoid (Framework, System76, Tuxedo, etc). It’s time to be done with Lenovo and Dell.

BaldProphet,
@BaldProphet@kbin.social avatar

I fully agree with you, but Framework is definitely not Linux-first. The only OS they offer preloaded on their laptops is Windows. You have to install Linux yourself if you want it.

subtext,

I think they’re referring to Framework’s support for full Linux compatibility for at least Ubuntu, and making sure that the parts they use have first class Linux support and drivers and kernel integration.

palordrolap, (edited )

This is the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever heard of. I’m not buying any keyboard or laptop that has this key.

Which is exactly what people said about the Windows key.

Now it's all but impossible to buy a keyboard that doesn't have it. Worse, most of us use it without thinking.

Sure you can call it Super if you like, and even have a Tux key-cap on it, but there used to be a literal gap between the Alt keys and their Ctrl brethren in the lateral directions away from the space bar, and those days are long gone.

There'll be the niche users who stick with old keyboards without this new key, just like there are the die-hards who have stuck resolutely to the old IBM keyboards and the like from pre-1995, but if you want a new keyboard?

Gonna have to shell out a small fortune for a custom build or make do with that dumb new key.

(Shoutout to the Context Menu key which went as unmentioned in the above as it goes unused in day to day use, despite having been included with its Super cousin since day one.)

brax,

I don’t see an issue with a “super” key. But what would a copilot key bring that’s of any value? The super key already does everything you’d need.

Krzd,
@Krzd@lemmy.world avatar

more keys for custom keybinds ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯ depending on where it’s located I’ll probably just use it as a microphone toggle

brax, (edited )

We have so many unused potential binds already, though. Knowing the way tech goes these days, they’ll find a way to hard-code the key to one macro and that’s it lol

Krzd,
@Krzd@lemmy.world avatar

Depends how they do it, if it’s in the registry you can change it.
The point is to have an unused button that you can rebind freely

brax,

Pure hyperbole “late stage capitalism”: they’ll have it wired directly into the board. At best it will cover one key chord.

Even later stage, it’ll send some proprietary data that only windows 11 can interpret. Linux users will figure it out and make use of it, then will be promptly sued out of existence for copyright infringement or something lol.

Can we get this more dystopian? I’m out of ideas.

Krzd,
@Krzd@lemmy.world avatar

Nah, they’ll send a package to a Microsoft server that’ll then respond with the keybind and open the program

brax,

But you can only press it five times before you have to buy a license to active it.

Also, if you want to deactivate it you’ll need to purchase a separate license.

If neither license is purchased, it presents a nag screen each time. 😂

Krzd,
@Krzd@lemmy.world avatar

What, fuck licenses, we’re doing subscriptions here. With multiple tiers, first one just reduces the charge per activation, and the ones after that give you X “free” uses per 12 hours.

Hexarei,
@Hexarei@programming.dev avatar

yeah it’s almost certainly gonna be bound to Super+C, the existing keybind for copilot

Nisaea,
@Nisaea@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Wow when you out it that way it sounds even dumber

giloronfoo,

The video made it look like this was the context menu key. This may just be a key cap change for WHQL certification of keyboards.

PumaStoleMyBluff, (edited )

The article actually says the Copilot key will mostly be replacing Menu or Right Control on existing layouts. So if you’re already not using those (or are already re-binding them), it’s just a new keycap.

Dirk,
@Dirk@lemmy.ml avatar

iit’s just a new keycap

Plus the configuration that is needed to remap the key back to the correct key code.

const_void,

Gonna have to shell out a small fortune for a custom build or make do with that dumb new key.

I don’t think this is true. Just buy a laptop from a company that ships it with Linux. No Windows, no Windows keys. It doesn’t have to be ‘custom’.

kzhe,

The post mentioned this, and argues that a super a key is basically just a windows key

PixxlMan,

So what key are they gonna put there when all cheap generic Chinese keyboard makers start including this button on all their variants of keyboards?

Hexarei,
@Hexarei@programming.dev avatar

The context menu or right-ctrl key, probably

cmnybo,

The context menu key is more useful when it’s remapped to the compose key.

state_electrician,

My keyboard has a Linux key. And I happily use it.

sir_reginald,
@sir_reginald@lemmy.world avatar

As you said, there used to be a gap there. Replacing a gap makes not that much harm and people find it useful even in Linux for keybindings. In more of an Alt kind of guy, but Super is also there for more combinations available.

The Copilot key appears to be going were the right Control or right Alt key are right now, so that’s going to be a bother for a lot of people.

unionagainstdhmo,
@unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone avatar

Hey! I used the context menu key today… Just to see what it does and ask why?

Dirk,
@Dirk@lemmy.ml avatar

Like with the Windows key, this won’t be an option.

cyberpunk007,

Ah yes, just like you had that option with the windows key right?

chitak166,

Unfortunately, the “linux-first” vendors do not offer better deals than their competition.

knightly,
@knightly@pawb.social avatar

They absolutely do, when one considers the negative value of Windows.

fruitycoder,

It depends on how and what you’re measuring. A lot of Linux first, like system 76 and purism, do so e serious work on the firmware and boot systems of their systems. Which for some is a huge value add compared.

njordomir,

Same, I think I might give the System76 Darter a try when I eventually have to replace my Xps 9370. It’s bad enough that my computer comes with a windows logo on the super-key and often windows preinstalled. Shipping with a non-ANSI/ISO layout is a no-buy for me.

Joker,

I don’t care as long as the placement is ok and I can map it to something useful. I’m a GNOME user so the Windows/Super key gets a lot of use. It’s nice to have. A new key that I use for all my custom shortcuts would actually be kind of nice. Who cares that the default key caps are a Windows icon and this Copilot thing? Change the key caps and they are just keys.

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