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pryre, in Can't relate to be honest, I still use MBR boot

Start using and efistub and never worry about boot loaders again!

vox,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

systemd-boot is a reasonable compromise. i like it

pryre,

The reality is that a bootloader will seemingly always be needed to account for difficult BIOS’ and legacy setups (I’m looking at you, dual-booted Ubuntu 20.04).

BeigeAgenda,
@BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca avatar

Naah I just disable secure boot altogether, then you don’t have to worry about all that TPM security theatre.

Vash63,

You don’t need secure boot to use EFI. It’s better all around regardless of SB.

BeigeAgenda,
@BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca avatar

Fair enough I don’t miss the old BIOS.

0x4E4F, (edited )
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yeah, but Windows 11 needs it.

Can be disabled though. Easiest way - use Rufus when burning the USB.

Fun fact, you can also install Win11 in MBR mode, no UEFI needed whatsoever.

possiblylinux127, in Can't relate to be honest, I still use MBR boot

EFI is so much better****

avidamoeba,
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

Not sure if serious.

db2,

GPT you mean. Linux can boot in a non-EFI machine that has GPT disk partitions… Windows can’t because it’s dumb.

Max_P,
@Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me avatar

Yes but by doing so you’re using the same principles as MBR boot. There’s still this coveted boot sector Windows will attempt to take back every time.

What’s nice about EFI in particular is that the motherboard loads the file from the ESP, and can load multiple of them and add them to its boot menu. Depending on the motherboard, even browse the ESP and manually go execute a .efi from it.

Which in turn makes it a lot less likely to have bootloader fuckups because you basically press F12 and pick GRUB/sd-boot and you’re back in. Previously the only fix would be boot USB and reinstall syslinux/GRUB.

taladar,

I just had a bug on both of my EFI computers where they wouldn’t boot any more and a grub-install fixed it, apparently the regular update processes do not update the version on the ESP for some reason and my assumption is that it became incompatible with the modules in /boot

Adding an EFI Boot Entry for netboot.xyz after it happened on the first one really helped fix the second one though.

possiblylinux127,

No I mean EFI. It is a much simpler than MBR.

frokie,

I’m not having an AI boot my computer!

droans,

GPT is a partitioning table. EFI is a bootloader firmware interface.

db2,

MBR is also a partitioning table.

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

Not in my experience… and apparently a lot of people that dual boot 🤷.

My main boot partitions are far from the 2TB threshold of MBR, I’m not that rich.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah cause that’s the only benefit 🙄

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

I can’t see any other really 🤷.

Mastershelf, in Title

Actually, what most most people refer to as “Linux” is really GNUde/Linux.

backhdlp,
@backhdlp@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

*LiGNUdex

nick, in Linux users when

K

xePBMg9, in Linux users when

Or, you know


<span style="color:#323232;">$ packagemanagerofchoice firefox
</span>
Rentlar,

the hardcorest users use https://lynx.browser.org/

ordellrb,

or links2

Potatos_are_not_friends,

Only way I know how.

Ziglin,

<span style="color:#323232;">$ packagemanagerofchoice installoptionname firefox
</span>
0ddysseus, in Linux users when

Linux users install chrome now…?

Alsephina,

Well they already had firefox installed it seems

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/7b32d4cd-dbc6-4638-afa6-9d6b041df450.png

M500,

Tutorials like this that are really simple might be a good way yo introduce the idea that Linux does not need to be difficult or complex.

Chrome is so common and it demonstrates that you can use something familiar on Linux.

catastrophicblues,

Yup, that’s been my experience with getting people to at least consider Linux as well. The first thing they ask when I tell them it’s a different OS like Mac is, “so can it run XYZ?” Most people don’t actually care and just want something that runs the apps they use.

Interestingly, my mom (a Windows user her whole life) seemed just as alienated by macOS as by Linux. Her work gave her a Mac and she couldn’t understand anything after about a week so she just asked for a Windows system instead.

pmk,

The problem would be that graphical UIs can look very different. Each distro with all their supported desktops would require documentation. The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of a short introductory documentation for people who have no clue about linux. Debian claims to be the “universal operating system”, but new users are usually directed towards Mint/Ubuntu/PopOS, but why? There’s a possibility here.

0ddysseus,

Of course. The GUI package manager is the first thing I always show people. I was still just making a joke though

Diplomjodler,

HERESY! GET THE TORCHES AND PITCHFORKS!!

Nomad, in Linux users when

AI content?

Alsephina,
SkepticalButOpenMinded, in Linux users when

Is there a punchline to this I’m missing?

julianh,

It’s a parody of stuff like this www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCRzng7LsQI

zurohki,

Man, I thought having more CPU cores was what made compile jobs faster, I’ve never tried compiling on more screens before. TIL.

0x2d,

nixos users installing a web browser:

kratoz29,
@kratoz29@lemm.ee avatar

For real, I was like… so what the hell?

Potatos_are_not_friends,

Maybe it’s making fun of windows users who go through a 3-100 step install wizard?

It’s not making fun of Macs, which IMO has the slickest installs of just dragging.

victorz,

I’d rather click a button that installed everything to the right place than relying on myself to drag a single thing to a specific folder. Opening a folder first and having to drag is… a drag. That’s my opinion.

Potatos_are_not_friends, (edited )

Installing on a Mac looks like this.

  1. Click on the app package you downloaded
  2. Then verify that you do want to install it by dragging it

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/cc45c165-e57c-4b81-a333-a5b44d22696d.png

Imo it’s very intuitive, clean and clever. No wrong way to do it.

someacnt_,

UI design of apple truly amazes me. Did Jobs really worked on the design as well

DrRatso,

Once you know, it is easy. But this random popup with 0 explanation, besides an arrow, is not intuitive at all. In general I like my MacBook Air but I hate MacOS and if it wasn’t apple silicon itd be running linux. Once Asahi or something similar deals with growing pains, it will 100% be doing so.

db2, in Linux users when

Real Linux users use curl and render the page in their imagination.

unreachable,
@unreachable@lemmy.world avatar

spoke like a true veteran

prettybunnys, (edited )

Just use lynx

bobs_monkey,

I grew up with w3m, but I like your style

sagrotan,
@sagrotan@lemmy.world avatar

Nyxt ftw

Fungah,

When I needed to use chrome (ugh) to run a program I just compiled I googled chromium… which didn’t work… so I tried troubleshooting it. But I don’t understand c. Or why it didn’t work I can’t remember what happened next but it took hours.

I have ungooohlef. Chromium now though which is great.

Potatos_are_not_friends,

I was confused because yeah… Why is this gif using a GUI?

muhyb,

Imagination? That’s bloat.

Ziglin,
fmstrat, (edited )

No, we write a bash script to install whatever it is and put it in a software folder that is synced on our next new install. This script also has to be updated every time, but, you get it.

Diplomjodler,

If you can’t read HTML, why even bother using a computer?

willya, in Linux users when
@willya@lemmyf.uk avatar

Found the newb.

BeigeAgenda, in Can't relate to be honest, I still use MBR boot
@BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca avatar

Was upgrading Devuan and something happened with grub-update, could be my btrfs subvol setup?

Anyway a rescue boot, chroot and grub-update later, and it’s running great again.

Crack0n7uesday, in Can't relate to be honest, I still use MBR boot

Do we really ever fix the bootstrap, or does the bootstrap fix us?

eya, in Linux users when
@eya@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

chrome?

BeigeAgenda,
@BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah the mouse just passed over Firefox.

victorz,

They have that installed already. Likely that is their main browser.

jaschen, in Can't relate to be honest, I still use MBR boot

Legit question. Outside of FOSS and a few more frames per second on some steam games, why would anyone go through the trouble of installing and configuring a Linux box? Last time I tried I couldn’t get my Bluetooth headphones to work and I had to buy a new webcam because I didn’t know how to compile drivers.

I sorta just accept I’m running a bit slower and everything works on my TinyPC win10 box.

detalferous,

I find the experience to be superior to Windows in every way, including driver support. And it gets more and more stark with every version of Windows.

Ten, you say? Is that still supported?.

Ziglin,

It is, for now…

Nvidia drivers can be a hassle on Linux but on windows you need to use the Nvidia driver installer (as far as I know) with a gui and ads, so also a bad experience.

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

You can get 4 more years of support for Win10 if you really wanted with Win10 Enterprise LTSC 2019. It’s supported till 2029.

Ziglin,

Microsoft wants 160€ for that…

I’m glad I use Linux.

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

There’s always KMS38 🤷.

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

Hey, it works for you and that’s fine ☺️ 😉.

CosmicCleric, (edited )
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Hey, it works for you and that’s fine ☺️ 😉.

Be better for Humanity though if people supported corporations that made better products than those that made worse ones.

superbirra,

yeah, also microsoft does a lot of charity and, unlike Stallman, their executives wash their feet

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

I wouldn’t support any corp… cuz they all turn to shit sooner or later.

ArcaneSlime,

If you get used to the terminal, to connect your bluetooth headphones you turn on your bluetooth and type bluetoothctl scan on it’ll scan and return devices by mac address, find yours, type pair [the mac address] connect [mac address] exit exit done.

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Last time I tried I couldn’t get my Bluetooth headphones to work and I had to buy a new webcam because I didn’t know how to compile drivers.

When was that? 2002?

jaschen,

It wasn’t recent. I think it has to be at least 5 years ago.

The noname webcam I had was awesome. Had a bright LED when you’re on a call. This was before covid, so before all the webcam innovations. I could get the camera to engage but couldn’t get the LED to turn on.

I had to end up getting a Logitech webcam.

I fix my webcam issue by reinstalling Windows.

Rewolb_W,

why would anyone go through the trouble of installing and configuring a Linux box?

It doesn’t cost any money and it doesn’t spy on you. It tends to be “lighter” than Windows, so it generally runs better on older hardware. It is easier to tweak and customize.

mynamesnotrick,

I just switch my gaming rig to linux 3 or 4 months ago. First time daily driving linux. I haven’t touched a driver or anything system config related. I don’t think there is a single peice of hardware not working on my box. Im on pop_os! With an amd gpu. Can play any game thanks to steam proton or lutris. Playing wow and cyberpunk right now.

jaschen,

That’s awesome. Thanks for sharing. I honestly haven’t thought about drivers either. Sounds like outside of No ads and bloatware, which is completely removed with the Tiny11 build, I don’t see an advantage. At least not worth the trouble learning it.

sgtgig,

FOSS is a really big reason to run Linux. In ten years you can trust that your Linux install will be running and up to date. In ten years there’s a non-zero chance Microsoft will have moved to a forced subscription model for Windows.

It also just runs faster, can fully update itself and all installed software with a few button clicks or one terminal command, and has tons of options for people who have more technical skill.

dXq9dwg4zt,

Principle. I’m not interested in abusive relationships.

BananaOnionJuice,
@BananaOnionJuice@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I would say convenience, my experience is that it just works, and then you get an OS you are fully in control of.

On Windows you sit down to do stuff and Windows needs to reboot and update, and you have already postponed it as long as you were allowed.

Yes there will always be some hardware that lacks Linux support, and the migration to Linux can be bumpy.

Ziglin,

In my experience it usually doesn’t just work at first but after you get used to it and it’s fine. More importantly, if you have a problem you can find it and fix. If you’re not happy with how it looks, change it and if you don’t want companies spying on you, don’t install their software.

Also as someone that sometimes has to use windows I absolutely hate being forced to do updates, like come on I just wanted to turn it off and leave and then I have to wait 5 minutes for it to go through the update and boot again just to turn it back off because it can’t remember that I pressed the off and not reboot button.

kuberoot,

AFAIK games generally still run worse on Linux, there are cases that seem to beat Windows performance, but I’m not kidding myself about that - it’s just not big enough of a difference to worry.

Aside from other reasons people are saying, I love my package manager. Having a centralized system where my stuff comes from and is installed, not having to deal with searching for websites, finding installers, and dealing with the bullshit they sometimes throw your way. And guess what, if something’s not available in the repositories, perhaps because it offers no installers in the first place, I can usually easily make my own build script and install it in the system anyways.

And then when it comes to updating my stuff, I also don’t have to deal with every program having its own updating/auto updating system, I just run a few commands and update everything I have installed.

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

And then when it comes to updating my stuff, I also don’t have to deal with every program having its own updating/auto updating system, I just run a few commands and update everything I have installed.

This is the best part for me… well, one of the best parts 😁.

SexualPolytope, (edited )
@SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

When was that last time? In the last 5 years, except for brand new graphics cards, I’ve never had any hardware that didn’t simply work out of the box.

And for the first question, it works much better and breaks less often (these memes exaggerate for comedic effect, usually it’s rock solid), has much greater privacy, and it’s free.

Aurenkin, in Linux users when

Linux users uninstalling browser: basically same as what the op shows.

Windows users uninstalling browser

pHr34kY,

21 minutes. Mother of God.

cupcakezealot,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

and 22 seconds in: now most of these methods don’t work

Unyieldingly,

you can install the Malware CCleaner on Malware Windows and uninstall it in a few minutes.

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