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Gork, in You have no power here

If you’re feeling even more paranoid, go with something even more obscure like Plan 9 from Bell Labs. It’s Unix-like but differs so much from it that a Unix or Linux type malware would do nothing to it.

Laser,

I always want to try Plan 9 or one of its successors but actually never do. So many interesting concepts but nothing really to apply them to.

psud,

There’s always GNU/HURD, if you want a little compatibility

Laser,

It’s a good question what I really want. I’m very satisfied with my current system (NixOS) but in the end it’s still Linux and stuff like the 9P filesystem just intrigues me. So it’s not like I’d need to switch or anything. But a playground to apply the concepts to some problems would be nice. Maybe I’ll try 9front some day and see what I can do with it

Gork, (edited )

Indeed. A fun little project but unfortunately it doesn’t seem ready for any sort of daily use. Driver support (a crucial component) is probably pretty scarce. Their web browsers too are hit-or-miss, with one in particular (Links) that crashes when performing a during Google search.

Still, there are few alternatives that differ substantially from the original ancestral Unix that are available and more should be developed. GNU/Hurd and the BSD’s are the only ones I know of.

banneryear1868,

I only run z/OS on an IBM mainframe.

Gork, (edited )

Mmm too modern for my tastes. Gotta go with the Lyons Electronic Office LEO I OS from 1951.

It would need punch card malware lol.

Ooh let’s go back even further to ENIAC in 1945.

banneryear1868,

It’s nice you could just solder in new components.

Tru64 and SunOS are furthest I go back I think, Commodore KERNAL/BASIC technically.

Obscure OS you could actually run today could be Solaris…

RegalPotoo, in stolen from floss@hispanilandia.net XMPP channel
@RegalPotoo@lemmy.world avatar

Talk to your cat about set +o history before they end up leaking credentials

palordrolap,

Can also recommend HISTFILE="", which amounts to the same thing.

ludwik,

Real OGs put a space right after the prompt.

RegalPotoo,
@RegalPotoo@lemmy.world avatar

Not quite. Unsetting HISTFILE, or setting it to an invalid path will mean the shell doesn’t update the history file while it quits. set +o history makes the shell stop recording until you do set -o history, which is useful if you want shell history generally, but don’t want some specific commands to be recorded - if you just unset HISTFILE, the commands still show up if you press the up arrow

Bishma, (edited ) in When you need to retire an old server
@Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I once had a machine (that I got 2nd hand) run a busy mysql server with over 1,200 days of uptime. When it was retired we painted the chassis gold and put it on display in the lobby.

superfes, in what's your ubuntu?

Nunyabuntu

MigratingtoLemmy, in When you need to retire an old server

I watched the video. It was truly beautiful.

I think I would have cried a little if I were in his place.

ininewcrow, in you guys are spying
@ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

NSA wearing all your clothes and chatting with your wife inside your house: what’s up guys!

neonred, in what's your ubuntu?

Debian. So that would be Noteviluntu.

garden_boi, in When In Doubt, Tenuki

That’s my first go reference on lemmy, nice! Do we have any communities yet for our supreme game?

h3mlocke, (edited )

There are a few although I haven’t looked at them in months

Search for: baduk

cypherpunks,
@cypherpunks@lemmy.ml avatar

there is /c/weiqi@lemmy.ml (no posts this year) and /c/baduk@lemmy.ml (many posts this year but none in the last 3 months)

tetraodon, (edited ) in Linux mint = best beginner distro

As an Arch user, I love Mint. On my wife’s laptop. So I can focus on breaking mine.

Honytawk, in You have no power here

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware

I fucking hate the mentality that Linux is somehow completely safe.

Just because it isn’t attacked as much because of the low adoption rate among users, doesn’t mean it has no vulnerabilities.

Ooops,
@Ooops@kbin.social avatar

Malware for desktop users is the low hanging fruit with little rewards. You just hear about it because it's so rediculous easy.

The real money is on servers, so that's were real money/work is invested to develop malware for much higher gains. How successful are they again?

Streetdog,

That’s exactly why only the rich get scammed.

Ooops, (edited )
@Ooops@kbin.social avatar

Of course not. There is a market for investing very little for some cheap malware and then putting it out there, waiting for the small amount of people (out of a billion of desptop users) falling for it. Also you go for the weakest link in defense, so scamming random desktop users is rarely a technical feat. It usually exploits the human, not the system.

But we also all know how money is actually distributed. So millions of random users being scammed for some money is still not the high reward scenario a server is. Much more work is invested there because the rewards are so much higher. And yet even then you often target people as the weak link. System security for a company is mainly user security. Teaching them to not fall for for scams as an entry way to the system. And there are a lot of professionals that basically made this their own social science of how I convey those things the best, how I enforce and regularly refresh those lessons, how to make people stick to best practices.

Are you trying to tell me this all happens in parallel to a technical server structure that actually isn't that safe but rarely exploited because nobody could be bothered to check for vulnerabilities as it's just Linux and the adoption rate is low?

Gork, (edited )

I think you’re right. A single desktop, unless it is either someone in a position of power or access to trade secret files, is not a time effective attack vector.

A server on the other hand can access all of that stuff across an entire organization.

jol,

Not just that but whenever you hear that company xyz was hacked and their data leaked, what do you think was powering their servers? Most likely Linux. Sure, they usually have more things exposed to the internet, but users install way more apps so the attack surface is vastly bigger in home computers running Linux than servers.

banneryear1868,

A lot of critical vulns are exploiting cross platform applications, log4j…

Clbull, (edited )

With SteamOS and ChromeOS now having millions of users, Linux attacks will become more commonplace.

IIRC ChromeOS is either built on or can be configured to run applications like a Linux distro?

Honytawk,

Yes, so Linux better be ready, because those attacks will increase.

And sentiments like the one from OP don’t help one bit.

iamtherealwalrus, in You have no power here

Next you’re going to say www.cisecurity.org/benchmark/red_hat_linux exists for fearmongering.

Sept, in Bye bye edge

And still, it’s been years (even decades) that all computers in France were supposed to be proposed without OS preinstalled and yet it’s very difficult to find one, or even to be refunded the licence Price a posteriori. Laws are being voted, removed, revoted, reremoved etc. and all justice actions have been a massive failure for consumers. I hope this law will be more applied than what we had until now.

We are moving the correct way but we still are so far from equity.

Blackmist, in Bye bye edge

“Oh man, I’d love to use Linux because then I wouldn’t have to have Edge installed!” - Nobody. Ever.

People use Windows because it comes with the PC and it runs all their shit (maybe except some yellowing-beige and blue scanner from 1997) with no fucking about needed. They were never incentivised to use Linux. They don’t know what an OS is, and more importantly, they don’t care.

xkforce,

Also most software is written for that default os and if they ran into most of the common issues linux users do theyd throw it in the bin.

Asudox, in you guys are spying
@Asudox@lemmy.world avatar

Please put the image link in the URL field instead of the body. Otherwise, you need to click to view the image

GravitySpoiled,

Thx

Asudox,
@Asudox@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks. Consider also removing the body as to not make the image seem duplicate.

GravitySpoiled,

I did, may be a caching error?

Asudox,
@Asudox@lemmy.world avatar

Probably. Take care

grandkaiser, in You have no power here

Security through obscurity is not security

SrTobi,

That’s why I use NixOS. Double the obscurity, double the security!

SmoothIsFast,

Say that too loudly, and you might upset the apple crowd lol

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