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RoyaltyInTraining, in Completely untrue nowadays...
@RoyaltyInTraining@lemmy.world avatar

I never had any problems printing or scanning on Linux. Meanwhile my dad’s PC bluescreens from opening the driver UI.

ahriboy, in Oh boy, goodie!
@ahriboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Let me clarify, only the Steamboat Willie version of Mickey Mouse characters are in public domain, not the recent versions as Disney holds the copyright. In a few years, more Mickey Mouse shorts will become public domain.

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot,

Personally, I don’t give a shit about whether Mickey Mouse is copyrighted or not. What I care about is all the other works that were kept from entering the public domain because Disney was constantly getting copyright extended.

voidMainVoid,

What’s funny is that Disney built their empire largely on public-domain works (such as fairy tales), but when it’s their turn to give back, they fight it tooth and nail. Classic getting to the top and then pulling up the ladder behind you.

detalferous,

Hard agree

MonkderZweite, in Oh boy, goodie!

XFCE is the Mickey Mouse under the desktop environments?

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

I hope not…

BigDanishGuy, (edited ) in Btw i used Arch!

Debian Bookworms REPRESENT!

Also … you know … try to see if you can push another penguin in

caseyweederman,

You misspelled Sid

brokenlcd, in Completely untrue nowadays...

On linux i was able to setup my hp laserjet no problem, cups recognised it just fine; the problem is with the integrated scanner, SANE sees that there is some sort of scanner but fails to talk to it, i have windows 10 installed on a usb key essentially only to use the scanner

Classy, in Completely untrue nowadays...

I got an amazing old HP office laser jet, a 1320n. Would Linux be able to print from it relatively easily? I had to work pretty hard to get it on W10.

JustARegularNerd,

I have a pair of LaserJet 2200dn printers, they work absolutely fine in any Linux distro but I just have to make sure to use the below driver in my case:

HP LaserJet 2200 Foomatic/lj4dith (grayscale, 2-sided printing)

If I use the default or hpcups drivers it takes fucking forever (over an hour!) to process the pages. Essentially if given the option go for the lj4dith driver for your LaserJet

cmgvd3lw, in Btw i used Arch!

Hannah Montana users be up in the Everest.

psycho_driver,

Why mess with perfection?

Ghyste,

Ewno.

takeda, in Btw i used Arch!

Arch? That’s so 2020. With NixOS you can just rollback if you make a mistake.

i.redd.it/tlmg36zoel671.png

I use NixOS BTW.

neonred,

nix-env / nix-channels / nix profile / homemanager ?

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

You can do that with any distro and BTRFS.

takeda,

That’s just a snapshot. What NixOS allows you to create configuration that will deploy your OS configured the way you like, possibly post it on places like GitHub deeply a new machine confused the exact same way.

You can even do something like this: grahamc.com/blog/erase-your-darlings/

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

You can do the same with void-mklive. Boot, install, you have the same system that is on the live USB on your HDD/SSD.

platypus_plumba,

I’ve never used btrfs. Can you give an example of an error and how it is corrected?

takeda,

BTRFS and ZFS filesystems offer lightweight snapshots. So you can save the state of the filesystem and restore it. It is often integrated with the package manager and a snapshot is involved before you make change.

NixOS works differently. You have a configuration file, and each time you make change to it NixOS rebuilds itself to its specification from scratch (you might assume it would be a lengthy process, but because of caching only things that are rebuilt are things that you are changing).

This means that things like for example squeezing from KDE to Gnome or X11 to Wayland aren’t scary to try and you can easily revert things back, your home directory won’t be touched.

Also those things aren’t exclusive you can use BTRFS and ZFS on NixOS to and enjoy their benefits.

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

You can also exclude any directory you like from snapshots, including home, that’s not a problem.

takeda,

Yeah, you can if you plan well enough (typically. What I’m trying to illustrate is that this works by taking a snapshot of the disk in time. It’s like keeping a working copy of your system on your disk to be able to revert to.

While with NixOS you work with a “recipe” how your system is supposed to be configured. It is much lighter. It is declarative, you change the recipe and get what you described, you change configuration and all packages which you did not mention and are not used by anything are gone. If you update your system you can use the same configuration on it

The thing is that using can still get BTRFS or ZFS and use it to have snapshots too (for example your home directory)

bruhduh, (edited )
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

Nah man, 3 months ago i had fedora 38 btrfs, timeshift refused to work because subvolumes wasn’t done, but i installed everything in auto gui mode, i did them by the manual after installation, timeshift started working just fine, a week further update to fedora 39 came, i updated, everything broke because of subvolumes, i loaded fedora recovery mode from grub, tried to roll back with timeshift btrfs, it rolled back to 38 but everything was still broke, and more over, whole ssd with this installation became locked, had to recover data from completely locked up ssd, in the middle of the process it locked even further, so i couldn’t even copy some files when disk was connected as external

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

Have no idea what RH did that would do that during an update.

I manually set up BTRFS every time, haven’t had any problems. But, I use Void, not Fedora.

HuntressHimbo,

NixOS ended up disappointing me a fair bit. I just tried it recently and the KDE support seems very rough so far, or at least I couldn’t find good answers to how to configure it and theme it.

vox,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

kde theming os pretty much independent of your distro tho?

HuntressHimbo,

One of the main draw of NixOs is the reproducibility of builds, meaning that redoing the build will provide the exact same output each time, so Nix encourages you to make configuration changes through the package manager. I’ve mostly overcome my theming woes with home-manager now, but this comment was speaking to a little wrinkle I had when I was trying to learn and take advantage of the OS’s features as best I could.

takeda,

Home manager is the way to do it though.

The main configuration handles configuration of the system, home manager project was created to bring similar functionality for the user home directory. That’s where the name comes from.

Home manager also works great when using Nix on other systems to manage for files, for example on OS X.

MonkderZweite, (edited )

NixOS would be top and bottom, and the Orca, alltogether?

MaxHardwood, in Completely untrue nowadays...

Hardware problems are an entirely different issue.

Literally the biggest issue

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

To be honest, yes 🤷.

MonkderZweite,

called “quirks”.

orvorn, in Completely untrue nowadays...

I do freelance sysadmin work and Macs are actually the hardest to mass deploy printer configurations to.

dan,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

At my workplace we have sketchy-looking unsigned Applescripts to install printers on Macs. You have to find the right file for the printer you want to install, and run it, or ask IT to do it for you.

It’s not ideal, but everyone that tries to improve the printing experience ends up ragequitting. Last I heard, someone in IT was looking into some sort of “print anywhere” solution where you just install one virtual printer driver and print to it, then scan your badge at any printer to see all your print jobs and print them. Not sure what the status is with that though - haven’t heard about it for a while.

maxwellfire, (edited )

I thought I saw that Mac has the same CUPS print service/printer manager that Linux uses? In fact it seems like apple developed it. I think that helps enormously with standardizing printer configs. www.cups.org/doc/admin.html

dan,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

I think it does; it’s just automated installation of new printers that’s an issue as far as I know. Not 100% sure since I’m a software developer rather than an IT support person, so I never deal with stuff like that.

orvorn,

Enterprise grade MFD printers often have a lot of features that don’t get detected/mapped automatically, such as finishing options like staples and folding, as well as color management. I’m not a printer expert, I try to avoid them when possible, but I know that mass deploying those specific configurations in a safe and sane way seems basically impossible.

On the Fedora-based Linux machines, however, all of that seems to just pop in automatically, so I don’t think it’s a CUPS problem.

EvacuateSoul,

If you need one, staple by hand. If you need 30, make 29 copies with staple, and while they’re printing, staple the one by hand.

Or at least that’s what I would have said in my IT days lol.

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

It’s my understanding that CUPS was developed at Apple.

esc27,

Apple bought CUPS then did little with it, causing the main dev to leave and fork the project.

cm0002,

Macs are usually the hardest to do of any sort of enterprise management. But printers? Holy fuck, its a nightmare lmao

Bishma, in Let's go! (sorry i used WSL i have my own reasons for it...)
@Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

watch -n 1 date

bloopernova,
@bloopernova@programming.dev avatar

I was going to post exactly that, lol

Picture_Pig,
@Picture_Pig@lemmy.world avatar

nice

TheGreenGolem,
@TheGreenGolem@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

No, that’s a specific number.

Picture_Pig,
@Picture_Pig@lemmy.world avatar

what

TheGreenGolem,
@TheGreenGolem@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

69 -> nice.

I referenced an overused, childish joke.

mypasswordis1234, (edited )
@mypasswordis1234@lemmy.world avatar
Picture_Pig,
@Picture_Pig@lemmy.world avatar

it used for cpu cores

youngGoku,

Same

Picture_Pig,
@Picture_Pig@lemmy.world avatar

what does it do?

Bishma,
@Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

it runs the date command once per second until you hit ctrl+c

Picture_Pig,
@Picture_Pig@lemmy.world avatar

tysm!

simpleslipeagle,

-d if you’re feeling sporty.

Bishma,
@Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

If we’re adding dramatic flourish, I’ll suggest watch -n 1 ‘date | cowsay’

Picture_Pig,
@Picture_Pig@lemmy.world avatar

tysm

azerial, (edited )

man watch

Nice command! Thanks!

edit: md

indepndnt, in Completely untrue nowadays...

No joke, printing is like the #1 thing I like most about switching from Windows to Linux. I still get errors about the bypass tray every time I try to print from Windows. I’M NOT USING THE BYPASS TRAY!

0x4E4F,
@0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works avatar

Ah, the famous bypass tray… I still have no idea why they made those…

mlg, in Completely untrue nowadays...
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

CUPS is absolutely amazing compared to windows printer drivers which had whole ass critical CVEs several times already.

Even Apple uses CUPS

aard,
@aard@kyu.de avatar

CUPS is horrible, and also had its share of critical vulnerabilities. It is just better than the LPD mess we had before.

It is not a Linux specific thing - it was developed when there still were a lot of UNIX variants around. Apple was a very early contributor, and had quite a bit of influence in making it successful.

c10l, (edited )

It’s no surprise Apple uses CUPS. They wrote it, after all.

Edit: TIL Apple didn’t write CUPS themselves but they bought the company that did it pretty early in the game. Here’s a LWN article from the time, exposing some of the worries that came with the news of the acquisition: lwn.net/Articles/242020/

mdd, in Completely untrue nowadays...

WTF? Is this about using inkjets on WiFi?

Kolanaki, (edited ) in Completely untrue nowadays...
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

I would only think them to work better on Linux because the software you’re using isn’t made by the printer company. Their software sucks. The hardware sucks, too. They’re made to be shit because a perfect printer isn’t profitable.

monsieur_jean, (edited )

Since I've moved in South East Asia, I have discovered that:

  • Almost every single printer that exists has a conversion kit available on Taobao to use big ink bottles
  • There's not a single firmware that hasn't been hacked, nor a single part that hasn't been cloned
  • Therefore, most printer manufacturers have a specific line of durable products that allows the use of third party ink because if they don't, other people will bank of their product maintenance and they won't sell much.

The only reason we in developped country get scammed like we are, is because of IP laws and governments that allow manufacturers to abuse them with no consequences at the expense of the customers (and the planet).

mr_right,
@mr_right@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

conversion kit available I would like to hear more about those conversion kits and what are they reused for.

monsieur_jean,

Look up your printer model number on Alibaba. Or better yet, on Taobao (but if you don't speak Chinese it's a bit complicated). Your options depending on the printer you have are going to be :

  • Print heads conversion kits (a replacement of the complete print heads module with tubes feed from ink bottles attached outside your printer)
  • Refillable ink cartridges
  • Counterfeited Compatible ink cartridges that cost a fraction of the official ones while having 10 times more ink in them.

Now depending on where you live and the local laws it may or may not be legal to import those. In the country I live in there is no law against it. In most South East Asia the law doesn't care about that and if it does, law enforcement doesn't. :)

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