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EfreetSK, in Need to switch to Hanna Montana Linux now
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Looking at your history, you really hate Ubuntu u/RmDebArc_5, don’t you?

RmDebArc_5,
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I don’t hate Ubuntu, it used to be my favorite distro and I haven’t found anything that really replaces it. I hate Canonical for destroying my favorite distro

friend_of_satan,

Debian 12 is the best destination after Ubuntu if you’re switching because you hate stupid Canonical things. I switched a few months ago and it was really easy and has been awesome.

RmDebArc_5,
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I used Debian quite a while after switching from Ubuntu, but the outdated packages made me quit. I will probably try Debian testing/sid soon

electric_nan,

Linux Mint Debian Edition. Has a lot of the comforts and niceties you got from Ubuntu compared to Debian.

Lettuceeatlettuce,
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Been using this for the last few months on my laptop, overall a pretty solid experience.

pete_the_cat,

Go with Arch, it has just as many packages available as Ubuntu and more, if you use the AUR. If you want something more stable/less changing use the LTS kernel instead of the mainline kernel.

RmDebArc_5,
@RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml avatar

Currently on EndeavorOS

hersh,

Debian Stable is an excellent replacement for Ubuntu LTS.

Mint is an excellent replacement for mainline Ubuntu.

rikudou,
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Linux Mint?

18107,

Linux Mint Debian Edition

ExLisper, in Stability

I’ve been using Debian sid for over 40 years now and never had an issue with a broken package. What is this about?

Pantherina,

I think you did it wrong

brothershamus, in Need to switch to Hanna Montana Linux now
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what telemetry?

RmDebArc_5, (edited )
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Which version of Ubuntu you’re installing (including which flavour), Whether you have network connectivity, Hardware stats, including CPU, RAM, GPU, etc, Your device vendor (e.g., Dell, Lenovo, etc), Your country (based on the time zone you pick, not IP), How long your install took to complete, Whether you have auto login enabled, Your disk layout (how many hard drives and partitions you have), Whether you chose to install third party codecs, Whether you chose to download updates during install

(According to OMG!Ubuntu) Most distros offer optional telemetry, but Ubuntu’s is opt out not opt in (for GNOME you have to separately install the telemetry)

IsoKiero,

Ubuntu’s is opt out not opt in

I haven’t installed ubuntu in a while, but in EU you need to have prior consent from the user to gather any kind of data and if I remember correctly I haven’t seen such thing. And it’s not enough to bury that into documentation and say ‘if you use our software you allow us to blah blah’, you must get consent via an action from the user which spesifically allows that, so if telemetry comes silently with ‘apt dist-upgrade’ it’s not enough.

InFerNo,

I wish you the best in filing a complaint

brenno,

In Ubuntu in the post install screen theres is the telemetry screen where they explain it, allow you opt out and give you a json example of the data they’re collecting from your machine.

someacnt,

That sounds surprisingly tame list.

stergro, in Everyone loves snaps

I am a Linux user for over a decade but I have no idea what this discussion is about. Can someone give me a tldr? I install some software using apt and some using the store and never have any issues.

RmDebArc_5,
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If you install an app with apt and it has a snap it automatically installs the snap

Kethal, (edited )

I believe snaps are only installed by default on Ubuntu at this point. Debian has apt and I don’t think it installs a snap version unless you asked for that.

lemann,

I don’t think debian even has support for snaps built in, unless I’m mistaken? Most ubuntu derivatives also rip them out lol

Kethal, (edited )

Snaps are ways to ship software where everything is bundled together and the developer doesn’t need to sort out dependencies on the distribution. This often makes the package bloated. It has no direct benefits for users, but it makes life easier for developers. Thus, indirectly, users might get access to some software they would otherwise need to compile if no one’s got it readily available for the user’s distribution. Ubuntu appears mostly to be using it because they don’t want to bother sorting out dependcies. On Ubuntu, and only on Ubuntu as fast as I know, some packages in apt will install the snap version silently, which, I think rightfully, annoys a lot of users.

There are similar alternatives, like flatpak, which also bundle dependencies. Some aspects of snap are proprietary to Canonical, the makers of Ubuntu, so you’ll find people who are ok with the somewhat bloated software if it makes software more widely available, but aren’t happy with a proprietary format in what is largely an open community.

joystick,

Also sometimes run into weird permission problems with snaps, like with keypassxc browser integration.

LainOfTheWired, in Bye bye edge
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People have already proven they will put up with about anything Microsoft throws at them, so they were never going to switch anyway.

Also you still can’t uninstall the bootloader under windows.😆

AI_toothbrush,

Yeah people will download a patched windows iso, go through an extremely complicated install process to have everything the way they want, flip a few bits in windows with some shady ass tool and give up updates instead of just using linux.

m_r_butts,

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  • c0mbatbag3l,
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    Gaming performance on Linux is excellent, I’m getting stable 60FPS on single player games on my old 1050 equipped laptop from 2016 that weren’t even playable on the old Windows install.

    Anticheat however is a different story, and CoD DMZ/Zombies is where I spend most of my gaming time so it’s difficult to just give up a Windows install.

    sederx,

    we shouldnt value childrens opinions in adult conversations

    Jako301, (edited )

    Doing all that takes about 2 hours. The shady ass tool is also unnecessary since you can manually change the registry entries. Once it’s done I can install anything by double clicking the exe and it runs 99.9% of the time.

    Linux meanwhile only takes half an hour to setup and update (if we are talking about a beginner friendly one like mint cinnamon), but you will use a lot more hours trying to get everything to run. There rarely are good drivers for peripherals, to get even slightly more then the most barebone functions of my logitech gear I have to run a shady github project someone slapped together 3 years ago. The adaptive clock on my laptop doesn’t work, I loose about 2 hours of battery life and the touch pad stops working after a few hours.

    I dualboot a win10 ltsc version and mint. By now most stuff runs fine on Linux, but it has taken me 10 times the effort to get to that state compared to windows. And even now I occasionally have to fiddle with wine cause it decides that this specific programm isn’t to its liking. And that’s ignoring the issue it was to run anything with anticheat. That requires a VM with GPU passtrough to even remotely work.

    AI_toothbrush,

    In my experience everything already had drivers installed on linux. I think with the logitech stuff you mean the stupid configuration ui that would perfectly work on linux but they choose to not port it(you can still use it with wine for example). All my keyboards have qmk so that works on linux. A github project is much less shady because you can check the source code. Idk whats wrong with your trackpad. Battery life is hit or miss on linux, i get more hours on linux currently but only after installing some stuff. On ubuntu or mint the battery life should be good out of the box. Anticheat is basically anti-linux so ofc it wont work. For me backwards compatibility is better on linux than windows. When i try to run old software on windows it never works. Software support is pretty good nowadays but some professional stuff wont work. If you do that you should go mac lol.

    Honytawk,

    Good on you, but that is far from everyones experience with Linux.

    sederx,

    Once it’s done I can install anything by double clicking the exe and it runs 99.9% of the time.

    cybercriminal heavy breathing

    Jako301,

    That’s only an issue if you torrent your stuff in which case linux wont save you. A windows virus/cryptominer/keylogger/etc. won’t natively work on Linux, but it will work if used with wine.

    sederx,

    You joking right? Torrents are not the main attack vector XD who told you this fairy tale?

    Also imagine using wine, wtf

    LainOfTheWired, (edited ) in Need to switch to Hanna Montana Linux now
    @LainOfTheWired@lemy.lol avatar

    Just why?

    It’s been really sad watching them shoot themselves in the foot like this. They seem bent on destroying their distro. Which was the first distro I really used on an old laptop after trying a few.

    Man Ubuntu 16 those were the days.

    ininewcrow,
    @ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

    It’s also amazing they even try because a good percentage of Ubuntu users are likely knowledgeable tech users who like to stay aware of their software. Many of them are probably former or current Microsoft or Apple users who want to avoid big corporate OS systems because of creeping advertising.

    agressivelyPassive,

    Why? Because it’s working, at least for now.

    Canonical has pulled similar shit for years now. Remember the Amazon search integration? They do it again and again, yet most users stay.

    And I know, someone will comment “but I totally ditched Ubuntu and my one friend did too!!!”, but how is Ubuntu still the most popular distribution? Finding snaps is easier than finding flatpacks or debs or rpms. Finding support is easier, etc. This might be just momentum, but until that is running out, it’s working.

    Rodeo,

    He said Ubuntu 16, I believe the Amazon search fiasco was in 2012. He simply hasn’t been using Linux long enough to know that Ubuntu used to be good. His baseline user experience is probably gnome 3.

    So he’s comparing extra-shitty Ubuntu to shitty Ubuntu and saying it didn’t used to be shitty.

    Fabrik872,

    I know that amazon search was there also in 16.04 because it was my first distro and in my country i only briefly heard about amazon so it looked cool to me to have one button to order something but i never clicked on it because i tought it only works in rich countries or something. At that time i didnt gave a crap about privacy i was sold on it because i liked the design of unity and the fact that it looks different than school pcs with windows so it didnt remind me school

    LainOfTheWired,
    @LainOfTheWired@lemy.lol avatar

    Ubuntu actually still had the unity desktop environment when I started using it. And I wasn’t happy when they switched to gnome. Thats part of why I stopped using it

    konalt, (edited ) in Cinnabuntu
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    sheepishly, in Need to switch to Hanna Montana Linux now
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    Hannah Montana Linux, huh? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aotzo4tyvM4

    A_Random_Idiot,

    Thought for sure that was gonna be the MJD video. How wrong I was.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdRSq9cetVY

    comfydecal, in Come to the Linux side of the force

    I think this would be funny if the NSA didn’t consider Linux users to be a radicalized threat

    Secret300,

    But I am

    cyanarchy,

    That’s based as hell

    Xirup, in ubuntu a granel (bulk ubuntu)

    What’s that supposed to say? Or what I’m not understanding?

    404, (edited )

    “Ubuntu a granel” means “Free of charge” in Kinyarwanda (according to Google Translate).

    Edit to add: It’s spoken in Rwanda.

    See also en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_philosophy

    cocolopez, (edited )
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    It’s like “take as much as you want”.

    This was outside a minimarket

    Judicus,

    It translates to “free of charge” or something to that end.

    Ubuntu is a Bantu (broad language family of about 600 African languages including Zulu) term meaning something like “humanity” or “community”

    Near as I can tell, Granel is borrowed from spanish and in isolation would mean “grain”

    sneezycat,
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    “A granel” in Spanish means “in bulk”. It’s used when you go to a store and you put however much of whatever you need in a bag. Usually done with veggies.

    badbytes, in Bye bye edge

    Plenty more reasons, thank you very much.

    HeyThisIsntTheYMCA, in Cli for the win
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    You take your fancy numbers and git!

    21Cabbage, in Cinnabuntu

    You’re not wrong you’re just rude.

    manefraim, (edited ) in Come to the Linux side of the force

    The amount of woosh in this thread. Hold onto you’re hats, everyone.

    cosmicrookie,
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    Your right

    ogoflowgo,

    *rite

    Johnmannesca, in They’re in no position to complain
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    I remember having issues with Wireshark on Windows since it doesn’t include a lot of libs that it can use to monitor traffic. Does that count on the list?

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