v4ld1z,
@v4ld1z@lemmy.zip avatar

I won’t stand for the vegan bashing

surewhynotlem,

Of course not. With the lack of iron and protein you need to complain while sitting.

-a vegetarian

RubberElectrons,
@RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t mock too much, that lack of B12 be sneaking up on us both lol

JoMiran, (edited )
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m vegan for health reasons and I have yet to meat one of the infamous vegans the stereotype portrays. I ask questions, look for recipes, etc, and everyone has been super nice. I think “those vegans” live primarily on Twitter and Reddit.

PS: I’ve had a working Linux system in daily use since I started back with Red Hat Halloween and I prefer Debían based installs like Pop!_OS and Mint D. Nothing against Arch but I ain’t got time to fight the OS as well as my work.

EDIT: The typo stays.

Faresh,

This is very likely my very environmentally influenced view, but I think there was a period of time where being vegan was a trend among the health hipsters, who weren’t vegan due to ethics, but because either everyone else was doing it or because they claim it has massive health benefits like they did for paleo, keto or other diets. Those I think could indeed fit that stereotype. Or maybe I’m living in a fairy tale.

otp,

They’re also on Lemmy. I haven’t been here long, but I’ve already seen 2.

One is right here in another comment chain, lol

captainlezbian,

I’ve met one or two. It’s like fine, it’s a major lifestyle change often associated with ethics that sets you aside from most of society. Many folks have a period of a few months to a year or two of being really annoying about shit like that. It happens with all sorts of folks: linux and arch users, freshly out queer people, people getting into polyamory, new converts to religions… frankly atheists and people who just converted to Christianity are the worst about it in my experience. And yeah these people are annoying. You’ve been annoying too I’m sure, we all have, it’s part of being a person and the people being annoying about these things are typically doing so at an age where some variant of that is a common experience

jacobc436,

Surprisingly sane take, I forget sometimes that not everything on the internet is straight cynicism. Ty.

JoMiran, (edited )
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

I’ve been annoying? I’VE BEEN ANNOYING?!? I take offense of your liberal use of the past tense, Captain.

I hear ya though. I guess I’ve been lucky in my interactions, but the memes make it seem like it’s constant and ever present with vegans, and that doesn’t match with my experience outside of the Internet.

Samsy,

Yeah, that’s too much.

I eat chicken, btw.

Just_Pizza_Crust,

Part of being vegan is understanding you’ll be mocked and criticized for completely unrelated things. Like Bubly sparkling water or blue denim, for example.

seaQueue,
@seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

I know what you mean, I always sit down first.

Cornpop,

I’ll stand for it in your absence.

_cnt0,

Do you do CrossFit™?

mihnt,
@mihnt@lemmy.world avatar

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  • kttnpunk,
    @kttnpunk@lemmy.world avatar

    You have elevated levels of stress hormone (and deserve it) if you eat animals, btw.

    vettnerk, (edited )

    Then WTF did the plants do to you?

    captainlezbian,

    They know what they fucking did. They domesticated my species

    kttnpunk,
    @kttnpunk@lemmy.world avatar

    Hmmm, Greatly lower my risk of heart disease and parasites overall? Allow me to enjoy deep-frying and carbs guiltlessly? Make me feel like I can fight god and win?

    LemmysMum,

    Vegans just casually setting up a class system upon which to value one life above others.

    VaultBoyNewVegas,

    Cannibals are the real equalists. They don’t discriminate on where their meat comes from and probably eat some veggies with their braised butt.

    LemmysMum,

    I respect the life of my vegetables as much as I respect the life of my meat, show me a vegan who says they do likewise and I’ll show you a hypocrite.

    Zacryon, (edited )

    Sooo when was the last time you had dog?

    LemmysMum, (edited )

    You mean a form of life that I give better care and affection to than they would receive in the wild? About the same time I had a house plant.

    I’ll let you guess which one I don’t have anymore because I realised I lacked the skills and capacity to care for it adequately. Hint: it wasn’t the dog.

    When was the last time you made direct statements instead of disingenuous leading questions?

    Zacryon,

    You mean a form of life that I give better care and affection to than they would receive in the wild?

    No. The last time you ate dog.

    By the way, there are not many dogs in the wild. There wouldn’t be many dogs at all if we wouldn’t breed them.

    When was the last time you made direct statements instead of disingenuous leading questions?

    Regularly. Yesterday before I went to bed must have been the last time. But I tend to make exceptions when I smell narrow-minded condscending bullshit.

    How is your equal respect for vegetables and meat reflected in your daily actions and decisions, also – but not only – considering your diet?

    You probably don’t eat dog, do you? If not, how is that not hypocritical? The one animal you eat, the other you don’t. So much for an equal respect and treatment.

    Even if, how do you respect the life of the meat you eat? Do you care for each cow yourself? Do you make sure that they are not bred for efficiency, neither having pain nor experiencing fear, live in absolute freedom until they die a natural death and only then you eat their remains?

    LemmysMum,

    I smell narrow-minded condscending bullshit.

    Zacryon,

    gz

    PainInTheAES,

    ತ⁠_⁠ʖ⁠ತ

    lankybiker,

    Like you don’t need to fix shit with Fedora

    It’s good but it’s not left perfect

    umbrella, (edited )
    @umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

    I barelt have to fix anything at all in Ubuntu/Fedora type distros unless I want to do different/specific stuff.

    c0mbatbag3l,
    @c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

    All my peripherals, NICs, and basic services worked out of the box. I had games up and running in fifteen minutes.

    Mine’s not technically stock fedora, but still.

    Damage,

    Tbh I don’t remember the last time I had to fix something on Fedora…

    RiderExMachina, (edited )

    There are some minor choke points (restorecon if installing with a “dirty home” and installing RPMFusion), but yeah, otherwise it does a great job of staying out of your way.

    Pantherina,

    For me:

    • remove fedora flatpak
    • add flathub
    • remove preinstalled bloat (especially annoying on GNOME as these apps all have weird names)
    • add user to libvirt plugdev groups
    • setup automatic updates is weird, packagekit sucks a bit
    • Gnome software sucks, KDE Discover + Flatpak is way easier. But the flatpak backend is probably preinstalled
    • add rpmfusion on KDE needs CLI poorly, but nothing unfixable
    • install libavcodec-freeworld
    trash80,

    When did Arch replace Gentoo?

    zeet,
    @zeet@lemmy.world avatar

    You think a Gentoo user would appear in a comic with a graphical interface?

    qwertyqwertyqwerty, (edited )

    It takes an extra 16 months of work or so, but you can technically get a GUI working in Gentoo.

    /s

    tdawg,

    You just made me choke on tea. I hope you’re proud

    sharkfucker420,
    @sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

    And I’ll keep using it

    pelya,

    You don’t install Fedora. You buy a server with pre-installed Fedora and a three-year support contract.

    You don’t care about updates. You don’t care if it breaks. You just get a replacement server, covered by a contract.

    ninjan,

    While RHEL and Fedora are siblings we can’t mix em’ like that. At least I haven’t ever seen a server with Fedora pre-installed, or anyone offering support on a Fedora server…

    pelya,

    We have a piece of fancy and expensive radio equipment in the office, the control part is a Fedora server, with precompiled binaries that run that piece of hardware. Every system library has frozen version, if you upgrade the OS the whole system stops working, and you just reinstall the disk image from the archive, and by reinstall I mean use dd to overwrite the hard drive partition from a supplied DVD.

    ninjan,

    Huh, at least it’s Linux I guess? I’ve seen plenty Windows XP hanging around controlling expensive medical equipment and one time even a system were the control part was Windows 3.1. Air gapped not for security but because the server didn’t have a NIC.

    _cnt0,

    You really shouldn’t run fedora on production servers.

    mateomaui,

    Debian guy could have saved time by connecting to lan after boot and installing the wifi package directly.

    everett,

    Or for laptops with no Ethernet, USB-tether a phone.

    mateomaui,

    I completely forgot there are laptops with no lan port now.

    dezmd,
    @dezmd@lemmy.world avatar

    NOT IN THIS HOUSE THERE AREN’T, YOUNG MAN!

    user224,
    @user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    For some reason, this didn’t work on my old phone after installing PixelExperience 11 on it.
    There’s a third way. Bluetooth. At least you don’t need a cable, and you’ll save power.

    For that reason, I usually use Bluetooth instead of Wi-Fi, unless I need higher bandwidth (except during peak hours of network usage, when my connection speed is below 1Mbps anyway).

    caseyweederman,

    Or installed Bookworm.

    mateomaui,

    Guess it depends on hardware, I still had to add the wifi driver for bookworm.

    HyonoKo,

    Happened to me a few times already that the ethernet drivers are unfree.

    mateomaui,

    WHAT?! I would have never guessed that. Lan has always seemed to be the one part that’s dependable, no matter what’s booting.

    HyonoKo,

    Last time was the integrated lan card in an MSI motherboard if I remember correctly.

    _cnt0,

    shakes fist at heaven

    Damned thou shalt be, Atheros gigabit ethernet chip!

    kttnpunk,
    @kttnpunk@lemmy.world avatar

    I’ve found Garuda pretty much gets you all the perks of Arch without the drawbacks and installs just as quickly as debian if not faster. And I love ancient Linux memes as much as anybody but neither Debian or fedora is much to write home about nowadays IMHO.

    aniki,

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  • PainInTheAES,

    It doesn’t come with a cool gamer theme out of the box 😎😎

    embed_me,
    @embed_me@programming.dev avatar

    Almost none

    m_r_butts,

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  • kttnpunk,
    @kttnpunk@lemmy.world avatar

    Endeavour is a great alternative IMHO, but Garuda’s development is definitely more skewed towards gaming and comes with a lot preinstalled/preconfigured.

    Holzkohlen,

    I’d say it’s even more simple. Comes with stuff like snapper and zram preconfigured and a bunch of tools to do various things. I use their KDE lite version since I do not like their theme AT ALL.

    xeekei,

    Maybe Debian guy and Fedora guy should get a room. Btw.

    _cnt0,

    You can join btw :P

    tetraodon, (edited )

    When I finish setting up Wayland btw, pleb

    xeekei,

    In a bit, still picking aur helper, it’s harder than it looks since the community switches favorite every month.

    dual_sport_dork,
    @dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

    My first real experience with installing/running Linux on my own machine back in the day was with Gentoo. My experience was basically the same as Arch guy there, except with the added step of compiling every single component from source. On a Celeron equipped laptop. Nobody warned me about that part.

    It took fucking ages. I was stuck in textmode land with Matrix code flying up the screen for like three fucking days, before I even got to a shell prompt.

    I gave up. I just run Debian now.

    banneryear1868,

    I remember back in 2000s Gentoo was a distro you got cred for being able to install.

    boomzilla, (edited )

    I was in an IT school around 2012. I thought I was the only one using Linux besides Windows (predominantely though). I wasn’t. He was daily-driving Gentoo where most of the students haven’t even heard of Linux the kernel before confronted with a bash shell in a course.

    I’d say in 2000 only the nerdiest people, academics or professionals knew the difference between say Red Hat or Gentoo at least here in Central Europe. Windows 95 (and 98) came pre-installed on every OEM PC and the best windows to that date (2000) would come out that year and I guess everybody was hyped for XP. Saying you are compiling your kernel and software yourself with GCC would have only got you puzzled faces instead of kudos in 2000 here.

    rhacer,

    After you’ve done Linux from scratch, Gentoo is a walk in the park

    user224,
    @user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    I should maybe attempt that at some point.

    But knowing my brain, I’ll just forget everything 0.4 seconds after I am done.

    rhacer,

    I did mine closer to 20 years ago, I’m guessing things might have changed a bit since then. That said I ran Gentoo on an IBM ThinkPad for about five years before switching to OSX.

    netwren,

    Honestly this is the reason I want an immutable build of Arch like NixOS.

    Let me roll back my mistakes and I could live more happily with rolling release.

    takeda,

    I love it, because you can also get best out of both worlds in relation to the comic discusses. You can personalize OS to your liking, and the entire configuration is in a file, so you can redeploy the same setup again.

    PainInTheAES, (edited )

    I feel like I keep posting this everywhere but there’s a project called AstOS that attempts this. Also someone clued me in on this distro neutral solution. AshOS. Full disclosure I haven’t used either.

    netwren,

    I’m looking to reload my daily driver and there’s just not enough support for that.

    PainInTheAES,

    Oh totally fair, it doesn’t have a huge maintainer base for sure. But it’ll never be anyone’s daily driver if no one knows about it.

    takeda, (edited )

    It looks like solutions like these miss the whole point of what Nix is trying to do. Nix comes with the belief: “Unix has some fundamental issues, because it was designed in specific way. If we store things differently it works really well, and we even get those cool properties for free”.

    The authors of those projects instead of thinking “this looks interesting, and it is a paradigm shift but it might be worth to to try feel like Linux noob for some time and start thinking a bit differently how the file system is structured to see if this change is really worth it”

    Instead it is: “I don’t need to be PhD in Computer Science (whatever that means), here is how I can force this Nix feature or two on traditional Linux, with ansible, bubble gum and some duct tape and make it immutable-ish, which fails sometimes but, hey, it has the same feature on paper.”

    PainInTheAES,

    Well to be fair I think it’s because they aren’t trying to be NixOS. You could leverage those arguments against any distro that’s trying out an immutable flavor. Which is mostly accomplished through btrfs features.

    I agree that Nix/NixOS does a lot more and it’s a genuinely impressive and paradigm shifting project but it does break with traditional Linux layouts and thinking in a way that immutability doesn’t necessarily have to do.

    You could also make the same argument with the systemd and non-systemd crowd.

    Either way I look forward to the future of both immutability projects and NixOS. I feel like both areas still need a bit of work but they’re both really exciting fields.

    IjonTichy,
    Shatur,
    @Shatur@lemmy.ml avatar

    You can downgrade packages on arch too via downgrade.

    Schmeckinger, (edited )

    If your pc still boots.

    Shatur, (edited )
    @Shatur@lemmy.ml avatar

    Just add rescue to kernel options (if you use GRUB, press e to edit it for the current boot) and it will boot into console from which you can do downgrade.

    seaQueue,
    @seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

    When I started using Arch I just set it up on a btrfs filesystem and wrote a simple btrbk hook to take a snapshot before any package updates. That made it trivial to unfuck anything that broke after an update. I can’t remember the last time I had to roll the system back but it’s nice for peace of mind.

    CarlosCheddar,

    That’s quite clever, are there any guides for getting that set up? I’m using btrfs but haven’t gotten into snapshotting yet.

    seaQueue, (edited )
    @seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

    Start by playing with subvolumes and snapshots so you can get a feel for how they work. Once you’ve got that down you can break down your root filesystem into sensible subvolume chunks (/, /home, /var/log, /var/cache etc) so that you only snapshot relevant content during each update. I wrote a btrbk config at that point, tested it a few times and then wrote a pacman hook to fire it on install, update or package remove events and went from there.

    Here’s what I use to take snapshots - you’ll need to write an appropriate btrbk config file for your subvolume layout but it’s otherwise feature complete. gitlab.com/arglebargle-arch/btrbk-autosnap

    Like I mentioned above, I haven’t actually needed to roll the system back in ages but I get a lot of mileage out of being able to reach back in time and grab old versions of files for comparison.

    Time shift is a lot easier if you’re just starting out but it also requires a specific subvolume structure and isn’t very flexible.

    Edit: pro tip: don’t make /var a separate subvolume from /, it’s way, way, way too easy to roll one or the other (/ or /var) back without the other. If you do that by accident pacman’s state becomes out of sync with the running system and everything breaks. Stick to splitting frequently rewritten data like /var/cache and /var/log off, leave /var itself in the root subvolume.

    penquin,
    @penquin@lemmy.kde.social avatar

    Timeshift, Timeshift auto-snap, and btrfs in the grub menu to have your snapshots there, too. Auto-snap takes a snapshot automatically whenever you upgrade or install some packages.

    Klaymore,
    @Klaymore@sh.itjust.works avatar

    You mean like nixos-unstable, the rolling release channel of NixOS?

    netwren,

    Well yeah obviously like NixOS. My reason for not using it is that they use a non standard Linux filesystem and it renders a # of packages I want to install incompatible.

    russjr08,
    @russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net avatar

    In that case, couldn’t you just use something like btrfs snapshots + Timeshift to pull this off?

    netwren,

    Yeah you could put some together I think, possibly with OverlayFS as well.

    I feel like the value those distros add is not just the rolling mechanism but the package manager being tied into it.

    So you just use the package manager like any other and it works.

    iopq,

    Which packages?

    1. Check nixpkgs unstable, they might have been added in the last few months before stable release
    2. Try steam-run, it will run binaries like you’re in a normal distro

    I ended up packaging the thing myself, actually. The best part is my pull request was approved and I was able to contribute my work

    cpw,

    Debian guy could have just downloaded the nonfree installer that includes some common wifi and other hardware firmwares. There are some pragmatists at Debian.

    Jumuta,

    before debian 12 though, it was kinda hard to find the nonfree netinstaller on their site

    caseyweederman,

    Also… It’s included in all versions starting with Bookworm.

    n00b001,

    Well… Say that to my live USB I tried booting off of a machine with a very modern nVidia card. I had to create a new boot entry to disable nouveau and install nVidia proprietary graphics into a persistent partition.

    I understand nVidia is shit, and doesn’t play nice with others. But my point is - it’s not always that easy. (I thought it would be! I lost many hours, and pulled out lots of hair!)

    rambaroo,

    The boot entry is for secure boot. It would be required by any distro not just Debian.

    n00b001,

    It’s not related to secure boot (I have that disabled) it’s related to nouveu drivers not supporting the 4090 (yet)

    _cnt0,

    Not in the good old days. Back in 2000something I built a custom installer image with a backported kernel from testing and some firmware to get debian installed on a new laptop.

    Pantherina,

    Agree but Debian is still damn manual compared to many Fedora quality of life improvements.

    Meanwhile, removing snaps and replacing with flatpaks on a set up ubuntu system is crazy! All those loop mounts suddenly start showing up when snapd is gone

    BlinkerFluid,
    @BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one avatar

    I quit using Arch after about ten years of using it because Team Fortress 2 quit working and none of the resolutions on protondb fixed my issue.

    Priorities, people.

    Confetti_Camouflage, (edited )
    @Confetti_Camouflage@pawb.social avatar

    The 32bit libtcmalloc_minimal.so.4 that all Source 1 games ship with needs to be updated. You can symlink it to your system’s version to get TF2 running again. It’s usually only a matter of time before it starts to effect more downstream distros.

    The other problem I have with TF2 is queueing for casual just stops for no discernable reason or error every time, even if I’m not the party host. But then I come back later and it works again? Only real solution I’ve found is to have my friends queue without me and then join after they’ve found a match.

    BlinkerFluid, (edited )
    @BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one avatar

    See, I did all that… and then audio broke. So, I couldn’t anymore, man. I probably could’ve copied the install, kept it updated and held it for a resolution but I just don’t demand that much from my builds anymore really. I went with Mint with XFCE and haven’t had a single issue since install. I’m good. If it comes down to Ubuntu’s base, a lot more eyes will be on the problem and I’ll sort it out then.

    takeda,

    I love how “unbiased” it is and I’m not even an arch user.

    _cnt0,

    Yah, I’m a huge fan of factual content. Biased people suck.

    Prunebutt,

    Not sure if ironic, or an incredible idiot.

    _cnt0,

    Could be both. There’s so many lunatics here, you can never be sure.

    spacesweedkid27,

    I don’t use arch btw

    miss_brainfart,
    @miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

    But… Endeavour though

    kucing,

    EndeavourOS gang rise up 🤘

    NoXzema,

    I started using EndeavourOS which is pretty close to Arch with a better installer. Uses their repos unlike Manjaro.

    seaQueue,
    @seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

    Friends don’t let friends use Manjaro

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