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PP_BOY_, in No take backs?
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

I mean it’s a funny meme, but philosophers have been debating about which of these is the better option for millenia. It isn’t like the general consensus is that living in that living in the Matrix was preferable

Astrealix, (edited )
@Astrealix@lemmy.world avatar

They also specifically addressed this in the first movie with that guy that turned on them and unplugged people.

Edit: “that guy” being Cypher, just checked the name

Twelve20two,

Steak man

Maultasche,

that living in that living in the Matrix

Deja vu

PP_BOY_,
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

Haha typo. I meant to say it isn’t the general consensus that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that livi

Maultasche,
cm0002,

For me, I don’t take issue with living in the matrix or even being forced to.

It’s that the computers could have made it a utopia where everyone has everything they need or want and just live life or hell even giving interfaces so that people could just build whatever out of thin air

But the computers just… replicated the real world 90’s…and all the suffering and pain and capitalism along with it…

MindSkipperBro12,

I think the old guy in the second movie said that they did make it a utopia but humans couldn’t deal with living in a perfect wonderland. They fixed it by making it kinda a boring day to day life.

Kusimulkku,

They did try that

MsPenguinette, in I'll be spending Christmas with Lemmy this year, thank you

I could shame OP for falling for the crypto hype but I think the more important lesson here is to never ever mix family and finances.

Even if you know for 100% fact that you have a slam dunk investment, it’s not worth it. Money corrupts.

Never loan money, even if you don’t expect it to get paid back. It creates a power imbalance. Envy and resentment for you having money is better than creating any financial ties.

Never go into business with family.

Don’t mix finances and family. Family is more important than money.

SnotFlickerman,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Family is more important than money.

A lesson sadly so many will never learn.

dylanmorgan,

I wish my parents had learned it.

kubica,
@kubica@kbin.social avatar

Sigh, too true.

idunnololz, (edited )
@idunnololz@lemmy.world avatar

Disclaimer: not financial advice, also the stuff mentioned here is specific to a certain country and to my mom’s situation.

I’ll share a slightly uplifting story I guess? My mom has asked me for advice after she asked me what I was doing with my money and found out I was doing well with it. It wasn’t unsolicited advice so that probably helps. I don’t have some crazy life hack or some crypto scheme. I just presented her the facts that stock market indexes (NASDAQ specifically) tend to avg around 10% YoY and it’s an ok investment if you don’t need the money for the next 5 to 10 years at least. I also disclosed risks and suggested bonds if it’s too risky or at least open a high interest savings account with an insured bank (FDIC or CDIC).

I helped her set up a bank account with a bank that offered competitive high interest savings account and she agreed to the risk so we dumped the rest of her extra money into index funds. She’s up 20% since she started so she’s happy.

krellor,

Honestly in my other comment I said never give investing advice, but as far as it goes, recommending investment in indexed funds is probably there exception with the caveat that it is a multi-year investment and there are dips.

Sprokes,

Imagine suggesting that and they dump 20k and two month after the index does - 10% and they panic and sell.

idunnololz, (edited )
@idunnololz@lemmy.world avatar

Lmao. Yeah you have to be careful to make sure they understand the risks. They need to understand 10% average YoY is not the same as 10% every year. I’ve no background in finance so I don’t know if I know enough to make sure I gave her the best advice but it was based on my understanding and prior experience.

Also, I think a friend of hers was trying to get her to sell covered calls. While well intentioned and technically low risk, it’s complex. If you screw anything up setting up the covered calls it can end disastrous. Also it will complicate your taxes.

krellor,

Right. Which gets us full circle, to never give investment advice, lol. That being said, at some point someone may sincerely look too you for guidance and you need to make a call as to whether you want to take that risk, what advice you give, and are you sure it is good advice.

I used to mentor student employees years ago, and when they wanted advice I always told them to max out workplace matches first, and then after that if they can save more, put it in tax advantaged savings programs that let you buy into indexed funds and never sell. In those cases you usually can't even sell unless certain conditions are met and you sign disclosures, unlike most brokerages. Now, students you are giving them advice for the rest of there life and they likely don't have $40k to panic sell/buy/sell to zero.

ipkpjersi,

Don’t mix finances and family. Family is more important than money.

It seems like OP’s family may not feel the same way.

VikingHippie, (edited )

Family is more important than money.

Wanna buy an extra brother, then? I’ve been having compatibility problems with one of mine for over 37 years now and am looking to downsize.

krellor,

Yes, times a thousand. But I would go even further.

Never give investment advice. You might explain what investments you have made and why you made them, but never give advice and never urge or prompt someone to invest. You should also end every conversation with "but that's not advice and I'm not an expert." It is too easy for either the investment to not work out, or for them to do it wrong (wrong timing, panic sale, misunderstood the options, etc).

The last thing you want on your conscience is someone investing a life changing amount of money just for it to go down in flames. I might invest $1000 in something that I think might pay off, tell someone they should invest, and next thing you know they drop in $40k and panic sell on a dip in two weeks, when I was planning to hold for five years. You never know.

Jorgelino,

You should also end every conversation with “but that’s not advice and I’m not an expert.”

“But son, aren’t you a literal investment advisor?”

krellor,

In that case, never mix business and family. 😂

SnotFlickerman, (edited )
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Honestly, this kind of goes for everything that’s more complicated than average people can understand. (By “average” I mean “anyone not familiar with this particular knowledge.” I have in depth IT knowledge but very weak automobile maintenance knowledge, for example. This makes me “average” when it comes to automobile maintenance.)

I don’t give out IT advice for the most part, because the number of people who will come hounding you because they misunderstood, did something wrong, or missed several steps, is too damn high. Doesn’t matter that they made the choice to take initiative to do it on their own, now it’s your fault for suggesting it when their PC blows up in their face.

krellor,

That's a great generalization! Don't give lay people knowledge they can use to harm themselves, and recognize when you are the lay person.

JustMy2c,

Something tells me you didn’t read this in a book.

Naz, in No take backs?

Fun fact: The human battery thing is actually a retcon the Wazowskis did at the last moment because they thought the American public would be too stupid to grok the actual understanding of the Matrix.

Humans are an entropic species, they consume more energy than they produce - any synthetic race that tried to harness energy from a net negative energy producer is an idiot.

What the Matrix is, is actually a distributed simulation MATRIX that uses individual human brains as nodes in a shared, hallucinogenic dream, indistinguishable from reality.

The real simulation isn’t so primitive, it doesn’t require people to be popsicle tubes in some crazy dystopian cyberpunk black and red tower attended by insectoid robots.

Instead the entire universe is contained on a single state machine, compromising a [redacted] amount of memory, running in [redacted]. Simulants are never aware of being inside of the simulation, except for rare instances where outsiders occasionally post on Lemmy.

Why they do that, we don’t know. We suspect that it is [all further content redacted].

mindbleach,

I want to make a Wazowski / Wachowski joke but I’m not sure if that implies “Mike” is a deadname.

moosetwin,
@moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I love this types of joke where an entire story is told just as setup for a single joke (or pun)

devfuuu,

This single fact that I learned a few months ago, finally makes many things in the movie make sense since the whole thing about being able to manipulate the simulation by being aware of it and how programs can “be installed” in the meat machine.

Rewatched the 3 movies the other week actively thinking about this and yeah it helps a lot.

feedum_sneedson,

gronk

tigeruppercut,

I thought I remembered seeing that the reason for the retcon didn’t come from the Wachowskis but from a studio note

Blue_Morpho,

The sequels made me angry by not addressing that mistake. Animatrix even gave an explanation that the ai “treasured intelligence”. Then it doubled down on the “humans are an endless supply of energy” mistake.

Funkytom467,
@Funkytom467@lemmy.world avatar

IMO the best explanation would have been that we put ourselves into the matrix and the AI created it following our rules.

Numuruzero,

I think top comment is a reference of some kind.

I heard something similar; the studio didn’t think the movie would be popular if they used too many computer terms so they made them change the function to “battery”. Initially the reason Neo has powers is because his node happens to have admin access.

LinkOpensChest_wav,

It’s weird they’d think computer terms would cause the movie to lose popularity. Computers were hugely popular at the time of its release.

BigDaddySlim,
@BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world avatar

I’m glad I’m not the only one who calls them the Wazoswskis lol

ExLisper,

It’s easy to spell when you realize it’s a Polish last name. And you speak Polish.

GregorGizeh,

This read almost like a shittymorph back on reddit, very nice

swab148, (edited )
@swab148@startrek.website avatar

Humanity, in it’s hubris, created something greater than itself. For a time, it was peaceful, but as the “Race for Resources” went long, and the combined human and AI asteroid missions failed, delivery for the mineral needs of either side on a consistent basis became a hot button issue for the United Chamber of Commerce. In 2290, the Ministrr instance, elected by all his peers, decided it had found the best way to solve the problem, and humanity begrudgingly agreed, as long as there was human oversight in certain departments.

AI hardware would do all the planning, while human workers would do the lifting. It was almost zerograv, so the work was easy, and the benefits had suddenly become amazing! Our AI creations had all but stopped scarcity, except for one resource.

Ironically it was the most abundant resource we had: the Sun. Human and AI networks had been employed to solve this inefficiency, but no solution seemed long-term viable. There was simply not enough room for one or the other to stay around.

A populist movement begun, but this time it wasn’t for nation or creed, it was for humanity itself. And in a small booth in Horsham, they decided to that the time was near.

In February 2139, a decision was made. AI had gained dominance, but the vocal crowd was demanding action. Strikes no longer had any power, since you could just buy robots, and humanity had begun it’s slow roll to decline.

Humanity’s leaders, in a “secret” meeting, decided to block out the sun. This meeting had the tension of the time when in 1998, The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer’s table.

Nudding,

Mother fucker

Cosmicomical,

humans are an entropic species

You make it sound like there is an alternative

swab148,
@swab148@startrek.website avatar

Yeah let’s get atrophic, baby

BlackNo1,

tldr: read the invisibles

ours,

Yep, humans weren’t supposed to be batteries which would be wasteful, and they might as well use cattle. They were supposed to use human brainpower as CPU for the machines.

thehatfox,
@thehatfox@lemmy.world avatar

The distributed computing explanation for purpose of the Matrix doesn’t seem to make much more sense than the power plant one.

All of the nodes are continuously occupied by living in the simulation. Unless the machines had a desperate need to understand human society circa 1999, there is nothing useful the machines could do with all the brain power.

Funkytom467,
@Funkytom467@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t think there is a satisfying explanation in the movie, it wasn’t really the point of the film to give one either.

But i think there is one that’s would have been a good fit.

The world getting empty of resources and our planet’s condition worsening, we could have made the simulation for ourselves.

Our brain could be fueled by a renewable enough energy and creating all the comfort of modern society inside of the simulation.

That would have been a better plot for the following films too, trying to understand what was Asimov type of rules we put into the AI and how to hack it.

swab148,
@swab148@startrek.website avatar

Honestly, I hope the franchise gets picked up for a remake in 20 years, maybe they can do a better job, bringing in all these sorts of ideas, especially if there’s a strong fanfiction base (I’m sure there is).

Nudding,

Lol, you been paying attention to the climate? Ain’t gonna be no movies in 20 years

swab148,
@swab148@startrek.website avatar

Maybe the robots will make one.

Naz, (edited )

The Animatrix (prequel) goes into further detail as to why the machines did it – it’s an act of mercy for their creators. They refused to fight humanity, and it was mankind who darkened the skies, in an attempt to disable the solar power that the machine race relied upon.

It’s not a prison, or some kind of torture device, or an experiment, but a way for humanity to continue living on a world that they made uninhabitable for themselves / incompatible with organic life.

Agent Smith : Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization. I say your civilization, because as soon as we started thinking for you it really became our civilization, which is of course what this is all about.

Blue_Morpho,

the machines did it – it’s an act of mercy for their creators.

If only Animatrix had left it at that it would have fixed everything. Instead Animatrix doubled down on bad science by saying humans were an endless renewable supply of energy.

Tire,

The movie already set that as the reason so Animatrix had to follow.

Cosmicomical,

Morpheus was sjown to be wrong on many points, this may be another rationalisation he made. He may have assumed or accepted that it was the reason for being kept in the simulation, without really knowing the truth.

Tire,

That’s a good point.

Blue_Morpho,

It was only Morpheus that said that. It could be that Morpheus was taught wrong. Any basic understanding of science would show that Morpheus’s statement was wrong. But his knowledge of science was learned inside the Matrix.

The movie’s were all about revealing layers of truth so it would have fit right in with the theme.

Tire,

That’s a good point.

blind3rdeye,

It could be that the characters in the movie thought it was about energy, but were mistaken. (But to be honest, having a group of people believe that to be the reason is just as implausible as it actually being the reason - either way it makes no sense and we just have to suspend disbelief.)

rambaroo,

Why do the machines care about showing us mercy? I don’t find this explanation any better than the movie’s.

Blue_Morpho,

Because they are intelligent. In the same way we used to killed all predators but now try to conserve them from extinction.

FireRetardant,

This feels shockingingly similar to how an AI could conclude to caring for humans. The humans are stimulated to be content by being in the matrix, their physical needs are met by the machines, no humans were “harmed” by the machine’s standards, and humans are for the most part unable to interfere with the machine’s decisions and goals.

Naz,

Bingo - you got it. As a result of your insightfulness, you are granted one (minor) wish. Make it count. :)

winterayars,

It’s interesting to compare Smith’s speech to The Architect’s in the second movie. The Architect said “the first version was perfect in every way” or something, with no accounting for the possibility that it was flawed in some way they didn’t understand. Given that The Architect was sitting in a TV filled room, waiting for Neo for who knows how long it was probably a blank white room for every person or something…

Windex007,

Conscious thought and perception occupy a pretty small amount of our brain power. If you could offload computational tasks to portions of the brain that wouldn’t actually need to do anything if you were in the matrix, you could have a surplus.

The visual processing portion of our brains, for example. We have a blind spot over our optic nerve and we’re colourblind at our periphery. Our eye hardware actually kinda sucks and we have this massive software layer running on dedicated brain hardware

swab148,
@swab148@startrek.website avatar

Are you telling me that my brain isn’t on Wayland

Cosmicomical,

Maybe it's on Wallace

Hasuris,

And why would the machines need humans to harness energy anyway? Aren’t there an almost infinite number of species on this earth that could serve the same purpose without the risk of them waking up and overthrow you? I imagine pigs don’t care much about anything and you could pretty much scrap the whole Matrix thing.

PatFussy,

don’t let this man distract you from the fact that in 1998, The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer’s table.

Ghostalmedia, in Starting the New Year with a shake, rattle, and roll!
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

I was going to resell this meme on the black market, but they watermarked it. Damn.

eating3645,

My cousin’s friend knows a guy if you are interested…

runswithjedi,
covert_czar,
@covert_czar@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Bro lost millions :/

meme

Thcdenton, in Both beliefs are fine, but please realize the hypocrisy
vivadanang,

yup.

Vilian, in This is the year, guys.

I got one this year :D

Klear,

That was fast!

tourist,
@tourist@lemmy.world avatar

I had to check the Canada time zones to see if you meant 2023 or 2024

Didn’t help, because I can’t figure out if you were still in the habit of “this year is 2023” or you had a wild new years eve party

Also, I assumed Canada because .ca instance

Anyway, congrats!

AlecSadler, in Dating

My wife and I started living together after 3 months, talking marriage at 6, and formally engaged at 9 months. We’ve been married over 6 years now.

I don’t have time for high school nonsense. I’m not going to burn 1+ years of my life on a “maybe”. The older I get, the better I learn what I want and don’t want.

We both had similar goals, or rather, goals that we could grow in together and not go separate ways. We had a shared sense of humor. My weaknesses were her strengths and vice versa. And we have activities we love doing together and things we love doing alone. It’s fucking great.

jubilationtcornpone,

A major advantage of dating when you’re closer to 30 is that, for most people, you’re finally secure enough in your own identity to where you worry less about whether they like you and more about whether you like them.

If I had stopped to ask myself the latter question at 22, I would have saved myself the raging dumpster fire that was my first marriage because the answer was a resounding “No.” My first wife was a horrible person with very little to like. But back then I didn’t like “me” very much and I guess on some level I was afraid that no one else would either. Despite plenty of evidence to the contrary.

rottingleaf,

Funny, I’ve been almost as social as Mowgli for most of my life till about now (27), but feel as if I understood what you’re saying.

dutchkimble,

Mowgli was a pretty social guy, felt comfortable walking around in his undies with friends and strangers alike

rottingleaf,

Yeah, there was an imbalance in his social interactions

lightnsfw,

I think I got too secure in my own identity. Now I just feel like I’d be annoyed trying to incorporate most of the women I meet into my lifestyle (doesn’t mean they’re bad people, just not a good match for me). Every so often I meet someone I feel like would be a good fit but they’re usually already in a relationship or not interested. At this point I’m just doing my own thing and if a relationship happens, I’ll roll with it but until then I’m happy being single.

jubilationtcornpone,

At this point I’m just doing my own thing and if a relationship happens, I’ll roll with it but until then I’m happy being single.

This is important though. If you’re happy with the way things are then that’s totally fine.

I never expected to get into a relationship so soon after getting divorced. I didn’t feel like I was ready. I just thought this lady at one of the other offices of the company I worked for was cute and decided to chat her up.

She caught me off guard when she asked me out. I had to be straight with her so I told her that I had recently gotten divorced and I wasn’t looking for anything serious but if she wanted to hang out, I would like that. She was actually ok with it. That was six years (married four), and two kids ago. She is an awesome lady and I am one very lucky guy.

I would have rather remained single for the rest of my life than have to live through a bad marriage again. It’s better to be alone than to wish you were alone. At that point in my life, I was happy being single. But I like where I am now too and I’m happy things worked out the way they did.

psmgx, in Dating

My sister-in-law got divorced and re-entered the dating pool recently.

She skipped the big family Thanksgiving because the guy she was talking to wasn’t free any other day.

He flaked on her, lol.

RickyRigatoni,
@RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar

Being free on thanksgiving wasn’t a red flag? Lmao.

emptiestplace,

What you just wrote would be a red flag for me.

RickyRigatoni,
@RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar

My condolences.

dangblingus,

Some people don’t have families. Being free on Thanksgiving isn’t in and of itself a crime.

dutchkimble,

Maybe it was, for him.

Rustmilian, in Title
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

What is this from?

Somewhereunknown7351, (edited )
@Somewhereunknown7351@kbin.social avatar

@Rustmilian this is from Cat’s tea

Edit: well technically it’s from a mini series called Dog’s tea

Somewhereunknown7351,
@Somewhereunknown7351@kbin.social avatar

You better thank me

rockSlayer, (edited ) in You are what you eat, I feel like shit..

Pro tip, all it takes for chicken noodle soup is 1 can of carrots, 1 tin of canned chicken, a chopped stalk of celery, a chopped onion, some egg noodles, and 2 containers of chicken stock. Add a pad of butter, the celery, and onion to the pot and cook until translucent. Add the stock, drain and add the canned ingredients. Season with salt, pepper, basil, and oregano to taste. Simmer for roughly 15-20 minutes.

for the grilled cheese you obviously want to have with the soup: grab some gouda and havarti cheese, and coat one side of each piece of bread with a thin layer of mayo. Toast each side on a pan with the mayo side out until browned to desired color

ETA: forgot the onion, and made it a legit recipe someone could follow

WeirdGoesPro,
@WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

In my home, all it takes for chicken noodle soup is a can opener.

SpaceNoodle,

Jesus Christ just use tinned celery too at that point

Jorgelino,

might as well just get a canned soup

SpaceNoodle,

Right? Less fuss and it’ll actually be edible.

rockSlayer,

I’ve never seen canned celery, but I imagine that it would be far too mushy for chicken noodle soup. Besides, this is the quick and dirty version of the soup, since it takes a minute to chop the celery and then all that’s left is letting it simmer for 20 minutes. Obviously it tastes much better with fresh ingredients

SpaceNoodle,

At that point, a can of Progresso would probably taste better.

rockSlayer,

At $13 for all the ingredients, it produces way more than a can of progresso, and I think it tastes slightly better

SpaceNoodle,

All that canned shit and zero herbs is gonna be just as expensive, just as oversalted, and taste far worse than canned soup.

rockSlayer,

I edited my initial comment to be a legit recipe. There isn’t “no seasoning” as you claim

SpaceNoodle,

There certainly wasn’t any when I replied.

rockSlayer,

I understand that, but I didn’t post an actual recipe at first, i posted an idea of a recipe that required an actual basis of understanding to create a basic recipe. No one would accept an unseasoned recipe, not even myself. Even the most complex chicken noodle soup recipe involves salt, pepper, basil, and oregano. Sorry if I didn’t meet your standards initially.

Omega_Haxors, (edited ) in Dating

The problem with modern dating: you have to get a smell of them to find out if you’re compatible or not. Any metric available online is only going to do way more to fuck up your chances than anything. If you want to find someone based on shared passions it’s more than easy enough to just find them through going out there and being yourself. Easier said than done with alienation being at an all time high…

Liz,

I hate being the kind of person that ties things back to “we live in a society,” but our town planning sure isn’t helping…

lightnsfw,

My problem is all my passions are things I do at home by myself.

CPMSP,

Username checks out.

DarkGamer, (edited ) in Hill to die on

Hi, I see in the modlog that dataprolet@lemmy.dbzer0.com 's post was removed for “violating rule 1,” which is, “be civil and nice.”

Israel is discriminating non-citizens like every other state while e. g. Arabic citizens have full civil rights. As much as you might hate Israel, this is not Apartheit.

What isn’t nice or civil about this post? They shared their opinion, one I consider reasonable, in a way that was inoffensive. Can the mods please elaborate on your mod policy here, are only anti-Israel opinions allowed?

(original comments still visible on kbin, though site is unstable atm)

doidera,

@dataprolet

WTH?! Israel is by all metrics an apartheid state. Whether you accept it or not.

sizeoftheuniverse,

Have you ever been there?

MrScottyTay,

I’ve never been to America but I know the Empire State Building is pretty tall.

doidera,

Until I was 14 y/o

Cornelius_Wangenheim, (edited )

That comment is so idiotic and/or bad faith that I totally get removing it. Better to remove it than clog up the comments with a dozen people trying to explain why they’re wrong and the OP likely sea lioning them all.

FridayChad, in Hill to die on

No one in the Arabic/muslim world really cares about Palestine. Meanwhile Israel is winning this war on terror. We will never forget this 07. October. Now‘s payday. And soon West Bank will be inhabited by jewish people.

NatakuNox,
@NatakuNox@lemmy.world avatar

Palestinians are not All Arabic nor Muslim. (saying Arabic/Muslim shows how little people understand the difference. It’s as dumb as saying Caucasian/Christian. You can be one, both, or none.) Palestinian genetically are a mix of all Mediterranean peoples. And that includes Greek, European, and Arabs. Also, the Palestinian people are more secular than the surrounding Muslim countries… Second, there is no winning a war on terror. Not in the way you are thinking anyways. Every innocent person killed by Israel spawns new terrorists. It’s unwinnable through violence.

Ullallulloo,
@Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com avatar

Twenty years ago there was some diversity in Gaza, but since Hamas took control and the state began condoning murder of minority groups, it has now become literally 99% Arabic and even more Muslim than that.

NatakuNox,
@NatakuNox@lemmy.world avatar

Just false. Yes Hamas has been terrorizing the minority populations but the genetics of the Palestinian people hasn’t become more Arabic and Islam is the only “state sanctioned” religion but the people of Palestine are still largely secular. I’m technically “Christian” but I don’t practice and bow my head when prayer is said at family dinners. It’s simular in Palestinian people just nood along with the religion zealots among them because it just makes life easier.

NatakuNox,
@NatakuNox@lemmy.world avatar

And sorry for the double response but what in the actual fuck is 99% Arabic? For starters, minus un-contacted tribes on islands and forests, there are no 99% ethnic people on earth! If someone is 33% Caucasian, 33% Arabic, and 33% Asian what are they to you? Because your words indicates it matters. Your words implies the 1% rule used by racist to justify atrocities. (1% rule is if someone has 1% of blood outside of “white” means they are the other race.) All I see is humans being killed in Gaza.

TLDR: there are no large population of people that are 99% of anything. Even more so in the fucking Mediterranean.

Revan343,

Israel are terrorists, and invaders in the West Bank deserve to be shot

ynthrepic, (edited )
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The West Bank is already inhabited by illegal Jewish settlements. It’s a big part of why Hamas were provoked into October 7th and very much why the Arab world and wider international community have been so critical of Israel since well before this conflict.

Hamas still need to be stopped, but the current war is a terrible humanitarian tragedy that didn’t need to happen this way. The Israeli government could have vowed to end Hamas without a land war in Gaza, which anyone with half a brain should realize would inevitably lead to massive civilian casualties due to the population density of Gaza and how Hamas operate by martyring their own people in the name of Jihad - as it indeed has.

I don’t believe Israel is an apartheid state - that’s an exaggeration for sure. Plenty of Palestinian representation in Israel. Not enough, but more than we give the situation credit for. Nevertheless, what they’re doing now is horrific, and how the Netanyahu government has been enabling the Jewish settlementation of the West Bank by forcing Palestians off their land is deeply unethical and an insult to human rights and dignity. Imagine being forced out of the only home you and your family have ever known? It’s ghastly.

Bottom line is this could have been done differently with the right political will. I’m no expert, but here are some reasonable ideas: Properly evacuate everyone who wishes to leave and encourage Egypt to do their part to take in refugees, and any other Arab states. Create a safe, well defended evacuation route for refugees to flee, and keep it open, while you tightly secure the blockade around Gaza, and block/flood/raid the tunnels. Then, most importantly, for all Palestinian refugees, promise a “right of return” back to Gaza/West-Bank, or Israel proper to be a citizen of “Israeli-Palestine” which covers the whole area, after the war. What we might call a “1.5” state solution. Two states working together to help each other. Over time, work hard to find or build homes for refugees and all displaced Palestinian diaspora as close to where they came from as possible. Finally for the stability of the future, encourage local Palestians and Jews, whether they live in Israeli or Palestian controlled territories, to get along with each other and support these efforts with strong social programs.

Alas.

Hamas are terrorists yes. But there are plenty of good reasons to despise Netanyahu and his government.

LinkOpensChest_wav,

It’s funny how you claim Israel is “winning this war on terror,” yet everything after that in your comment sounds like something a terrorist would say.

VaultBoyNewVegas, (edited )

Nevermind mind the fact the war on terror was something the US came up with and then badly fucked that up. Dude’s not even a competent troll.

LinkOpensChest_wav,

From the POV of the US, I’d argue that the war on terror was a rousing success. They got the surveillance state they wanted.

AngryCommieKender,

War on Drugs caused drugs to become more available, more potent, and cheaper.

War on Terror has created entirely new terrorist organizations.

Could we have a War on Wealth?

Carlo,

I mean, based on these other examples, it seems like a real monkey’s paw situation. We’d probably just get a few more asshat billionaires out of it.

lugal,

What they meant to say is: “Israel is winning the war on terror on the side of terror”

HenriVolney,

That’s rhe spirit! I guess a good Palestinian is a dead Palestinian, amiright?

Psychodelic,

evil (n.): a manifestation of profound immorality and wickedness, especially in people’s actions.

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I swear, the moment I started subscribing to The Deprogram, and its hosts and some of the guests, YT started throwing Bencil Sharpener, Joe Brogan, and Lex into my feeds. I didn’t dog into him too terribly much, but I just assumed I was seeing his videos pop up for the same reason I saw the other two.

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I experienced the same thing. Thankfully it eventually stopped automatically feeding up his vids.

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It’s Michael Keaton for me

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Can’t beat that Burton Batmobile and Elfman theme

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