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Empricorn, (edited ) in Smh they made video games political

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  • GrammatonCleric,
    @GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    I really tried to like it for years. Bought it on suggestion from a friend. Couldn’t enjoy a game that has a timer constantly dictating what I do and how I do it, had the same problem with Bully. Great game, if I was given free reign of my own actions instead of a time-limited version.

    Also, I’m getting a bit tired of pixel graphics, been looking at them for the better part of 30 years. Time to move on.

    nul9o9,

    If you bought it on PC, you can mod it to change the length of day settings. Made cave exploring much more enjoyable for me.

    GrammatonCleric,
    @GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    Can I mod better graphics in?

    ThunderWhiskers,
    @ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world avatar

    What about it?

    Empricorn,

    It’s great! But seriously, meant to reply to another comment…

    stebo02, in You should see what I can do with a pudding cup.
    @stebo02@sopuli.xyz avatar

    said no one ever lmao I’m lonely

    bernieecclestoned, (edited ) in Smh they made video games political

    Bollocks, any decent game needs a fuck ton of capital to develop

    Please share all the greatest communist games

    Agree that loot boxes suck, they are gambling, not gaming

    Edit. Yes, Tetris. One game made in 1985. Brilliant example Tankards.

    So the score so far for games made:

    Communism - 1

    Capitalism - 831,000

    Empricorn,

    Stardew Valley

    Gradually_Adjusting,
    @Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

    Disco Elysium

    Coasting0942,

    That’s like saying only Disney can make movies. Cause they have capital.

    bernieecclestoned,

    Anyone can make a movie, but you can’t make a big budget movie without a big budget.

    Graylitic,

    Movies need smaller budgets to be good again. Same with games.

    alsaaas, (edited )
    @alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    not rly, you don’t have studio level funding if you don’t optimize (the content) for revenue. same with large/aaa level games

    edit: according to George Lucas, filmmakers in the USSR had more artistic freedom than he had when making Star Wars www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWqvaMEFIdI

    DmMacniel,

    Sure but does it need that money when it’s released or is it simply there because of publisher greed?

    rando895,

    Because capitalism was the first time money existed lol

    bernieecclestoned,

    What? Are you saying the video game industry predates capitalism? Lol

    Froyn,

    Wolfenstein?

    Edit because I thought of a real one. Tetris.

    superduperenigma,

    Cave Story

    crypticthree,

    Tetris enters the chat

    bernieecclestoned,

    Which was only successful because it got licensed to Western software companies.

    crypticthree,

    Yeah it being an incredibly addictive universally approachable game has nothing to do with it being widely played for over 40 years… 🙄

    bernieecclestoned,

    You know that copyright export was illegal under the Soviets though yeah? So it only got released because a UK software sales guy faxed them a contract and they didn’t realise it was binding

    Robert Stein, an international software salesman for the London-based firm Andromeda Software, saw the game’s commercial potential during a visit to Hungary in June 1986.[18]: 302 [25]: 11 min After an indifferent response from the Academy,[25]: 12 min Stein contacted Pajitnov and Brjabrin by fax to obtain the license rights.[25]: 11 min The researchers expressed interest in forming an agreement with Stein via fax, but they were unaware that this fax communication could be considered a legal contract in the Western world;[26] Stein began to approach other companies to produce the game.[17]: 89–90

    Stein approached publishers at the 1987 Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. Gary Carlston, co-founder of Broderbund, retrieved a copy and brought it to California. Despite enthusiasm amongst its employees, Broderbund remained skeptical because of the game’s Soviet origins. Likewise, Mastertronic co-founder Martin Alper declared that “no Soviet product will ever work in the Western world”.[17]: 90

    Stein ultimately signed two agreements: he sold the European rights to the publisher Mirrorsoft,[17]: 90 [27] and the American rights to sister company Spectrum HoloByte.[28] The latter obtained the rights after a visit to Mirrorsoft by Spectrum HoloByte president Phil Adam in which he played Tetris for two hours.[17]: 90 [25]: 15 min At that time, Stein had not yet signed a contract with the Soviet Union.[27] Nevertheless, he sold the rights to the two companies for £3,000 and a royalty of 7.5 to 15% on sales

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris

    Would be kind of hard to play a game that didn’t get published by the evil capitalist lol

    Even_Adder,

    No it wouldn’t. Tetris was going to get played by millions whether someone licensed it or not. That’s why there was such a mad scramble to land a deal.

    bernieecclestoned,

    Please explain copyright export licensing under Soviet Union rules

    Even_Adder,

    You don’t need licensing to copy that floppy. That’s what your mind can’t grasp.

    bernieecclestoned,

    The Soviet Union owned all copyright, there was no licensing let alone individual copyright.

    Where are you getting floppies from? Where are you getting your computer from?

    Even_Adder,

    Computers and floppies existed outside of the USSR, as did Tetris.

    bernieecclestoned,

    The floppy, invented by IBM, one of the biggest capitalist companies ever??

    Even_Adder,

    I think you have me confused for someone else.

    bernieecclestoned,

    Computers and floppies existed outside of the USSR, as did Tetris.

    TimeSquirrel, (edited )
    @TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar

    Would be kind of hard to play a game that didn’t get published by the evil capitalist lol

    I've played about a dozen versions of Tetris over the last 30 years, a lot of which were written by just one dude and released to the world without the expectation of compensation. There are literally hundreds of ports/clones that run on everything from a Nokia phone to a Unix/Linux text mode interface.

    Were it not for western publishers, I'm pretty sure it would have spread anyway just due to its addictive nature and it being an excellent time sink. Just like chess and checkers didn't need a capitalist to spread around the globe.

    I'm literally using an entire operating system right now that not one capitalist controls. It runs most of the internet's infrastructure. Sure, the capitalists can use it and even contribute, but they don't get to dictate how you run your system.

    bernieecclestoned,

    How about your hardware? And the fibre that enables us to communicate? And the electricity?

    RoosterBoy,
    1. You moved the goalposts
    2. How did the soviets make Tetris if technology only exists under capitalism?
    TimeSquirrel, (edited )
    @TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar

    Oh, funny you mention that, because in my country, my government paid to have fiber laid but the useless bloodsucking capitalist ISPs didn't do absolutely jack shit with the money and pocketed it. That's why were having to do stupid shit like Starlink now to connect the people out in the sticks.

    My electricity is also provided by a co-op.

    AngryCommieKender,

    Psst. Almost 40 years. Tetris was released in 1985 not 1983

    This comment brought to you by an old fuck that doesn’t need to be artificially aged to be even older

    MxM111,
    @MxM111@kbin.social avatar

    That’s only because in the West there was no way for the game to reach customers at the time. The game was popular in the “Soviet Block” just fine, because distribution model was different.

    Today, it would spread through internet like fire.

    bernieecclestoned, (edited )

    Sure, I’m always playing Vietnamese and Cuban games. They’re grrrreat!

    And Tetris was only successful because of licencing, let’s not create an alternative history here

    DrJenkem,
    @DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube avatar

    No, games require labor to develop.

    bernieecclestoned,

    The capital pays for the labour, unless you have people who can work for free.

    DrJenkem,
    @DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube avatar

    Within the confines of capitalism I would probably agree. But under socialism, production happens independently of capital accumulation.

    bernieecclestoned,

    Yeah right. Capital accumulation just comes via bribes instead. Corruption was rife in communist countries

    xor,

    corruption is rife in countries

    FTFY

    bernieecclestoned,

    But moreso where there’s no opportunity to make money

    xor,

    That’s a pretty drastic statement to make without evidence

    bernieecclestoned,

    www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2022

    Clearly demonstrates that market socialist and hardcore capitalist countries like Denmark, Switzerland and Singapore are the least corrupt.

    DrJenkem,
    @DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube avatar

    While certainly capitalist, Denmark and Sweden use the nordic model which tends to lean pretty social-democrat/welfare-state.

    Not to mention, much of bribery under capitalist states is legalized and codified. For example, I’m guessing their study didn’t consider Super-PACs as a form of corruption or bribery. Even though that’s clearly what they are.

    xor,

    Okay but the bottom 5 are all capitalist countries.

    Even if that wasn’t the case, just linking a corruption index doesn’t prove your original statement:

    corruption is more common where there’s no opportunity to make money

    Edit: since you’ve edited and added words, let me add:

    I would even go as far as to say that your evidence in fact suggests rather the opposite trend: countries where wealth is more equitably distributed have lower rates of corruption

    bernieecclestoned,
    xor,

    Are you aware that this is an article about how the poorly managed transition to capitalism allowed highly concentrated wealth and power, and thus corruption?

    postcommunist Europe’s economic transition and institutional vacuum provided ideal opportunities for state capture. The most attractive jobs sought by corrupt officials were associated with the privatization process, institutions that regulated business and the customs bureau

    decisivelyhoodnoises,

    Yeah the “postcommunist” is a very difficult word and the guy couldn’t understand the meaning. He thought that it might have something to do with the post office

    DrJenkem,
    @DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube avatar

    Lol, there’s plenty of opportunity to make money under socialism. You just have to do the labor. Under capitalism, however, there exists opportunity to derive money from other people’s surplus labor value, for example, I can pay a worker $4 to make a thing that requires $1 in supplies and sell that for $10. That difference of $5 is stolen surplus value from the laborer. Socialists seek to abolish this parasitic relationship.

    DrJenkem,
    @DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube avatar

    Even if we suppose that’s true, you’re still failing to illustrate how capital is necessary for production under socialism.

    bernieecclestoned,

    Maybe we should start with what you mean by capital

    DrJenkem,
    @DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube avatar

    Given the context of the meme being a picture of Karl Marx, I was using the Marxist definition of capital. Marxists.org provides a pretty digestible definition: www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/c/a.htm

    bernieecclestoned,

    Ok good. So capital is required for capex and opex.

    As you start with 0 sales you need to get capital from investors to fund you until sales >1

    DrJenkem,
    @DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube avatar

    Yes, that is how it works under capitalism.

    Under socialism however, the state funds labor based on needs and/or desires for the output of that labor (the commodity). In this case, the money isn’t used for the goal of making more money, therefore, this isn’t capital at all. And yet, the labor happens and the commodity created. Therefore, the production is independent of the capital.

    Wakmrow,

    Capital doesn’t cease to exist under communism, guy. It just stops being controlled by one person.

    bernieecclestoned,

    Yes, it gets mismanaged by central government

    👏…👏…👏

    Graylitic,

    Why does labeling management “government” suddenly make the tools shittier? Is there a mystical quality to Capitalist managers of Capital?

    bernieecclestoned,

    Using everything that happened in the 20th century as evidence, no mystery. There’s good governance and bad management. Just one is more effective overall.

    Graylitic,

    How? Mind elaborating, or are you deadass just saying it’s purely vibes? Explain.

    culprit,
    @culprit@lemmy.ml avatar

    Capital is dead labor, which, vampire-like, lives only by sucking living labor, and lives the more, the more labor it sucks

    Valmond,

    You can get that money back by making a good game and charge for it, no need for dark pattern and lootboxes.

    AngryCommieKender,

    Minecraft

    Terraria

    Astrox Imperium (this is a single player version of EvE Online, so definitely not for everyone)

    Dyson Sphere Program

    Factorio

    UFO:AI (admittedly this is a FOSS XCOM game that started as a clone of XCOM Apocalypse, and morphed into something bigger)

    All developed by either a single person, or tiny teams with basically no start up capital. I’m sure I can find more, since the FOSS list of games is enormous.

    Labor develops society. Capital enshittifies society.

    Graylitic,

    Add Dead Cells, from Motion Twin, an Anarcho-Syndicalist worker co-op.

    decisivelyhoodnoises,

    If you’re not trolling you’re stupid af

    alsaaas,
    @alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    A few (good and one time buy) games off the top of my head (is that how you use the expression/idiom?):

    Obviously commie games:

    • Disco Elysium
    • Cruelty Squad

    Might or might not be commie, but definitely progressive:

    • Bioshock series

    honourable mentions:

    • Vitoria 3 (who would have thought that a democratically controlled and publicly owned economy would be meta? does have a nasty dlc policy tho)
    • Partisans 1941 (you play the story of soviet partisans on the eastern front, what more is there to say?)
    • everything from the studio “Kremlingames” (they make political sims about eastern block countries, without glorifying them)
    • Workers & Resources: Soviet Republic (eastern block “City: Skylines”)
    • VA-11 Hall-A (good vn in a cyberpunk dystopia, does not rly have a political theme tho iirc)
    optissima,

    Missing Tetris!

    Zerush, in The Netherlands
    @Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

    Yes, the country where you see on Monday who is going to visit you on Tuesday and where the highest hills are the dikes

    Dirk,
    @Dirk@lemmy.ml avatar

    I don’t see who any of this is a bad thing.

    Zerush,
    @Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

    It isn’t, the only bad thing of the Netherland are the drivers with caravans on the motorways and roads in the rest of the EU, ah, well, maybe their beer 🤢

    ILikeBasil,

    Our pilsners are so so but we have some seriously good craft beer Brewers now!

    Zerush,
    @Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

    Well, maybe, anyway the French beer is way worse. Best beers you find in Czechoslovakia, Germany and also in Spain

    Littleborat,

    Kronenbourg is fine don’t know whats your problem.

    mutter9355,

    This feels like Hertog Jan slander.

    ILikeBasil,

    Hahaha no not at all, I do love me a HJ’tje when I’m in a beery mood, though usually I just get Klok instead 😂

    HorriblePerson,
    @HorriblePerson@feddit.nl avatar

    Truly a man of culture.

    Mananasi,

    Does our beer have a bad reputation?

    Veraxus,
    @Veraxus@kbin.social avatar

    Only insofar as Heineken is associated with Netherlands.

    joostjakob,

    It’s a laughing stock here in Belgium

    Mananasi,

    There’s no competing with Belgian beer, but I genuinely enjoy a Grolsch or Hertog Jan. There’s also quite a few great local breweries.

    Galli, in The Netherlands

    I mean you could look at the architecture but all you really needed is a level

    adrianmalacoda, in I'm scared guys..
    GodIsNull, in This is literally the internet nowadays without an adblock

    Today? It always has been like that. I remember the nineties popup ad banner days. Not much has changed.

    gohixo9650,

    in the 90s there was no technology to have an overlay of an ad following you while you scroll and when you close it a new one appears more aggressively. Or to let you start reading an article and then suddenly appear in your face not allowing you to continue. Yes, there was the worse situation that they would open a whole new window, but browsers started restricting it quite early

    PersnickityPenguin,

    Well at least in the early 2000s we certainly had the cascading cavalcade of pop-up windows that you couldn’t get rid of, I do remember that. Maybe not in the '90s though because it probably would have caused your computer to meltdown. Heh

    InvaderDJ,

    I think it has gotten worse in that now we have higher bandwidth, faster computers, and more advanced web standards so ads can be an even higher level annoying. If we had the same type of ads back in the 90s that we have today, they would never load and if they tried to they would bring your computer to its knees.

    chakan2,
    @chakan2@lemmy.world avatar

    Which is fucking hilariously sad to me…Google became Google because it got rid of all those things. It was just a search box and it did search well.

    Now that it has a monopoly and no competition, it’s bringing back all the ads. Fuck your results, here’s a page of sponsored links.

    In a couple of decades Firefox will shit the same bed and the cycle of capitalism will continue.

    Fleur__, in I'm scared guys..
    @Fleur__@lemmy.world avatar

    Dbz was a documentary this whole time

    ikilledtheradiostar, in The Netherlands
    TankieTanuki,
    Donut,

    Dutchie here to explain why that’s not ironic:

    If its a dotted line cars are allowed to use it, but only if it doesn’t impede on cyclists. So while they didn’t have to be there, it’s not unlawful as there’s no cyclists.

    If it was a single line, it’s a different story.

    IWantToFuckSpez,

    It’s a shared road. Not separated lanes. Hence the dotted lines.

    Honytawk,

    That isn’t a bike lane, it is a bike suggestion strip (translated literally).

    Hawk,

    It’s a bike strip, since there is a bike icon.

    A bike suggestion strip has no bike icon and has no legal status, it’s merely a suggestion.

    They are different things.

    Marin_Rider, in Work is fulfilling and fun 🙃

    It would be nice to have that kind of job security

    peskywarrior,

    Well it’s either that or you design something like a “Jump To Conclusions” mat

    Ravi, in You should see what I can do with a pudding cup.

    “Kiss”

    Feirdro,

    A special kiss

    kameecoding,

    Australian kiss, “Down Under”

    tigeruppercut,

    yeah this is the PG version of “where did you learn to insert your tongue deep inside me like that?”

    bingbong,

    Ask that pudding cup

    👁️👃👁️
    👅

    velox_vulnus, in You should see what I can do with a pudding cup.

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  • Kusimulkku,

    I weep for you

    Track_Shovel,
    @Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net avatar

    You’ve never licked the beaters?

    Did your parents keep you in oubliette?

    VikingHippie,

    Or an Iron Maiden?

    I hope you’re not a prisoner but a free (wo)man and your blood is your own now!

    velox_vulnus,

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  • Micromot,

    Whatever you use for stirring, didn’t you lick that after the batter is done?

    HonoraryMancunian,

    Oh man, wait till you see what I do to spoons

    shath, in The Netherlands
    @shath@hexbear.net avatar

    i don’t want SEX i want USABLE BIKE LANES that have enough SPACE to ride my bike SAFELY alongside other TRANSPORT MODES

    Kusimulkku,

    I want sex. That other stuff is cool too

    VikingHippie,

    Por qué no los dos? 🤷

    Octopus1348, in The Netherlands

    Yeah, because there will be a nether portal and lava everywhere.

    VikingHippie,

    That’s the Netherworld. Common mistake.

    thehatfox,
    @thehatfox@lemmy.world avatar

    Don’t mistake the Netherlands for the Nether Regions either.

    VikingHippie, (edited )

    I did that once, wasn’t so bad. The people at the embassy just politely referred me to the Red Light District 🤷

    IWantToFuckSpez,

    Nether World is in Orlando. Europe has only Nether Land

    Shieldtoad, in The Netherlands

    I know that place. The borders between the Ellestraat (Hulst, NL) and the Hellestraat (Stekene, BE).

    The right side of the street on the Belgian part is actually Dutch for a few 100 meters. If you look around on street view the part with a bicycle lane is Belgian, the part without it is Dutch.

    gentooer,

    Ah, Stekene. Where are the days I just went to Crammerock to smoke weed on the camping. I saw Gorki there the year Luc De Vos died.

    stebo02,
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    I knew that was a Belgian road, you can tell by all the cracks.

    Rhllor,

    Caption should have been that you will always know when a Belgian road begins

    kennismigrant,

    the part without

    The red lanes are the bicycle lanes.

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