I really liked Jordan for a while. I even bought his book (12 Rules of Life).
But he seemed to go a bit mental at some point and I lost interest.
Then I read a massive blog post by one of his former colleagues that said he’d always wanted to establish a church and be a preacher. It all kinda fell into place and I realised he’d always been mental.
Sadly it’s times like this when you need to look back and ask yourself how such a blatant charlatan can get one over on you, because they never ‘get bad’ but rather were always bad and you just didn’t see it. Sargon taught me to stay the fuck away from Vaush, that cryptofascist. Seeing how easily Sargon, a blatant nazi propagandist was able to get 1 video out of me made sure that people like him wouldn’t even get that.
Same. I got his book as an ebook and read it. It offers some decent if simple advice and draws some really weird and false conclusions in other places. But overall it isn’t a bad book and I never felt like he argued on bad faith. But eventually I decided I don’t agree with his views overall.
Later he went a bit weird eating only meat and making weird arguments so idk. But before that I totally understood how he could suck people into the right wing bubble.
That's the thing. From what I've gathered, a lot of what he says is perfectly sensible, often age old philosophical advice. But that's how they get you. It's like Russia Today. They mix the lies with plenty of truth. If they only told lies, they would be far less convincing.
Of course, another thing Peterson does, is use expensive words to make himself sound smarter than he actually is. If you have a related degree or spend a little time on wikipedia, you'll notice he's often talking nonsense. But to the layman, Jordan sounds like he's a great intellectual. I don't think he's deliberately trying to scam his followers, I think he earnestly wants to help them. I'm willing to believe he means well. It's just that he's like a respected doctor who thinks he knows better than his lawyer and ends up getting himself convicted. He may be an expert in his field of expertise, but he clearly isn't outside that field. He often sounds like an overeducated idiot. There are plenty of those in academia, unfortunately.
If anything, I find it a damning indictment of society (and the media), that a run of the mill motivational speaker can become so popular.
In my experience and observation, he works best on those who don’t have their own sense of identity because they just picked up whatever mantle was expected of them from society and moved on without a second thought. These people ultimately realize that they and their lives are meaningless and work to fill that void. Someone like Peterson can attempt to fill that empty spot, though ultimately it’ll fail.
It’s because trigonometry is used to teach people geometry and nothing in real life application. You want basic trigonometry in real life we should use physics as a basis for why trigonometry is useful in real life. You can’t expect theory to be used in practicality when nobody has any experience.
Ah yes, because plumbers, electricians, and brick layers never have to deal with geometry. That being said, none of my geometry education was taught with a practical motivation. But that being said, I was in the advanced track classes, so none of us were becoming professional carpenters. I’m actually probably one of the most “hands-on” people from that class, both in my job and in my life. I build scientific instruments and enjoy fixing things around the house.
I don’t understand, out of all of the things that we teach students in schools, out of all of the things that people don’t demand justification for learning, why Maths gets all of the flak. It’s the foundation on which the universe exists. If people don’t understand that they’re not just learning trigonometry “just cuz” then they probably don’t have much of a career in STEM planned for themselves. Which is fine, but western society’s blindspot for STEM is 100% attributed to the intentional undermining and dumbing-down of the education system.
We regularly don’t give students justification for why they learn grammar, biology, chemistry, physics, visual art, and music. But as soon as you show someone a standard polynomial, they lose their fucking minds.
It’s the exposure that undermines it. Their isn’t enough exposure to real life application and examples. How many people never realise that velocity is a derivative of position over time or acceleration is a derivative of velocity over time. Or that the speed of light is a horizontal asymptote for matter.
I dunno, I see people complain about “why do we have to read books that are hundreds of years old?” too pretty frequently. Some people are just hostile to education. Honestly, cost aside, I’m a little disappointed in the number of people who complain about college as if the only thing you get out of college is a piece of paper.
It’s a valid complaint. Why is Shakespeare more legitimate than, say, Stephen King for high school classes? Reading is reading, and asking students to read boring books because “they are classics” is the best way to discourage them.
In high school, I had to read Phèdre, a story told in verses about some incestuous rednecks from Greek mythology or whatever, written in the 1600’s. It was painful.
For that matter, why do we read Shakespeare? They’re plays. Watch them as plays or movies. If kids first exposure to Star Wars was by reading the script, they’d hate that, too, and they should.
I had to read Shakespeare, then read another book about how witty and clever it was to the people of the time, then write a report about how witty and clever it was, once I understood the historical context. My conclusion that having to explain jokes is the death of humor got me a C-.
There are a lot more authors who took inspiration from shakespeare than Steven King. Shakespeare is just objectively more influential, tropes he invented are used all the time in many places and there is value to understanding where the source comes from.
I think there’s something to be said about shared cultural experiences, and so reading some older books is probably a good thing.
To clarify what I mean though: that means that we should be reading stuff that was written/popular when our grandparents were our age. Going back 200+ years should be saved for a history class cause that’s the real value in reading that material. In my opinion, Great Gatsby should be about the oldest book kids need to be reading for a literature class these days, and even that’s pushing it.
I feel like similar issues are also present in humanities , but they are less visible .
I enjoy doing recreational linguistics , writhing poems , stories and argumentative texts , yet I always sucked at humanities at school . I learned a lot of what school tried to teach me on my own , often after failing to fully grasp it at school . On the flip side , a lot of time was spent learning about things I still do not know the use of , that I , with some difficulty , crammed for tests and forgotten .
Even with maths which I am quite good at , I often entered new topics with some knowledge of them from doing maths recreationally , which was not that great for me , both as I did not have enough resources to find the gaps in my knowledge and as I spent time not building on the knowledge I already had .
I think this is an issue of how little we focus on individuals in our schools , though this is not something I blame teachers for , to be clear , they have no option to do so , especially as being a teacher not rewarded enough , ignoring both the extra workload outside of school and with generally shitty pay .
I often find that the best way for me to learn is via exploration , trying to do something and researching ways how to do things needed to reach the goal . This is unfortunately something school doesn’t have space for and I suspect it is one of the factors behind this misunderstanding .
The reason I feel like maths gets more heat for not having a use is because its harder to convey meaning of abstract equations , as someone else in this thread put better then I can , many students , I feel like , miss a deeper understanding , being left with only what is needed to pass the test , forgetting even that soon after …
For me, my “education” with math was "when you see this: 5/73¥π7^t then you use 5-8(25&6)_9gh8/6 not 5&6(9!4_89) ok memorize it for the test.
Oh you want to know why or what it does or what it even is? No that’s college work. You’re in highschool, memorize it because reasons.
Yeah… That’s not how my brain works no matter how badly I wish I did. I need to UNDERSTAND not memorize! I can’t memorize seemingly arbitrary bullshit that has no explained meaning. My brain instantly tosses it as irrelevant information.
I find that the best way for me to learn is to learn the use of something first , then find that something . Exploring a problem and finding the solution is way more engaging than repeating a basic task over and over again . And unfortunately schools , at least in western countries don’t have space for those things . Its all cramming cramming cramming , which sucks , both for the students who are weaker in a subject and those who are better at it .
Students often reach for tools to bypass problems , not realising how useful that tool would be at understanding the problem . Learning becomes a chore , not something that one does for self improvement .
In the US this is enforced even more by imperial units , which put one more roadblock when students try to use what they learned in a way which has any connection to the real world .
It hurts , both being a student which has large voids in knowledge that is expected , being a student which is ahead of material by a large margin and seeing other students struggle with tasks , to me , simple . It hurts knowing how complex of a problem this is , especially as one notes its connections to the wider world , both how failures of the education system hurt our society and how society is not able to help our schools .
My last trip to the DMV was surprisingly smooth. They finally implemented appointments, and, unlikely private doctors, they didn't make me wait in the lobby for 30minutes to 1 hour and then in the examination room for another 15-30 minutes.
seeing the incumbent party in my home country watering down environmental protection rules to benefit(and later benefit from) crony capitalist friends even as they persecute activists, I think it’s over.
We are 100% going to suffer, but I think we can still survive as a species if we act quickly.
If worst case scenario comes to fruition it would be sweet to at least not let those bastards live to 100 and die peacefully in their sleep, on their cozy air conditioned beds.
This is too negative. We are making some progress (mostly despite governments). Kurzgesagt has a great video on this that is both based on fact and somewhat hopeful: youtu.be/LxgMdjyw8uw?si=K4oUpRAHbGro18We
The problem is you can’t get people to organize and work together if everyone is worried about where to get their next meal. Hell, people can barely even do that now; how much more when that time comes.
There’s someone at my work that owns a huge truck and they park at a turning corner inside the garage every single day. The garage is already cramped as it is, and then you’ve got a huge truck blocking off visibility when you turn the corner.
This shit happens in the parking garage I use too and it amazes me. I drive a small sedan and I refuse to park in those spots bc I’m terrified some idiot will sideswipe me (I have actually seen this happen to other vehicles). I can only imagine it’s some sort of flex bc people have to avoid their oversized tiny-penismobile.
We need to find a new way to hate on stupid vehicles without body shaming.
The guys with small dicks never did anything wrong. I’m sure some of those truck drivers have massive cannons the diameter of a coke can, but that doesn’t excuse their stupid wasteful vanity machines.
Guys with pointlessly big trucks have sexual hangups relating to their parental figures. Boom.
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“This baby can fit so many of my father’s hugs in it, but it won’t because he left my mother and I, and although I had to live with him and my stepmom from ages 13 to 18 due to my behavioral issues, I can’t bare the thought that I’m anything like him and that my mother began drinking to numb the pain of having to raise me alone, so I find solace in lashing out against women that treat me well, and will stop at nothing until I can repeat the generational cycle by having a baby with a woman that looks and acts like my mother so I too can abandon my child, because I hate myself.”
Oh that’s right, the spoken administrative context. Same in my dd-mm-yyyy county actually. Still, I find it less intuitive than the logical yyyy-mm-dd when understanding written text.
We do that in Sweden as well. Our social security numbers are that plus 4 unique numbers. The beers I send out to stores have yyyy-mm-dd printed at the bottom.
Hasn’t been a problem so far. I’m guessing maybe they will add numbers or use letters if it comes up. They recentled started doing that on license plates.
If you vote republican, you’re not a good person, and never have been since the party flip-flop. They’ve always been the party trying to suppress the rights of anyone who isn’t a rich white male.
And now they’re literally traitors trying to overthrow our government.
No I realise it could be taken that way. If you read further up their comment it says if you vote for someone it’s the same as overthrowing the government. I wrote I would never in response to the voting part, I didn’t need to go any further but I understand how it may have been taken that way
My dude, everything is politics. Especially things like “I want a free internet” or “I don’t want to be drowning in ads” which is a huge part of the appeal of Lemmy are both DEEPLY political stances.
I see you can’t understand the difference between zealotry and normal discussion.
“I don’t want ro drowning in ads” doesn’t have to mean “but trump is Hitler evil Jews did this blah blah everyone who isn’t of my opinion is a murderer”
Actually, I’m going to add something to my last reply.
“not wanting to be drowning in ads” is in no way shape or form a political decision.
If you mean “because adverts are capitalism” then you’re part of the deeply naive problem.
It’s perfectly plausible - because it literally has happened - for people to construct a platform under our system (which is also hybrid anywat) that allows for social media to exist without adverts.
You’re literally the kind of person when I mean when I talk about trying too shoe-horn politics into things when it doesn’t belong.
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