Yes it is immoral, they should be rehabilitated instead
But society also needs to fix its dystopia because some crimes where committed out of necessity for example stealing food when you’d otherwise die and their was no way of getting free food
Crimes of necessity don’t need to he rehabilitated because people are forced to commit them due to their current living position
But society isn’t profiting from the labor. It is private businesses, right? There is such a thing in the US as communal or public service as sentence for a crime I am sure but from what I gathered prison labor is not that.
I’d be morally okay if a certain amount of hours of public service would be part of a sentence for crimes which left a debt to society. Such as tax fraud or destruction of public property etc.
Fully agreed. Stuff like, you have to work for the government park corp and clean up parks as your job for the next year is a form of sentencing I could agree with. I don’t agree with random company 400 getting to use you as a slave being your sentence.
one thing i cant stand are the people that bag up their dog shit, and then leave it on a trail. immediate mood ruiner when im trying to enjoy the wonders of our planet… and i see a plastic bag of dog shit. like, you’re doing more harm than good and youre probably aware of that very fact. these people are the human equivalent of dog shit.
It would be more environmentally friendly to just leave the dog shit alone instead of putting it in a bag first if you’re just gonna leave it on the ground still.
Fr poop is natural and it does a pretty good job at promoting plaint growth. Hell it’s not like your going to come across poop from racoons or deer. Hell I’m Shure if you were to go off trail it’s likely you might come across a half eaten deer. Poop is just as natural as death.
Poop is quite good at spreading disease though, which is also natural. A sustainable animal population leaving poop is different than a hiking trail that adds quite a bit to the load of poop the environment has to handle.
I once did this because i knew i was going to walk past that spot again and didnt want to carry it the whole time. no one was on that trail that day. and i brought it back out one the return a few hours later. (there were no trash cans out there.) Perhaps something similar was going on with you? Or am I a bad guy?
I wonder how many people have the same idea as you but then just forget when they walk back. On top of this, they never remember that they forgot so they have a guilty free conscious and do again.
If you’re confident you always pick it back up 100% of the time then great! But I wouldn’t do it because I’m dumb and would forget like 10% of the time.
Shit Trees. Dunno if it’s common in the rest of the world but a lot of Brit dog owners tie them to tree and buch branches. Then in winter you have Shit Trees & Turd Bushes.
They’re are a few problems saying that prison labor is a continuation of slavery in the US.
The largest demographic in prison is white men.
Prisons don’t make money. Corpos that run the prisons, or the phones, or use prisoners as cheap labor do profit, but that money mostly comes from the State, the prisoners themselves, and the prisoner’s families.
Prisoners have legal rights.
Nobody is born incarcerated.
I’m not trying to defend that clause in the 13^th^. But equivocating all forms of slavery and forced labor is a common white supremacist tactic to minimize the particular evils of racialized chattel slavery in the US.
All races, all people, all nations, have had slavery and been slaves at some point themselves
David Barton (A Christian nationalist and fake historian)
Funny that you’d bring up white supremacist tactics right after throwing this one out there. Like, how can you bring up statistics to defend the justice system and just ignore 13% of the general population having a 38% share of the prison population?
That’s just untrue. Private for-profit prisons were a multi-billion-dollar industry for too long.
Also, they made enough money to bribe judges to sentence more people to longer terms so they could make more money.
Private prisons promised to be ‘more efficient’ and cost less per prisoner than public prisons, but typically their pattern of operations was to cut costs as much as possible and still charge the taxpayer more per prisoner than public prisons- and it got so out of hand that at one point it cost the taxpayer more per year to incarcerate a criminal than it would have to send him to Harvard for that year. Also under private prison administration, no effort was made at all to rehabilitate prisoners- their business was really based on recidivism, it was very much in their interest for prisoners to re-offend and end up back in prison.
Convict leasing on top of that is plain slavery, and the prospect of money to be made leasing convicts slaves for labor has corrupted America’s justice system, particularly in confederate states, ever since the 13th Amendment was penned.
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