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cmbabul, in It can't be stopped

This will be 7 one day

Hotzilla, (edited )

I don’t think so, main reason is XP was still heavily backwards compatible to 95, 98, even DOS based software. Many control software for industry only support to XP, because jump to windows 7 was too heavy. If anything supports windows 7, it is really easy to port to windows 10. Main reason is the driver support, because win 7 having new driver architecture.

Windows 10 will be the next “forever stuck” OS, because end of Internet Explorer on it means that there are tens of thousands of industrial software that require IE, and cannot ever be ported to win 11.

AlexWIWA,

Yup, same reason modern games all get ports but some old ones never will. Everything has the same architecture now so it’s easy to port an Xbone game to W10 and the new Xboxes.

CodyCannoli, in It can't be stopped

A lot of public infrastructure in the US (powerplants, waste management, etc.) runs off XP or older.

averagedrunk,

Not as prevalent these days, but a lot of EMR/EHR was built on XP. Some of those companies went out of business and the clinics using the software never upgraded because they couldn’t get the data out into another system.

LazaroFilm, in It can't be stopped
@LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

After XP, Windows focused on adding crap to their aid that use unnecessary resources for crap things. I remember the Aqua look on Vista that sucked the life out of computers. Let’s not talk about Windows Me. Then 8 was a weird interface that no one liked and also not compatible with older machines. So XP is the most stable Windows os that can run on older devices.

scottywh,

ME came before XP

TopShelfVanilla,

XP was a pretty good running OS with plenty of software and games. I held out till 10 was out for a bit and there were programs I wanted to run that required it.

Boozilla,
@Boozilla@lemmy.world avatar

XP still had the designed-by-engineers vibe. Since then, Microsoft got completely taken over by dipshits with marketing MBAs.

They now code Windows to impress executives and shareholders with how much they can harvest data and manipulate customers into using their stupid Store and so on. They stopped caring about the experiences of power users, or even casual users.

They don’t want the OS to work for us. They want us to work for them.

KingBoo,

Very well said.

Do you have any suggestions for people wanting to go back to an XP feeling?

A particular distro of Linux, etc.?

circuitfarmer,
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Zorin OS is a linux distro designed partly to feel like Windows

KillerTofu,

Mint is the usual recommendation for transitioning from windows to Linux.

Dhar,

I’ll second this. Start with Mint or Pop!_OS

JDPoZ,
@JDPoZ@lemmy.world avatar

I know you said Linux, but for anyone else here wanting to still use what at its core is still Windows, but with tons of garbage and bloat removed… as long as you have a valid serial / key… I would recommend AtlasOS.

I did a clean install of it on my own old ancient desktop i7-2600K recently, and it actually still runs really well.

Don’t take my word for it though. Here’s a video talking about it. Also here’s the YouTube link if you prefer.

brbposting,

Britec09 from the video there is quite skeptical - sounds like he prefers ShutUp10. With Atlas, he worries about large security impacts for small FPS gains.

Good watch, thank you!

gaterush, (edited )

I second the recommendation of giving Linux Mint a shot. I didn’t use XP extensively but Mint is low hassle and gets out of your way.

I’m not sure it has quite the same feel, but closest I can think of that is also approachable coming from Windows. Obviously a lot of other distros also satisfy the “built by engineers” vibe.

OscarRobin,

Linux Mint is definitely the closest interface- and vibes-wise to XP imo, of the big distros worth considering

Boozilla,
@Boozilla@lemmy.world avatar

I have a lot of respect for Linux and use it here and there, but I am by no means an expert on it. The best thing I’ve done with it so far is running a Pi Hole at home.

Unfortunately, my job involves using MS Windows. A lot. After I retire…soonish…I hope to take some time and learn Linux better.

For my day-to-day Windows misery, I find that ShutUp10 does a great job of toggling off the bullshit you don’t want running. And it’s easy to toggle things back on if you ever need to. It’s a free program you can download and run. I send them a little money every year out of gratitude, but donations are completely optional.

Some FUD mongers will tell you that ShutUp10 ‘breaks’ Windows. That’s simply not true. It puts all the Windows settings you can change yourself in one easy-to-find place. Things that are normally scattered all over the UX and the registry.

While you could mess some things up using it if you’re not careful, it’s very good about color coding and letting you know which toggles are best to turn off, which ones are a little questionable, and which ones you should leave turned on (unless you know what you’re doing and can take the risk). I have used it for years now, on multiple PCs, with zero problems. It doesn’t make Windows 10/11 GOOD but it makes them less horrible.

www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

agent_flounder,
@agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

Though enshittification was coined, I think, with online services in mind, this is a perfect example of the process as it applies to an OS.

Boozilla,
@Boozilla@lemmy.world avatar

Completely agree. For some reason that word tends to trigger a few gatekeepers on here. But I think it fits.

Emerald, (edited )

The enshittification of windows is because of its online services. Copilot AI, “telemetry”, ads, etc.

umbrella,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

To be fair, vista and 7 had a lot of QOL improvements too.

I dont see the point of 10+ though, they pretty much just added fluff.

LazaroFilm,
@LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

They had QOL but I remember my machines running significantly slower. And that was not worth the extra QOL.

MeatsOfRage,

Don’t forget about Windows 7. That boy ripped. Too bad they didn’t take the good lessons from it.

moshtradamus666, in It can't be stopped

XP was great but for me 7 was the sweet spot.

deus,

That Frutiger Aero aesthetic they had going on there felt so futuristic.

AlexWIWA,

It still looks good on modern resolutions tbh.

AngryishHumanoid,

I still use 7 in most of my home VM setups.

Kostyeah,

I think a lot of it has to do with age. I’m probably younger than the average Lemmy user, and for me Windows 10 is the sweet spot. The older versions just feel outdated. I think it depends on the first version we seriously used and learned on.

YeeterPan,

I mean… no shit, dude.

sagrotan, in 🇬🇧 Oh you simply MUST visit us at Yellowcurryshire next summer.
@sagrotan@lemmy.world avatar

Ratatouilleshire? Sounds like a french ugly horse.

Stamets, in It can't be stopped
@Stamets@lemmy.world avatar

I liked Vista.

There. I said it.

UntouchedWagons,
@UntouchedWagons@lemmy.ca avatar

Same. I had no issues with Vista at all.

tiramichu, (edited )

Vista was fine, apart from the performance. I had a fairly beefy machine for the time so I hardly noticed, but on lower spec machines it was an absolute dog.

Kinda felt like an unoptimised prerelease version of Windows 7

Telodzrum,

Vista Service Pack 2 was a solid OS, XP actually needed a few service packs to get fully to the place people remember it being great.

devfuuu,

Well I also liked Millennium a lot.

The_Picard_Maneuver,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

Just when you think you know a guy…

marine_mustang, in It can't be stopped

When I was working security for a hospital they wanted to send imagery from an MRI (or maybe CAT, I forget) upstairs to be interpreted without allowing any network traffic to be able to reach the host machine because it was running XP. I asked why, and they told me that in order to replace it the vendor was requiring a $7 million replacement of the whole MRI.

AlexWIWA,

Same shit is starting to happen with cars. No way to get the new headunits without replacing the whole car. I know Porsche offers electronic upgrade kits, but I can’t think of any others that do.

The_Picard_Maneuver,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

I’ve worked in hospitals that still run DOS based programs for certain things. It’s madness.

SuperSpruce, in Icon design

Often, I associate a logo change with a change in what the brand wants. The older Reddit logo is associated with a time Reddit was good, and the new one is associated with Spez’s greed. Same with the Android logo, and many others.

AFaithfulNihilist, in Just show me to the MDS: 683.432
@AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world avatar

haui_lemmy,

Exactly my thought.

Abird1620, in Let me load it

I downloaded your speech to the wrong folder…

ManosTheHandsOfFate, in Just the best thing to do
@ManosTheHandsOfFate@lemmy.world avatar

About 25 years ago I was visiting Alexandria Egypt. I had just eaten some packaged ice cream and was standing on an unpaved side street near a train station holding a sticky wrapper. Having already been in the country a few weeks I knew that I had no chance of finding a trash can. As I stared at the little mounds of trash around the street while plastic grocery bags swirled around my legs in the hot Mediterranean sun I had a realization - this was my opportunity to rebel against all my upbringing, the very core of my being. I flung the wrapper on the ground and walked away. No one batted an eye. Here in this ancient city that was named after a man lauded as "The Great " I too wept, seeing I had no more worlds to conquer.

MeatsOfRage, in And that's why I am the way I am

“You are now just slow and weak”

“Ah so no change then”

dustyData,

“…Not exactly, you blew your liver, so now you’ll have diarrhea after every meal.”

“So…no change then?“

Dagnet,

“… Well, you will have to wear diapers and will be ridiculed everywhere you go”

“So… No change then?”

JackbyDev, (edited ) in You're tearing me apart!

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yamanii, in Icon design
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

Overcomplication is better.

Fridgeratr, in Icon design

I seem to be the only one who likes the new Firefox logo. It’s way more colorful!

TheGrandNagus,

I think most actually like it more, it’s just people are a lot more likely to come online and make posts if they dislike something.

Octopus1348,
@Octopus1348@lemy.lol avatar

I think the same. The old logo also had a weird Nintendo 64-like 3D.

Ross_audio,

I’d be happiest with the simple one in the old colours.

Orange and blue look way better to me than light orange and purple.

rustydrd,
@rustydrd@sh.itjust.works avatar

You are not alone, we just don’t meme about it.

bi_tux,
@bi_tux@lemmy.world avatar

personally I think it’s not bad, but I still haven’t gotten used yo it

tbh it smh feels like they just changed it a month ago, idk when they actually changed it

AceFuzzLord,

The new logo looks sleek and nice, but I personally just really like more complex logos.

fidodo,

You might like them in isolation but icons need to exist in a lot of uis and contexts so having an overly detailed one will make it look weird when juxtaposed with what’s around it.

fidodo,

I like it too, the old one was too detailed which makes it stand out too much. Icons need to work in a lot of contexts so simpler is almost always better.

accideath,

The old one was great – in the context of late 00s to early 2010s design philosophy. It fit right in with Apple‘s skeumorphic design language and Microsofts Aero design. The new one is the perfect answer to the modern, more minimalist design. (Although I’m glad we’re mostly out of the "flat“ design era of Windows Metro and similar UIs)

JackbyDev,

I miss Aero design so much.

fidodo,

That’s true, it fit in with the trends of the time. I guess part of my feeling is that I never actually liked skeumorphic design so I’ve been happy that flat caught on. There was a period where it did get too flat, but I like the middle ground we’re at now.

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