HootinNHollerin,

The Europeans that went to America were the ones doing that though

criitz,

Yeah they were still Europeans when they names them. This should be the Obama award meme

lugal,

They were. The American identity came later. Until the war of independence, settlers identified with the European countries of their heritage

Che_Donkey,
@Che_Donkey@lemmy.ml avatar

…still do

lugal,

I don’t live in America but I think most would consider themselves Americans. They are proud of the flag and the constitution and stuff. In the 1600s, you wouldn’t have figured a white person when someone said “American”. The whites were Brits or Germans or French, but not American. The natives were Americans.

WarmSoda,

In america we refer to our families by their heritage. Italian American. Irish American. Etc.

Che_Donkey,
@Che_Donkey@lemmy.ml avatar

this statement sums it up nicely. Anecdotally, when I lived in Buenos Aires, every single person was "second generation " Italian…lol

WarmSoda,

Lol yeah I’ve seen that before.

lugal,

Italian American. Irish American. Etc.

My point exactly. They aren’t Italians who happen to live in America but Americans with Italian heritage. And I’m not talking about first or second generation but like “white” people in general. The concept of whiteness exists since they started to be Americans.

WarmSoda,

I’m not really sure what you’re saying. There were no white people before the USA?

lugal,

No, but white people didn’t identify as Americans before that. Neither did they think of themselves as white but as Brits or what ever.

The concept of whiteness only makes sense when it’s in contrast to other, non-white groups. “We are Brits and the Germans aren’t” morphed into “We and the Germans are white and the natives and slaves aren’t”. Hope that makes sense.

criitz, (edited )

Americans consider themselves Americans, but especially in the early days of the melting pot, cultural identity, and specifically that heritage was important. That’s why Americans are always saying they are Irish or Italian or whatever. The actual people from those countries laugh or get defensive about Americans who have never left the US claiming that heritage, but there’s a reason behind it.

acockworkorange,

It’s weird. Someone once told me her husband was German after I mentioned I lived there for a while. So I asked where they’re from, maybe I knew. “From Mississippi…”

kemsat,

They still are. Note how the USA helps Ukraine, primarily white country, but not so much countries that are primarily brown people.

Blackmist,

They don’t help Ukraine because white.

They help Ukraine because fuck Russia.

See also Afghanistan (70s and 80s edition, not the remake)

kersploosh, (edited )
@kersploosh@sh.itjust.works avatar

A lot of the time they didn’t even bother appending “New.” We have way too many Berlins, Manchesters, Lebanons, etc.

Our native-inspired place names are the superior place names, anyway.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_place_names_of_Native_American_origin_in_the_United_States

Assman,
@Assman@sh.itjust.works avatar

lebanonusa.com

kersploosh,
@kersploosh@sh.itjust.works avatar

Thanks for that! What a good idea for a road trip.

Assman,
@Assman@sh.itjust.works avatar
elcheaponcod,

You need all the inspiration you can get .

nxdefiant, (edited )

After they were actually American, they resorted to “What it was called by the people who lived here first, but pronounced wrong”

lugal,

who lived here first

Sounds like they still live here. And sounds like they were a homogeneous mass. There were differnt cultures living together and to choose a word they used, is a nice gesture, but still it was the whites who decided which one to pick

SwingingTheLamp,

Hey, that’s just not true. Sure, the name of my state is Wisconsin, but we also have names based on “What it was called by the French, but pronounced wrong,” like Beloit (“buh-loit”), Butte des Morts (“boo-da-more”), and Lac Courte Oreilles (“la-coo-der-ray”).

nxdefiant,

true

steakmeout,

New Zealand, named by America.

Ultragramps,
@Ultragramps@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

They named New Mexico, too, and it was so cool that aliens came to check out the city of Roswell.

FarFarAway, (edited )

Explain new Mexico then. /s

Ultragramps,
@Ultragramps@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

This may have been the question that the aliens wanted answered, when they landed there.

SuddenDownpour,

Wait until you hear about Latin American colonizers taking inspiration in the cities of “Granada”, “Córdoba” and “Santiago” to name their cities “Granada”, “Córdoba” and “Santiago”. At least Venezuela changed a couple letters from Venezia.

DumbAceDragon, (edited )
@DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works avatar

To be fair, have you ever been to regular York? I have, it sucked. New York is a slight to moderate improvement.

Nfamwap,

For real? York is one of England’s most historically important cities. And a really nice city, too. What sucked about it?

Kusimulkku,

Probably it being in England

Viking_Hippie,

No new Scunthorpe though, for some reason 🤔

Pickle_Jr,

Meanwhile, the Americans that didn’t even put “new” in front of the city name and just called it Paris, Texas or some shit. https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/165709ef-453f-4dfb-b697-b02de8f9ba48.png

Anticorp,

That’s a completely original name! Do you think Texans know anything about France?

AnUnusualRelic, (edited )
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

Isn’t it named after a girl in a sex tape?

Anticorp,

Yes actually. Paris Motel or something like that.

Steve,

Greetings from Naples Florida

Transporter_Room_3,
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

I can visit almost every continent without even leaving my state!

jol,

It must be horrible living there. You search for weather or news and get the more popular counterpart.

hobovision,

London, Ontario is one of the worst ones, and it’s not even in the US.

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

No New Shitterton, though. :(

son_named_bort,

And then there’s the Amish, who gave their towns names like Intercourse and Bird in Hand.

Spyker,

Let us not forget Blue Ball, Virginville, Balls Mills, and Climax.

platypus_plumba,

I think they’re trying to send a message.

Honytawk,

Well, what else can they do in the evening?

leraje,
@leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

That’s a pub name in the UK.

Bird In Hand, that is. Intercourse is what happens in the pub toilets.

Soku,

Just googled quickly out of interest. There’s 14 pubs called Bird in Hand within 30 miles from my location, plus 2 restaurants and one bus stop with the same name.

leraje,
@leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

A bus stop? Is it right outside the local?

Soku,

There’s a pub 0.3 miles from the bus stop. I suppose better than to name the stop “Nisa local” or “shopnumber5”.

ornery_chemist,

But obviously pronounced wrong.

New Prague, MN, for example (/nu pɹeɪg/)

Exslash,

I literally just used new prague as an example to my fiance over Christmas, about how we are super unoriginal in naming places in this country. Also hello fellow Minnesotan.

TimewornTraveler,

Praha

edgemaster72,
@edgemaster72@lemmy.world avatar

Still better than I’d do naming things. It’d just be Landplace 1, Landplace 2, etc.

meliaesc,

The City of Townsville

ILikeBoobies,

Australia or Powerpuff Girls?

meliaesc,

Never Australia.

kamen, (edited )

-This road

-That road

xX_fnord_Xx,

Don’t forget underscores for easier parsing! Landplace_1, Landplace_2…

RagingRobot,

It’s weird they went with new instead of better. Maybe they weren’t very optimistic.

NoSpiritAnimal,
@NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world avatar

Better York

Less Crappy Orleans

Marginally Improved Haven

InternetCitizen2,

Or more accurately Great Britain should just be OK Britain.

bizarrocullen,

Fun fact: Britain was called great to differentiate it from ‘little’ or ‘lesser’ Britain, with theories go between Ireland and Brittany

vaultdweller013, (edited )

Lets be honest here, great Britain should be called below standard Britain.

Pipoca,

Sometimes in colonial America, people named things in honor a Duke who funded/controlled the place.

For example, after NY was captured from the Dutch, it was a proprietary colony of the Duke of York.

Better York sounds like it’s just antagonistic towards the guy.

NigelFrobisher,

It’s actually more like “Noo”.

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