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Hirom, in Netanyahu declares holy war against Gaza, citing the Bible

Be aware that Middle East Monitor is rated “Factual reporting: Mixed” and strongly biased as it sometime use poor sources and use loaded words.

La Croix published an alaysis of this Isaiah Prophecy quote (french). They found it’s a poor and/or convoluted reference, and that article do not mention “Holy War” so this expression is most likely editorializing from the Middle East Monitor.

GiddyGap,

It’s really just a video of Netanyahu saying the words himself. It’s not interpreted or analysed by the website. Don’t see how that can be very biased.

Hirom,

I watched it a second time to be sure. While the voiceover doesn’t say “Holy War” he does cite religion and sounds like religious radicals dog-whistle.

There’s good reasons to be critical of Netanyahu government, but I’d still suggest seeking better sources.

xgranade, (edited )

It may indeed be, I’m not familiar with Middle East Monitor, but Media Bias/Fact Check are themselves rather infamously biased towards the American right wing. For example, they list the New York Times as nearly as left-biased as their scale goes, despite that the Times has largely taken the Republican party line on a number of issues, such as queer rights (their deceptive coverage of trans rights has been a large part of the current moral panic, and has led to multiple open lettersof protest). The Times was even instrumental in elevating Trump to the presidency with their incredibly dubious decision to give Comey’s procedural memo front page placement and a misleading headline mere days before the election — a choice that Nate Silver has said was possibly deciding on the election. The Guardian is also listed as left-center despite even more extreme transphobic editorial decisions than even the Times.

Similarly, they list MSNBC as far-left, despite them having Republican-led shows and frequent Republican guests. I’ll definitely agree there’s some degree to which they’re on the left, but it’s pretty minor all told. The idea that they’re far left is just ridiculous, and one that only makes sense from the perspective of America’s right-wing culture.

At the same time, they list Wall Street Journal as mostly credible, something that just isn’t a serious take on media credibility.

(Edited to add: a lot of this comes down to the very strong bias in American media towards the “both sides” idea that if two sources disagree, the truth must be in the middle. That bias is especially clear in discussions of climate change, but it’s also prevalent in discussions of other political issues more generally.)

Powderhorn,
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As usual, our Overton window is all that matters to people in the states. There’s some active debate about how much longer centralized media control in all legacy formats will mean the level of control the phrase implies, but until that shifts, Overton is staying put.

bedrooms,

Nah, news organizations aren't internet echo chamber.

I mean, if they write dozens of opinions a day, news organizations labeled center-left or even left-leaning have to go to the other side sometimes. If not, they're just propaganda machines.

salarua, in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend
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‘The Onion’ Stands With Israel Because It Seems Like You Get In Less Trouble For That - The Onion posts absolutely fire satire (safire?) once again

Five,
Akasazh,
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sincle354,

Their Onion Explains: The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict is eight years old, but I still consider it paramount to understanding this complex geopolitical conflict.

Hikingbirdingdying, in Israel strikes Gaza tower as death tolls jump after Hamas attack

This is what happens when everyone turns a blind eye to apartheid governments.

Landrin201,
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No this is what happens when terrorists overwhelm a border crossing and stsrt indiscriminately murdering civilians, then carry their mutilated bodies around as literal flags as they celebrate the murder in the street

bdonvr,

I assume you’ve been just as outraged and outspoken about atrocities carried out by the IDF?

Is killing civilians fine as long as they don’t do it too “barbarically” for you?

Should Palestinians just lay back and continue to let the settlers take what little of their homeland they have left? They’re being genocided. They’re fighting back in whatever way they’re capable

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  • bdonvr,

    looked up a map of Israel and Palestine

    I’ve seen this one: https://thelemmy.club/pictrs/image/99b4613f-aed4-4fb8-8cda-5a88f6c7b29d.jpeg

    for no reason at all

    Ah, so you’re just a troll then

    Titan,

    Yeah this happens daily in Palestine. Suddenly people care what happens over there? Gimme a break

    Landrin201,
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  • sludge,
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    “This is WELL beyond anything that Israel has done in the last few decades. Civilians killed during military actions in Gaza are not even remotely similar to this” why? they’re still dead.

    kurcatovium,

    Exactly. They’re dead. In the end it doesn’t even matter how they died, they’re just dead. Is one way worse? Yes, but the result is still horrific. They. Are. Dead. Noone can take it back. Does it make worse that crowd applauds the killing? Yes. But same goes for the Israeli crowd (like the one in Kneset) applauding killing terrorist together with their families and children…

    The older I am the more disgusted of all the war pigs and warmongers I am. As a teen I scoffled at hippies and their beliefs, today I’d shake their hands. Fuck war, fuck killing, fuck war pigs.

    bdonvr,

    It seems your issue isn’t that civilians are dead, but that you are actually paying attention and seeing it now that it’s happening to the colonizers. When it happens in Gaza you don’t pay attention to the images, you don’t empathize with the families destroyed.

    But now there’s a relatively (to all that the IDF has done) small attack from Palestine and suddenly it’s front page news everywhere.

    apotheotic, in Anti-China Rhetoric Is Off the Charts in Western Media

    International sentiment generally negative about country actively committing genocide.

    More at 11.

    Jokes aside - yeah? Of course there’s propaganda about China. I would wager its hard to find a big international power that doesn’t have some level of propaganda being spread about it by the other big international powers. But between the propaganda you still find a bunch of real reasons to have negative views toward China’s leadership and actions.

    • Uyghur genocide (ongoing)
    • authoritarian rule with huge censorship of outside media I really don’t need to go on
    falsem,

    Can we add bellicose relations with a lot of their neighbors over the expansionist goals they're pushing?

    BestBouclettes, in Expel all Palestinians from Gaza, recommends Israeli gov't ministry

    Well yeah they should move them in camps while trying to find a final solution to the Palestinian problem.
    Wait, I feel like I’ve heard of something similar somewhere.

    Unaware7013,

    While they're at it, let's have them make things while in the camps. Because after all, work makes you free, right?

    Bitrot,
    @Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Maybe they’ll send them to Madagascar.

    Hyperreality, (edited ) in Israel Readying Emergency Regulations Allowing Arrest of Journalists for Factual Reporting

    Their (far-)right government promised security, but delivered one of the largest intelligence failures and tragedies in Israeli history.

    The ruling coalition failed to gain a majority of votes in the last election, only getting a majority in the knesset thanks to a rule change which prevented smaller parties from getting seats.

    They'll try to double down and use this 'opportunity' to entrench their power. Because if Israel held free and fair elections next month, they're all out of a job.

    Turns out that once elected, it's hard to get rid of the far right and right wing populists. They'll happily burn the democracy that helped get them elected.

    Rozauhtuno,
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    Tolerating intolerance failed once again, who could’ve guessed? 🙄

    Domiku, in Google’s AI Is Making Traffic Lights More Efficient and Less Annoying | WIRED

    Next week: Google is closing down its traffic light program. It’s Mad Max on the roads now.

    tardigrada, (edited ) in Iran, child bride and year-long victim of domestic violence Samira Sabzian who killed her 'husband' has been been executed in Ghezelhesar Prison

    I don’t want to disturb the thread here about religion, islam, and the like, but the point here is that a young girl was forced into a marriage at the age of 15, then raped and beaten by her ‘husband’, and then hanged by an autocratic regime because she obviously found no other way out of the horror. The Iranian regime is in charge of that, the people responsible are to be held accountable, rather than any religion, ideology, or the like.

    Vilian,

    exactly, also these type of shit can happen in any totalitary regime www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52651477

    Gh05t,

    This is the point I was trying to get at; although very inelegantly. Thanks for this.

    jarfil,

    This is horrible and should be documented… but let’s be realistic: nobody will be held accountable as long as Iran has Oil and Nukes… and by the time it runs out of those, the people responsible will likely be long dead.

    All we can do is hope for Cold Fusion to become a reality, so all the Oil based dictatorships would collapse.

    Armen12, in Biden says Netanyahu must change, Israel losing global support

    I love how a country is allowed to just get away with killing children and UN workers and doctors and journalists but we condemn countries that do the same thing like Russia. It makes no sense that Israel should get a free pass, all it does is expose a huge double standard

    idiocracy,

    it’s not getting away with it since civilians are not the target in the first place. fake news, propoganda.

    fosforus, (edited )

    all it does is expose a huge double standard

    No, a simple unistandard. I’ll illustrate with a meme.

    https://sopuli.xyz/pictrs/image/1d658bab-1bd5-4b73-bc2c-57586624383c.png

    bartolomeo,
    @bartolomeo@suppo.fi avatar

    Russia has the right to self defense.

    Do you condemn NATO?

    /s

    HeartyBeast,
    @HeartyBeast@kbin.social avatar

    If Ukraine had initially launched an attack on Russia and killed 1,200 mainlycivilians, taken 200+ hostages and thrown in a bit of organised gang rape, I doubt Ukraine would be receiving its current level of support, and there may even have been some support for retaliatory action by Russia.

    That’s not to say that Israel’s current appalling treatment of Palestinian civilians is justified

    cwagner, (edited )

    It’s crazy. On reddit, it’s 90%

    Let’s ignore how many people israel has killed, they need to kill more, and let’s also go ahead an label everyone who says “too much” a hamas supporter

    Then you go here and it’s again 90%

    Let’s not even call hamas terrorist, more like freedom-fighters with some friendly rape and friendly fire thrown in.

    livus,
    @livus@kbin.social avatar

    I don't agree with this characterization at all.

    Here in the fediverse there are many people with opinions similar to mine, i.e we are on the side of civillians, not any of the belligerents in this hellscape of war crimes.

    sqgl,

    You are describing r/Worldnews not other Reddit subs.

    And Lemmy has been 50-50, with very little actual personal attacking.

    idiocracy,

    what do u mean 50-50? give me one thread here that isn’t anti Israel and with massive upvote/downvote ratio

    sqgl, (edited )
    GBU_28,

    Wut? I’ve not seen a single pro Israel thread here.

    sqgl,
    GBU_28, (edited )

    Not moving the goalposts but I meant Lemmy in general, not beehaw, cause no downvotes

    But I admit you supplied a link to my request. I stand.partially informed

    sqgl,

    Ah, so only beehaw prohibits downvotes, not other Lemmy instances. TIL.

    I guess even what I showed you may have gone negative if downvotes were allowed. The person I was arguing with wasn’t being nasty about it, just incredibly obstinate.

    I worry about a return to Nazi style anti-semitism (though I hate Likud) which the polarized discussions are leading us towards. It is arrogant to think it could never happen again.

    Zoop,

    Some Lemmy instances have downvotes, some don’t. It varies by instance. I think most instances have/allow downvotes. Beehaw & Blahaj are two bigger ones that don’t that I can think of off of the top of my head.

    Also agreed with your last bit. I’m nervous about it, too. I wish people would just be decent and… not suck, lol.

    Titan,

    Worldnews mods are clearly fascist. They banned me for being skeptical of IDF sources

    sqgl, (edited )

    If it makes you feel any better, I got banned for my first and only comment there (not even a post) which was a link and an explanation of the high credentials of the author. Like this…

    …substack.com/…/how-america-took-out-the-nord-str…

    Hersh first gained recognition in 1969 for exposing the My Lai Massacre and its cover-up during the Vietnam War, for which he received the 1970 Pulitzer Prize for International Reporting.

    Titan,

    Yeah they are clearly forcing a narrative there.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if someone from IDF social media team is involved in some way, either as a mod or paying the mods handsomely

    cwagner,

    I do not visit worldnews. This description fits to both /r/europe and /r/de.

    And regarding lemmy, maybe on other instances, but I’m only on beehaw.

    sqgl, (edited )

    Haven’t visited those subs.

    I might be describing beehaw rather than other Lemmy instances. That was why I joined beehaw, because it promised civility.

    cwagner,

    As I said, I only know of beehaw as well. No personal attacks, but also nowhere near 50-50 sentinment.

    sqgl, (edited )

    50-50 here

    acockworkorange,

    Except it wasn’t Palestine that attacked, it was a group disassociated with the Palestinian Authority, that Israel itself funds so it can justify the “war” to favor the arms dealers and distract the constituents of the terrible administration they’re receiving.

    The two conflicts are not even remotely comparable.

    HeartyBeast,
    @HeartyBeast@kbin.social avatar

    The two conflicts are not even remotely comparable.

    That was largely my point.

    acockworkorange,

    You have a weird way of getting to it, seeing as you compared the two right out of the door.

    HeartyBeast,
    @HeartyBeast@kbin.social avatar

    Given that I was replying to a message drawing equivalence, you'll see that I was saying that they weren't really equivalent, in that Ukraine hadn't mounted an attack on Russian civilians. Hope that helps.

    ImplyingImplications,

    Isreal’s main exports are cutting-edge technology found nowhere else in the world. Russia’s main export is oil. Western and European Union countries were fine getting their oil elsewhere, but they absolutely do not want to give up advanced tech. Especially since there will always be other countries that don’t care and will continue trading anyway.

    sqgl,

    Israel ain’t Taiwan. What tech do you think is indispensable there?

    livus,
    @livus@kbin.social avatar

    Maybe they mean this sort of thing.

    ImplyingImplications,

    Bioscience and Military tech are also fields Isreali companies excel at.

    sqgl, (edited )

    I often hear of Bioscience “breakthroughs” from Israel which amount to nothing but hype.

    What military tech apart from Iron Dome? (which protects against crappy home made rockets)

    idiocracy,

    search for Israeli Nobel prize winners.

    and multiple countries want to have their hand on iron dome including Ukraine so where ur going with this?

    livus,
    @livus@kbin.social avatar

    Israel sells billions worth of weapons a year, sometimes to repressive regimes like the Myanmar junta.

    It also innovates quite heavily in that space.

    I have been noticing a number of doctors mentioning a new kind of burn on children in Gaza. Israel routinely deploys new weapons there, and this may well be a new example of testing experimental weapons in Gaza

    TheMongoose,

    It's security software - firewalls, VPNs, that sort of thing. It's not that it's not available anywhere else, but the Israeli stuff was always considered among the best before this conflict kicked off.

    livus,
    @livus@kbin.social avatar

    It's also weapons. Many of which are sold as "battle tested" because they were tested in Palestine.

    scorpionix,
    @scorpionix@feddit.de avatar

    Mostly software based tech. Israel is leading in the field of “legal” spyware for example.

    Maeve,

    Extralegal!

    sqgl,

    You have a point there.

    sqgl, (edited )

    False equivalence.

    Russia bombed Kiev for the hell of it, not even pretending there was a military objective. Russia also is conscripting Ukrainians to fight against their fellow countrymen as cannon-fodder on the front line. It is kidnapping children into Russia.

    maynarkh,

    We could go an have a piss-fight between the warcrimes of Russia and the warcrimes of Israel.

    The US can be the bad guy in one conflict while be on the good side on another. Imperialism is bad, whether it’s Russia or the US doing it.

    Also, Hamas are war criminals as well. No good guys fighting there ATM.

    fosforus, (edited )

    No good guys fighting there ATM.

    IDF are the good guys, just like the Ukrainian army is. That doesn’t mean that every single individual in either army are angels or that every operation is virtuous, just that their overall intentions are just.

    An important question: What would the world look like if these guys won versus if they lost?

    Zworf, (edited )

    IMO the only “good guys” fighting there are the civilians “fighting” to survive. Not Hamas and not the IDF. Neither care about the innocent.

    idiocracy,

    I’m positively surprised ur not downvoted to hell for saying that I must say

    t3rmit3,

    There are no downvotes on Beehaw.

    livus,
    @livus@kbin.social avatar

    It's true, there are no downvotes on Beehaw. It doesn't accept them or federate them.

    However, people from other instances see a downvote button and it registers downvotes - but only from people on their own instance.

    @fosforus and @idiocracy are probably looking at those figures and mistaking it for over-all numbers.

    idiocracy,

    ohhhh that makes total sense now thanks!

    fosforus,

    Perhaps majority of the people who hate my comments about Israel vs Hamas have already blocked me

    idiocracy,

    that was funny and I thank u for that :D

    livus,
    @livus@kbin.social avatar

    IDF are the good guys

    Narrator: ...they weren't.

    NoIWontPickaName,

    Which is more important, ends or means?

    fosforus, (edited )

    Ends are more important.

    NoIWontPickaName,

    I can prove to you it is not.

    If my end is to have a million dollars, am I justified in killing whoever I want to get it?

    If someone rapes your sister, are you justified in killing their whole family to get to them?

    If someone kills your daughter, are you justified in burning down a city in revenge?

    fosforus, (edited )

    Oh, I didn’t realize you asked “do ends always justify the means?”. My mistake.

    sqgl, (edited )

    The whole point of the article is Biden criticizing Israel for going too far in their mission to eradicate Hamas. He even criticized US for invading Afghanistan.

    Hyperreality, (edited )

    Bit of a tangent, but I find it insane that the US spent over 2000 billion to fight the war in Afghanistan, but congress is unwilling to authorise giving the Ukrainians 60 billion. A relatively small amount, that means Ukrainians can keep fighting Russia, decreasing the likelihood of American troops ever having to get involved in a war in Europe.

    Zworf,

    But that 2000 billion went directly into the military industrial complex. Ka-ching.

    Is the same true for that 60 billion?

    sqgl,

    I once did the sums to calculate that USA could have afforded a run a gun buyback scheme (like Australia) rather than invade Iraq, you know… to cut down on Americans killing Americans.

    Hyperreality,

    I did the sums, and the US would have been able to fund a large moonbase for the next century, mine asteroids AND seriously begin colonising Mars.

    But instead of becoming an interplanetary power, the US chose to blow up brown farmers.

    Zworf,

    And accomplished nothing for the people there, within 2 months it was as bad as it ever was before the US came.

    sqgl,

    Kubrick’s 2001, A Space Odysseyvs Dr Strangelove

    TheMongoose,

    Ah, but from where I sit (a long way from the US), it looks more like a pissing contest between the Republicans to see who can be the most terrible human being in government, than it does look like any sort of actual policy or principal.

    It's not about helping Ukraine, or avoiding the mistakes of Afghanistan - it's about trying to make Biden (and/or 'The Dems' in general) look bad, even if that involves civilian deaths.

    Are they evil, Russian agents or just absolute clowns? It doesn't really matter, does it. The end result is the same.

    Zoop,

    From someone in the US, smack dab in the middle of very dense Republican land (Oklahoma,) I want you to know that you’ve nailed it! You’re spot on. I wish you were exaggerating, lol.

    livus,
    @livus@kbin.social avatar

    He criticizes their war crimes with one hand but with the other hand he gives them billions of dollars to help them commit more.

    Netanyahu said in a statement on Tuesday that Israel had received "full backing" from the U.S. for its ground incursion into Gaza and that Washington had blocked "international pressure to stop the war."

    Heresy_generator, (edited ) in WhatsApp’s AI shows gun-wielding children when prompted with ‘Palestine’
    @Heresy_generator@kbin.social avatar

    ANNs like this will always just present our own biases and stereotypes back to us unless the data is scrubbed and curated in a way that no one is going to spend the resources to. Things like this are a good demonstration of why they need to be kept far, far away from decision making processes.

    HappyMeatbag,
    @HappyMeatbag@beehaw.org avatar

    Something as simple and obvious as this makes me wonder what other hidden biases are just waiting to be discovered.

    hh93,

    I think the best example about how AI will only further a bias that’s already there is the one when Amazon used AI to weed out applications by training an ai with which applications resulted in hired people and which failed - eventually they found that they almost only had interviews with men and upon closer inspection identified that they already were subconsciously discriminating against women earlier but at least HR sent them an equal amount of men and women to the interviews which now wasn’t the case anymore since the AI didn’t see the value in sending the women to interviews if most of them wouldn’t be hired anyway.

    tesseract,

    Of course they will be used for decision making processes. And when you complain, they will neglect you saying that the ‘computer’ said so. The notion that the computer is infallible existed even before LLMs became mainstream.

    megopie,

    And even if moderated, it will display new unique biases, as otherwise unassuming things will get moderated out of the pool by people who take exception to it.

    Not to mention the absurd and inhuman mental toll this work will take on the exploited workers forced to sort it.

    Like, this is all such a waist of time, effort, and human sanity, for tools of marginal use that are mostly just a gimmick to prop up the numbers for tech bros who have borrowed more money than they can pay back.

    EthicalAI,

    I mean, maybe we can make an Ai that uses reason to uncover these biases in the future from this starting point. We are only at the beginning.

    Greg,
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    This isn’t an Large Language Model, it’s an Image Generative Model. And given that these models just present human’s biases and stereotypes, then doesn’t it follow that humans should also be kept far away from decision making processes?

    The problem isn’t the tool, it’s the lack of auditable accountability. We should have auditable accountability in all of our important decision making systems, no matter if it’s a biased machine or biased human making the decision.

    This was a shitty implementation of a tool.

    jarfil, (edited )

    Things like this are a good demonstration of why they need to be kept far, far away from decision making processes.

    Somewhat ironic to say, on a platform that’s already using ANNs as a first line of defense against users spamming CSAM.

    I have no delusions regarding decision makers using them, my only doubt is for how long they’ve been using them to decide the next step in wars around the world.

    Lowbird,

    Also, it’s the type of thing that makes me very worried about the fact that most of the algorithms used in things like police facial recognition software, recidivism calculation software, and suchlike are proprietary black boxes.

    There are - guaranteed - biases in those tools, whether in their processors or in the unknown datasets they’re trained on, and neither police nor journalists can actually see the inner workings of the software to know what those biases are, to counterbalance them or to recognize if the software is so biased as to be useless.

    GiddyGap, in I.R.S. to Begin Trial of Its Own Free Tax-Filing System

    A spokeswoman for Intuit, Tania Mercado, criticized the direct file project as a “half-baked solution” and a waste of taxpayer money.

    Yeah, screw you. You shouldn’t have to pay to file your taxes. End of story.

    anachronist,

    waste of taxpayer money

    The existence of Intuit as a company has wasted taxpayers (checks notes) $14.37 billion dollars.

    Hazzia,

    Paying for the honor of either giving the government more money, or convincing them that they took too much and to give it back. But don’t worry, they’ll double check your work sometimes to make sure you gave them enough (fuck you if you gave them too much though). Oh, thinking “if they know how much I owed them anyway, why do I have to do this shit in the first place?” Fuck you, that’s why.

    GiddyGap,

    Oh, thinking “if they know how much I owed them anyway, why do I have to do this shit in the first place?”

    They do that in pretty much all other developed countries. Never had to worry about filing taxes when I lived overseas. Just double check their work and forget about it until next year.

    floofloof, in Israel orders more Gazans to flee, bombs areas where it sends them

    It came as Gaza’s health ministry said that at least 15,899 Palestinians, 70% of them women or under 18s, have now been killed in Israeli air and artillery strikes on the enclave since Oct. 7. Thousands more are missing and feared buried in rubble.

    Whatever this is, it’s kind of walking like a genocide and quacking like a genocide.

    jarfil,

    Wasn’t the plan to send all 2 million Gaza residents to refugee camps on the Sinai, where Israel would have to control and reeducate them for at least a generation?

    Now, I’m no expert in genocides…

    ThirdWorldOrder, in Jerusalem Catholic Patriarch offers to be exchanged for Gaza hostages

    I mean, you’re the one sharing the news lmao.

    megopie, in Heads of 3 top US colleges refuse to say calling for genocide of Jews is harassment

    What a garbage article, like, start to finish manipulative attempt to build a stupid narrative. Like, antisemitism is a real thing but this kind of nonsense discredits real attempts to call it out.

    quo,

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  • deegeese,

    I bet you went around saying “ALL LIVES MATTER”.

    derbis, (edited )

    From this garbage article

    The chanting, I think, calling for intifada, global revolution, [is] very disturbing,” Magill said during questioning. “I believe at minimum that is hateful speech that has been and should be condemned.

    Intifada means “resistance.” Every occupied people has a right to resist. Except, apparently, Palestinians.

    … grilled Gay on Harvard’s Middle East Studies courses, which she claimed included “false accusations that Israel is a racist, settler colonialist, apartheid state

    Well, it is. No amount of trying to conflate support for human rights with antisemitism is going to change that.

    If this is what they mean by “hate” nobody should be surprised that lots of people aren’t buying it.

    megopie,

    Because it is a loaded question, to answer it is to imply that this is a common or large scale issue on US campuses, which it clearly isn’t.

    Heresy_generator, (edited )
    @Heresy_generator@kbin.social avatar

    As the university presidents were trying to explain to Clown Shoes, sorry, I mean Elise Stefanik: Harassment is conduct that is severe or pervasive enough to create an environment that a reasonable person would consider intimidating, hostile, or abusive. A one-time generalized statement calling for genocide not targeted at a specific individual would not usually rise to the level of harassment per se, but can certainly be part of a pattern of harassment. Similarly, actual bullying is a pattern of abusive behavior and cannot be defined by any single act as it is often used colloquially.

    That's the game Stefanik is playing: She knows these universities' policies are bound by the actual, legal definitions of "harassment" and "bullying" but she's counting on her ignorant audience not knowing those definitions and instead thinking the words are defined as what they use them for in their own lives: someone being mean.

    achille225, in French parliament backs proposal to ban vapes

    It seems the title is misleading to some people : France is just banning the use of SINGLE-USE vapes, not all vapes.

    nicetriangle,
    @nicetriangle@kbin.social avatar

    Hard to blame them. The amount of e waste is staggering

    autumn,
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    good. i found a ton of these nasty little things in my backyard when i moved into my current house. the house was (no surprise) previously occupied by a bunch of undergrads.

    maynarkh,

    Isn’t that a massive fire hazard apart from being bad for the environment?

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    Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 134217728 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 16384 bytes) in /var/www/kbin/kbin/vendor/symfony/error-handler/ErrorRenderer/HtmlErrorRenderer.php on line 335