Not to argue about what’s right or wrong, but companies spend a lot of (marketing) money on building hype for upcoming projects, and that stuff is planned out way ahead of time. Leaks fuck up their plans for what and when to release this stuff, and can mess up their timing.
They want the hype to be at its peak around release. Leaks can build hype at the wrong moment, and it can die down before the film releases.
Fair point, but unless you’re just interested in seeing something do poorly, leaks can absolutely fuck over somethings chances of success, often with no particular benefit.
Possibly, but I’d think there’s an equal chance that it interests new customers. I’d have to see data proving either way.
But it’s still ridiculous to be so concerned about the corporation that made a kabillion dollars in profit last year. If they’re so go at their business that they can make those kinds of profits, one leaked image is not a problem.
They have considered how much the gains from being evil assholes offset the cost of alienating some people, and found that they make more by being evil, it’s not stupid.
There’s also the fact that remote start, while shorter range, has existed on key fobs for like 20 years. My ex wife’s 2022 Hyundai has remote start, but only through the app, while my 2013 Focus has it on the key fob.
That’s honestly the only feature that’s bundled in those subscriptions that I really want, though the alarm notification is a nice to have.
Ok, enough. At this point it’s too evident that you’re a troll paid for by Hyundai. You’ll be out of a job soon, since this will no longer be effective.
It’s a stupid image, how can you give this much of a shit about something so inconsequential? You’re all over this thread sucking hyundai subscription dong, what gives?
You’ve changed my mind. I am now also so concerned that this post in a piracy community could bankrupt hyundai and poison the minds of an entire generation that I will spend hours arguing about it on some obscure social media platform. Thank you for your service.
I have a 22 kia with remote start. I also have the app (that costs the same as this post so I don’t pay either). The remote start sets the car to 72 with nothing else on. No way to change it via settings. Paying for the app remote start is the only way to do the defroster, heated seats, steering wheel, etc. It’s so fucking lame.
The issue is that with ongoing service across time, the longer the service is being used the more it costs Kia. The larger the time boxes Kia uses the bigger the number is and the more you’re going to scare off customers.
Using Kias online build and price, looks like the most expensive Telluride you can get right now is $60k MSRP, cheapest at 30k
Let’s assume Kia estimates average lifetime of a Telluride to be 20 years so they create an option to purchase this service one time for the “lifetime” of the vehicle. Taking in good faith the pricing Kia has listed, using that $150 annual package, and assuming that price goes up every year at a rate of 10% (what Netflix, YouTube, etc have been doing) across those twenty years you’re looking at around $8.5k option. At the top trim thats still 14% extra that is going to make some buyers hesitant, at the base model that’s 28% more expensive.
Enough buyers will scoff at that so Kia can either ditch the idea entirely as they’ll lose money on having to pay for the initial development and never make their money back, or they find some way to repackage that cost and make it look like something that buyers are willing to deal with.
To me the bigger issue is the cost of the service vs what you’re getting. Server time + dev team + mobile data link cannot be costing Kia more than a few million annually, mid to upper hundred K is more likely so they must not be expecting that many people to actually be paying for any of this
Assume the communication with the app it through Internet. The car must have a 4G chip (too early to see 5G in cars, I think?). So no matter what you pay, it won’t work when 4G is retired. With marketing pushing to get new standards always faster, 4G may not last another 20years.
Anyway, bear in mind that once you subscribe, they will most likely collect detailed data about how you use the features and sell that as well…
Finally someone who gets it
Glad to see you here my fellow comrades
Honestly the people who defended subscription models for something that you already paid & own are dumb (or maybe just trolling around) like people who defend adobe for subscription models
This reminds me of the video game industry. Make a complete game, then choose to remove pieces to sell later as add-on content. Lol. The only thing I see costing them money is if they have to pay for an LTE subscription to maintain that internet connectivity so you can start your car from an app.
You keep mentioning “official video by (insert manufacturer name here)”. Are you even thinking when you say that? It’s the manufacturer, what the hell were you expecting them to promote? “were fucking you over, so here’s why you have to give us more money for a car that you think is yours but actually will never be”?
The video shows the fob starting the car. It also states that you can pay for the app to be able to do it anywhere.
It’s not a promo video, it’s a “how to” for car owners.
Are we not to believe that it really does that?
What is this internet thing for if I can’t find information? Do I have to drive to a car dealership and ask to find out if this is true? Do I need to see it in action? When I do, can you even trust my answer?
Not 1 person here has mentioned that it doesn’t work. Not 1 person here has said that the “feature” is useless or anything remotely similar.
What is in question here is the fucking pushing of companies to tie as many idiots as humanly possible to their subscriptions to keep on draining funds from them.
Give me the car for free, and maybe I’ll subscribe. Otherwise, I buy stuff with ALL it’s capabilities enabled or not at all.
My car is worth US$85,000 in my country. Everything works, app and all, and I don’t have to pay anything other than my loan, insurance, maintenance and charge (yes, it’s an electric vehicle).
I own a 2023 BYD Han, I have an account for the app, and I can do whatever it’s able to do from it without ever having to open my wallet again.
If and when they decide to make this a paid subscription, then I’ll sell that one, and move on.
So, yeah, follow a bullshit advertisement that you call a “tutorial” and believe what you want. They are just like drug pushers, only for tech.
Now who is the one making fucking noise without looking a things from a common sense perspective?
Not only that, but if you have no choice but to buy a car with internet connectivity, these are supposed to be the kind of bells and whistles they give to at least make it SEEM like you’re not being completely taken advantage of. It’s like a double-dip. “We’re giving your car connectivity so we can sell your telemetry, AND we get to charge you for all the useful features, too!”
If it costs SO much to maintain these services, cool. I’d be happy to save the poor little car manufacturers money by buying a model that uses no connectivity whatsoever. But, for some reason, they don’t seem to want to offer that. Gee, I wonder why.
Demand more out of them, because they’ll always be looking to get more out of you.
Thanks but this is when you have a Switch and unfortunately I don’t have one. I read that you can use the pros-key and Firmware without having an actual Switch (or is this wrong information?)
Ahh I see but isn’t that also a way to gain access to the games through Yuzu Emulator? At least that’s what I been reading and therefore trying this out
I might just do that and reupload the OCR’d copy. I already have 3 or 4 books that I’ve saved out to cut the binding off of and scan in- gonna need OCR for that too.
In my free time, of course. University waits for no student…
I use Copilot fully integrated with Office 365 in my work, and was one of the beta testers back in November. Anecdotally, it’s no better than any other LLM, and I have found hallucinates significantly more than ChatGPT. The Office integration is useful and I do use it more than any other AI tool for its convenience being ‘inside’ of Excel / Outlook etc, but you aren’t missing much by not having it.
I’m convinced it’ll be like power automate, that can’t even automate the most basic of tasks outside of really super specific tasks buried deep within their software.
If Microsoft is good at anything, it’s mediocrity.
My goodness bro, have you gotten it to go anything like the promo videos? Word always says “I’m still learning”, Copilot Chat will hit and miss finding files and documents, and any links from a response involving web searches are replaced with the text “An external link was removed to protect your privacy.” The Edge sidebar Copilot now has my company logo and can no longer “see” what I’m browsing. Before my user was licensed the Edge Copilot sidebar was different, the free version I suppose, and could do much more, just not browse my corporate files.
Edit: For example; the Word demo video in this link under business can’t be done. I have nearly this exact use case. I can get it to draft a proposal, with various results, based on a QuickBooks estimate, but the part where you then tell Copilot to modify the formatting isn’t the same as the video, with a Copilot button in the same dialog window as the Keep It button. And when you then summon Copilot from the side bar, you can’t even invoke the file reference action to make it change formatting and layout.
Worth noting that these features appear to require your car to be connected to a cellular network. This isn’t the same as BMW charging a fee for heated seats.
They could have just put a SIM card in your car and required you to pay your cell phone provider for a connection.
You don’t need a cellular connection for long range, low bandwidth communication. There are networks such as Lora that don’t require a paid subscription to use.
That’s not what this is though. I have a Hyundai Tuscan that is always connected to a cellular network.
I can always connect with the car with my phone if both the car and phone have internet access. It’s also how the “find my car” feature works. And also I believe software updates (OS and maps).
I meant that they don’t have to use a cellular connection, they could use something else if they wished. LoRa is a two way data connection designed for low bandwidth, long distance. Range can be anywhere from 3-10 miles depending on obstructions/obstacles. There are other similar protocols out there.
That’s farther than a cell phone. A cell phone might get 3 miles maybe more if you have the high ground. It’s a lower frequency and therefore has a longer range. There are both public and private gateways for LoRa. So you can use it even if you don’t own or operate a gateway.
I have something similar for my Subaru but it’s only 4 dollars a month.
It’s a fee I gladly pay to be able to start my car and set the interior climate from my phone. I imagine there’s some cost the access a network to have that functionality and I don’t see a problem paying for it.
The old style that started from a key fob required you to be a lot closer to the vehicle to start it. Right now I start it a few minutes before I leave my building a quarter of a mile away. I could start it from a different country if I wanted to. Needing to be within a few hundred feet would be pretty useless to me.
Very personal opinion of mine, I hate subscription crap. However, I have to agree that, based on what you say, Subaru’s cost is much easier to digest than Hyundai/Kia POS.
Congrats on the new Subaru. I also happily paid for the app using the introduction 3 year plan. Hit me up when you hit year 4 and see the REAL price tag they charge.
What about when a security vulnerability is discovered and your car can be started and unlocked by someone else? That’s one of my concerns with smart features from companies that aren’t primarily tech companies
This is free elsewhere. The fact that you’re okay paying monthly for remote start is hilarious and sad. Probably don’t tell people you’re okay with this.
The tesla app does an INSANE amount of shit no other vehicle app does and its free. But you want to pay monthly to turn your car on 😆
Things like this are why I am mostly glad to still be using xbmc on my original hacked Xbox. Not much space and I have to deal with FTP, but it still works a treat.
You know…
For lemmy being so dead set on replacing everything propietary with (F)OSS they are really firm on only using/stayung with Plex and pay a 100$ for their pass instead of things like Jellyfin…
I originally setup Plex and was immediately unhapy with their always online model as well as really poor support on their forums.
Pretty quickly moved to Emby and have been happy since (7 years). It’s not FOSS but it’s not locked down nearly as much as Plex, and they have a focus on keeping your info within your own systems. No telemetry.
I don’t mind paying a bit to support development, especially when they offer lifetime options instead of being stuck with a monthly subscription.
Jellyfin has branched out more into niche features like watch parties, leaaving some stability to be desired. Especially with apps like smart TVs. Emby has focused more on its core reliability across all platforms, comming up with a product that’s nice and stable pretty much everywhere.
Jellyfin was a fork of Emby when Emby went closed source as users kept removing the paywalls for premium features. Development time isn’t free; that’s not sustainable for a fulltime dev. Since, Jellyfin has barely kept up, lacking the resources/funding to really flesh out their code. (hell, ~75% is still embys code AFAIK)
It would be great if the Jellyfin Devs could have some sort of paid service that just does all the DNS/reverse proxy stuff required for remote access, and charge like £5 a month for it.
They would just have to make it clear that the money is going towards further development, not just for the actual service. And obviously continue to allow others to set things up themselves if desired.
I’d pay for that so quick, it would just be so convenient
Yeah, but relying on peoples generosity is less than ideal unfortunately…
On the other hand; when you’ve got to pay to use a product, you’re a bit more entitled to its use and support than a free project that gets worked on at the devs leisure. Especially when the developers maintain that same view.
It’s a fine line between securing stable income for your efforts while not limiting the usage of your products. I think Embys developers have done a pretty good job keeping that balance. I’ve certainly never had an issue with the activation and use of premium features, and the licence I bought 7 years ago has held excellent value. I’ve just been waiting on some funds to donate ontop as I feel I’ve gotten more than I’ve paid for.
Here, friend. Plex will send you an invite, use it on whatever device you have because it probably supports Plex
I share jellyfin with friends
Now download this app, no that one…no this one. Why does this one not work . What do you mean it doesn’t exist. Now you need my help getting you going…
Sorry, Jellyfin is great if tech people but I run a Plex server so I don’t HAVE to help anyone anymore.
The problem I have with Plex is that default UI is bloated with recommendations, alternative sources and what might as well be ads. Meaning I need to help less technically literate (and sometimes technically literate) friends set up the UI anyway. Just so that they can actually cut through the piles of bullshit to see my server content.
Plex’s default UI is ruined by it trying to shovel its extra shit onto you constantly, making it a terrible new user experience.
At least with Jellyfin you connect to the server and you’re done. It’s a lot more manual, but the UI is just better and easier to navigate.
I say this as an avid Plex user, mostly due to Jellyfin having somewhat dodgy support for more advanced audio and video codecs
The problem I have with Plex is that default UI is bloated…
Also an avid Plex user.
The Plex new user experience is absolute garbage. What if you just want to share a family video with your grandma? Someone better be there to do the initial app setup because it is overloaded with nonsense like Discover. Sharing Plex with a normal person? You still need to walk them through setup or they will not find your stuff, and stumble into the ad-supported streams.
Oh, and every client app is kinda different, which is terrible.
I do use and like Plex but man, I wish they would make some changes.
Your credentials are:
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To watch search “Jellyfin” on the playstore or visit this link: Link to playstore Link to Windows JMP
Have fun.
Sorry but those are at best comfortable excuses of moving dependencies to another platform.
At most you’d need to train them on how to the same as before.
The only issue I’d seen so far were playback issues with non-standard encodings (audio codecs for example) and playback devices unable to work with whats reported…
But this is one of the rare uglies I have seen so far.
Not me. I set up my server last November and tried Plex. It reminded me too much of too many services starting to lose their way. Given recent events it looks like I was right. We use Kodi because my partner prefers it, but I really like Jellyfin myself. It was a learning process but really only took two or three hours with research time to set up. Costs me nothing and I don’t have any ads, upselling, or any other BS that will eventually turn into more extreme attrition.
Plex is definitely trying to monetize and I am wary of how they will reconcile all of the discount lifetime passes that were sold over the years
But I still think it is “good”. Yes, they are adding in hooks for different services and are technically a service of their own (every month there is a “free” movie they offer that I tell myself I will watch and then I never do). But all of that can pretty easily be hidden if I just want access to my library and the libraries of my friends. Its very much a case where the extra features are not getting in the way of the core functionality.
I have “see if jellyfin is viable” on my todo list and have been checking in for years now. Basically every time I do it is “This looks better than it used to be but X or Y is still a headache”. Hopefully that will change if/when Plex shits the bed. But they haven’t so it isn’t really a concern for me.
You can get a cheap domain (~8 digit .xyz is 0.80$/y) and use cloudflare tunnels. You won’t have to expose your home network and the setup is really easy. You will be dependent on Cloudflare but I feel they’re fairly reliable.
Create a cloudflare account
Buy a .xyz domain (on for example Namecheap) consisting of only digits, it should cost less than a dollar a year of you have the right amount of digits.
Set your domain to the Cloudflare DNS server. (You can find instructions on Cloudflare for this).
Go to zero trust and create a tunnel. This allows you to share traffic from your local device on your domain in the next step. (It shows instructions on how to install it on your server)
Add public hostname and create a subdomain for jellyfish and point it to localhost:JELLYFIN_PORT.
Note: You can also do this for other services you host but I recommend using a VPN to connect to your device / home network instead because it does not require exposing it to the internet.
Cloudflare is a decent service, with really good security. Plus, with their tunnelling feature, they’re helping to keep you private. If you just pointed your A record to your IP, that’d be visible to everyone. Instead, your A record is just visible to Cloudflare. Plus it’s handy if you’re using them to forward a bunch of services onto the net. Not to mention all the other security features you can use. DNS records by design, are not private.
I use emby Plex and jellyfin. Plex just started it all so that’s where my library began. It’s clean and everything looks good. It will take me considerable time to migrate off it. I also paid 75$ for it in 2014, so I think that makes my point.
Jellyfin has always been on the back burner as a to-do, because I’m a huge advocate for open source.
Jellyfin is awesome! It does everything I could ask for and has been super stable for myself and a dozen friends and family. Almost all my media is 4k and some version of HDR. My cheap Intel ARC A380 and jellyfin handle everything beautifully. I tried plex but it’s hardware transcoding wasn’t as good with Intel GPU on Linux.
Very easy if you’re building a new box. The latest Linux kernel (6 I think) has all the required drivers available, and no encoding limit like Nvidia. The Intel GPUs are pretty great for media transcoding.
Personally I setup an old Dell r720 and stuck the GPU in that. My hypervisor is proxmox and I just run jellyfin as an unprivileged container.
Sure thing. My electric rate is pretty cheap though. You may be better off finding a small box with integrated graphics in the CPU. Then add storage separately. Connected NAS or something else.
But I like the Dell servers since they’re so cheap for the value.
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