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Lath, in A dangerous mistake to make

I'm confused. Is this correlation or causation?

Assman,
@Assman@sh.itjust.works avatar

First one, then the other

dalekcaan,

Correlation. Causation would be if confusing the two were literally killing them.

fossphi,

It’s clearly confounding variables

theodewere, in A dangerous mistake to make
@theodewere@kbin.social avatar

only as far as we know

M137,
@M137@lemmy.world avatar

Woooooosh

Sylver, in A dangerous mistake to make

I thought this was a threat or policy proposition at first

vale, in A dangerous mistake to make

EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO CONFUSES CORRELATION AND CAUSATION ENDS UP DYING

MyFairJulia,
@MyFairJulia@lemmy.world avatar

And nobody is doing anything about DHMO to put an end to this!

doingthestuff, in A dangerous mistake to make

Everyone who injests dihydrogen monoxide ends up dying as well. Be careful out there, the more you know…

ChickenLadyLovesLife, (edited ) in A dangerous mistake to make

A weird thing I’ve noticed about “correlation does not equal causation” is that some people actually end up thinking it means “correlation does equal not causation” - i.e. if A and B are correlated then A does not cause B (and B does not cause A). A more accurate expression would be “correlation does not necessarily equal causation”.

blackbrook, in The dangers of doing science during a dry spell

Um, would you put on these white gloves and talk in a high voice?

h3mlocke, in Lol!!!

🤷‍♀️

foolsh_one, (edited )

If the horizon of the universe is like the horizon of a blackhole then the energy loss through Hawking radiation through the converstion e=mc^2 simply implies that mass is lost from the universe over time. If we extrapolate out this energy/mass loss over time for every mass in the universe then the distance between the surfaces of each grow as a relative change with the exponentially decreasing mass over time, directly correlating the dark phenomena we observe as a geometric quantum event.

don, in Probability.... Need I say more?!

“Detector! Has the sun gone nova?”

“Calculating… results available in 9 minutes and 14 seconds.”

Bye, in Probability.... Need I say more?!

I don’t like this comic because the frequentist statistician is operating with an effective n=1. You’d ask the detector 1000 more times, and use those results to get your answer.

marcos, (edited )

The frequentist is unable to insert pre-conceived biases. Both will converge on the real answer if they repeat the experiment enough, but the bias being what it is, the Sun may indeed go nova on the necessary time.

lseif,

sample size of 1 is usually fine. source: i surveyed 1 person

General_Effort,

Take it as a commentary on publication bias.

troyunrau, in Probability.... Need I say more?!
@troyunrau@lemmy.ca avatar

Missing: any sort of physicist who will tell them both that the forward model says that the sun won’t explode for a few billion years, and so far that model hasn’t been wrong.

Moghul,

Isn’t our sun too small to explode at all? IIRC the sun will expand enough to engulf the earth’s orbit but will eventually shrink to a dwarf.

troyunrau, (edited )
@troyunrau@lemmy.ca avatar

Too small to supernova and black hole, yes. But large enough to have a decent boom. Probably at least red giant, then a nova (explosion casting off outer layers) leaving a white dwarf remnant.

If I’m around by then, my model of medical science progress is wrong ;)

E: I’m wrong. That casting off of the outer gas envelope is not a nova. It’s just a death throe of some sort.

Moghul,

Thanks for the update bro!

Neato, (edited )
@Neato@kbin.social avatar

Minor correction: in a few billion years our sun will expand into its red giant death phase.

Also: our star can't go nova by our understanding of astrophysics. If it actually can, then we might need to throw out a lot of astrophysics, including predictions on when our star will expand.

Also also: the odds of the dice giving double 6s is MUCH higher than our sun going nova at any point in time even if it could go nova and was overdue.

IsoSpandy,

I think our sun can go nova. What it can’t do is supernova based on the Chandrashekhar limit

triclops6,

That last part is what the Bayesian scientist is wagering on, it’s not missing, as op suggested

Neato,
@Neato@kbin.social avatar

Ah, gotcha. I tried learning Bayesian probability once and failed utterly. One of the only classes I just barely passed (stat was the other). My brain just barely computes it.

triclops6,

The intuition is exactly your argument:

When the machine says yes it’s either because

(1) the sun went nova (vanishingly small chance) and machine rolled truth (prob 35/36) – the joint probability of this (the product) is near zero

OR

(2) sun didn’t go nova (prob of basically one) and machine rolled lie (prob 1/36) – joint prob near 1/36

Think of joint probability as the total likelihood. It is much more likely we are in scenario 2 because the total likelihood of that event (just under 1/36) is astronomically higher than the alternative (near zero)

I’m skipping stuff but hopefully my words make clear what they math doesn’t always

steveman_ha,

That’s a solid intro! Nice.

JoBo,

That is not missing, it’s the entire fucking point of the cartoon.

DroneRights,

Missing: David Hume

fckreddit, in Probability.... Need I say more?!

I remember inserting this comic in my class paper comparing frequentist and bayesian interpretations of probability during my PhD. Aah, good times.

SirSamuel, in Probability.... Need I say more?!

I understand some of these words

Brb, gotta go eat a crayon

nova_ad_vitum, (edited )

There’s various technicalities of how and where Beyesian statistics apply to the world but I really interpreted it as meaning “if the world is ending then it doesn’t matter and if not then I’m up $50”. The Beyesian is just ruthlessly practical.

kogasa,
@kogasa@programming.dev avatar

That is definitely not the joke. The joke is that the frequentist approach gives you a clearly nonsensical conclusion, because the prior probability of the sun exploding is extremely small.

callyral, (edited )
@callyral@pawb.social avatar

Not only that, but there’s a higher chance of the detector lying than the Sun supernova-ing, so it’s probably a false positive. Yes I did just read some paragraphs from 3–4 Wikipedia articles.

subtext,
SirSamuel,

Thank you, I’ll check it out eventually

BTW they call it Peach but it tastes like candle

originalucifer, in Shame.
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

so chemo is just fevers revenge

Sheeple, (edited )
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

That’s actually exactly how chemo works. It microwaves your cells on a molecular level!

Edit: turns out I confused it with radiation therapy!

ArcticDagger,
OsrsNeedsF2P,

I think they may have been thinking of en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_therapy?

ArcticDagger,

Seeing the edit, yes, but that is also wrong. As the first line of the link says, radiation therapy uses ionizing radiation and not microwaves

It is possible to use microwaves for treating cancer (see www.bmc.org/content/microwave-ablation), but the two aforementioned methods do not use them (with the caveat that both “chemotherapy” and “radiation therapy” are very broad categories)

Sheeple, (edited )
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

I used microwaving as a verb, as in cooking. English can be weird like that but I didn’t mean the literal frequency range. My bad

Nobody, in Shame.

One of us will die, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.

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